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qtr and piezo ink on the epson 7600

2017-04-04 by xian@...

Hi All,

ok im having fun with this 7600.

im printing using print-tool (very helpful app) on osx 10.11.6

print driver managed


with NO CURVES selected i get an acceptable but dark print.

if i use K7-2880-EpEnhancedMatte

i get a very posterized image


im just using a generic office depot matte white paper for testing A4.


what am i doing wrong?


also the damn 7600 is having problems with false "paper out"

messages and starting correctly on the sheet feed paper is the paper sensor on the way out. just needs cleaning? or junk the whole thing?



Re: qtr and piezo ink on the epson 7600

2017-04-04 by richard@...

First, I'm glad you are having fun, but if you want to get serious about this you can not use cheap office paper that has completely different characteristics from papers that were already profiled. There are several factors that go into creating smooth prints from ink sets with more than three gray inks, and simply printing with each supplied curve (or no curve as the case may be) and hoping something will work is just throwing away paper and ink.

First, you could do what Walker said in the other thread and follow the Piezography instructions. Or learn to create custom profiles for your printer. I have tools and instructions that can help you do that (see the link below).

About your printer: not knowing the condition of the inks, or even which inks you're using, it is hard to say what your exact problem is and you won't know for sure unless you remove the variables that are obviously causing some of the problems.

The first step there would be to use a supported paper and quad curve. If you are still having posterization issues you can print an ink separation image and see if there is any obvious problem with positions being out of order or otherwise not printing correctly. From there you can determine if there is a mechanical problem that can be overcome by simply relinearizing an existing curve, having a custom one made for you from master curves, or creating your own curves from scratch.

Hope that helps,
Richard Boutwell

http://www.richardboutwell.com/

Re: qtr and piezo ink on the epson 7600

2017-04-05 by xian@...

thanks for that richard.
as i mentioned with no curve selected im getting a passable but slightly dark image on cheap test paper.
and a way off image using EpEnchancedmatte curve.
im reading my way thru the community edition documentation which is very good, thanks keith,
my simple question is which if any curve in the standard k7 7600 would be suitable for this type of off the shelf inkjet paper. I'll move onto expensive paper when im happy the printer is producing half way decent images on regular paper. makes sense to me.

im using the piezo inks shades 1,6,2,4,3,5,7 as listed in the manual for matte paper on the inkjetmall site. (but does not agree with the 7600 matte positions in the community manual. fun fun!!)
the ink spiration print test sounds sensible and will figure out how to do that. i would think a nozzle check would be similar simple way to check ink flow.

ill check out your link when i get ready to profile some custom papers that warrant it.

cheers

ps is there a 7600 piezo forum ?? to discuss hardware issues also?



Re: qtr and piezo ink on the epson 7600

2017-04-06 by jon@...

The ink positions for the 7600 on the InkjetMall site and the Community Manual should coincide in the same way that they do for all K7 ink sets, namely that:

black position=shade 1
cyan position=shade 2
lt cyan position =shade 3
magenta position =shade 4
lt magenta position =shade 5
lt black position =shade 6
yellow position =shade 7

This is standard K7 ink shade placement in all 7 channel printers. And it carries over into all 8 ink channel printers with LLK becoming a GO channel or not used and is filled with PiezoFlush.

There are other ink sets besides K7 that have different shade positions. But, K7 shade placement is always the same.

If your inks are not in these positions, they will posterize with K7 curves. If your inks are not fresh, or if they have been sitting in the printer for longer than 6 months without use, you will get posterization with K7 curves. If you have misfiled ink cartridges so that they are partially correct and partially incorrect, you will get posterization with K7 curves.

When the 7600 was in active development, the base curve was Hanhemuhle Photo Rag. So, it is the first choice for using. Enhanced Matte would be second choice. As Richard points out, using something approximate for something that is very exacting is not necessarily the best thing to do. We certainly did not make any curves for cheap off shelf papers.

However, because you mentioned that you are getting a passible print without selecting a curve, this indicates to me that you may have not installed the K7 PPD. Or if you did, that there may be some corruption in the install. If you are selecting the Enhanced Matte Curve it would only be called "K7-2880-EpEnhancedMatte.quad". What surprises me is that usually not selecting a curve results in an extremely-dark, over-inked print when using the correct Piezography workflow without a curve. If you are not using the correct K7 workflow, it is possible you are getting unintended results.

In any event, the best place for support of Piezography is at Inkjetmall in our technical support forum: http://www.inkjetmall.com/tech We have all kinds of forums there discussing not only Piezography but also hardware.

You will need your customer number to post questions, but you certainly can read it and download the various technical articles. I suggest you register and post and one of us will try and help you.

best regards,

Jon Cone
Piezography


Re: qtr and piezo ink on the epson 7600

2017-05-13 by xian@...

Hi Jon,
thanks very much for your feedback. ill try the piezo forums as you suggest.
your comment on the best base curves is very useful. as is you explanation of the possible causes for the posterization. in fact i think i will post my nozzles check it it doesn't fit the verbal description of it ive been told to expect. so i suspect my cartridges have been mis labeled by previous owner or misfiled (possibly by me as i had to top up the shade 5 after buying a new bottle from you guys.
it's my scottish blood that insists i use cheap papers until. 1 i know what im doing, 2 i get a reasonably decent print. i have just bought some epson archival matte for further testing and yes its printing similar problems and very similar to the cheap papers but obviously with a much better dmax. i am using the EP ENhanced matte curves they don't show as the file names exactly in the mac print qtr dialogue curve box though or im quoting the names in the QTR stand curve list not the full quad file names. so please excuse that confusion. i am indeed using the K7-2880 set of quad files.
the no-curve images are dark. but dont seem posterized. might just be a result of falling into the non ink swapped tone range if indeed inks are swapped. .Ink positions (as carts are labeled) agree with your positioning. how do i print an "ink separation" image as richard suggests. ive not come across that term yet. do ink positions agree with the order in the nozzle check print?
i have used the marrut purge file to try to improve the nozzle checks when one is not performing well. is there a 7600 nozzle check online i can visually check to see if mine matches. as i suspect it a mislabeled cartridge. although as you said the inks are mostly old.
much appreciated.

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