QTR-Quadtone RIP

I finally started using QTR with my 7600. My first attemp using Epson EM and 
Text FineArt with photo black was very acceptable. I know I need MK to really 
get nice blacks. 
I tried to print Epson Premium Luster paper but find no profile for it. I 
used EM and the results were nothing but horrible. 

Is it possible to profile for EPL paper with PK ink in QTR ?
Can I get an add-on profile for this combo ?

I learned that Epson 1800 printer can be used with QTr too. I am planning on 
buying this printer for smaller prints taking advantage of its PK / MK capability. 

If I use QTR with a Premium paper with PK ink, will the printer still spray the 
gloss optimizer ? 

Is it really possible to create a curve using a scanner intead of a 
densitometer? I own an Epson 4870 scanner.
Thanks a lot in advance for your answers
Best
Ed

Oh hell no, don't use PK with QTR on a matte paper use MK.

I know John, I just did it because It is the black installed.
Results weren't bad at all. I just imagine how great it would be with MK.

Can you help on my inquiries? (original post)
Thanks
Ed


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> 
wrote:

>
> Oh hell no, don't use PK with QTR on a matte paper use MK.
>

Hi Ed,

There aren't many photo paper w/ PK profiles.  The old UC inks
have a lot of bronzing which is pretty objectionable.

The R1800 ought to be able to remedy this with the gloss opt.
Putting GL on the prints is a matter of putting it into the profile.

Using a scanner is possible but it's not as accurate as a densitometer
or spectrophotometer.

Roy


On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 01:33  PM, edymagno wrote:

> I finally started using QTR with my 7600. My first attemp using Epson 
> EM and
> Text FineArt with photo black was very acceptable. I know I need MK to 
> really
> get nice blacks.
> I tried to print Epson Premium Luster paper but find no profile for 
> it. I
> used EM and the results were nothing but horrible.
>
> Is it possible to profile for EPL paper with PK ink in QTR ?
> Can I get an add-on profile for this combo ?
>
> I learned that Epson 1800 printer can be used with QTr too. I am 
> planning on
> buying this printer for smaller prints taking advantage of its PK / MK 
> capability.
>
> If I use QTR with a Premium paper with PK ink, will the printer still 
> spray the
> gloss optimizer ?
>
> Is it really possible to create a curve using a scanner intead of a
> densitometer? I own an Epson 4870 scanner.
> Thanks a lot in advance for your answers
> Best
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
-
Roy Harrington
roy@...
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com

Hi Roy
Can you elucidate further re the Gloss Optimiser?
I thought it only laid down in areas which were light or completely
deficient of ink....eg paper white.
What exactly do you mean by 'putting it into the profile' ?

TonyR

On 16/11/2005 04:26:55, Roy Harrington wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> There
> aren't many photo paper w/ PK profiles.  The old UC inks
> have a lot of bronzing which is pretty objectionable.
> 
> The R1800 ought to be able to remedy this with the gloss opt.
> Putting GL on the prints is a matter of putting it into the profile.

Hi Tony,

You are right the idea is to put Gloss in the areas that have no ink.
By  'putting it into the profile' I just meant that you need a curve in the
profile for that ink.  Unlike the other inks you'd probably use a simple
curve using coordinates.  Here's an example:

CURVE_GL="0;60 20;40 50;0 100;0"

On Mac you'd edit this into the ink descriptor, on PC this would go in the
custom curve section.

Roy

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Riley" <listsubs@a...> wrote:

>
> Hi Roy
> Can you elucidate further re the Gloss Optimiser?
> I thought it only laid down in areas which were light or completely
> deficient of ink....eg paper white.
> What exactly do you mean by 'putting it into the profile' ?
> 
> TonyR
> 
> On 16/11/2005 04:26:55, Roy Harrington wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> > 
> > There
> > aren't many photo paper w/ PK profiles.  The old UC inks
> > have a lot of bronzing which is pretty objectionable.
> > 
> > The R1800 ought to be able to remedy this with the gloss opt.
> > Putting GL on the prints is a matter of putting it into the profile.
>

HI ROY, NICE TO MEET YOU.
I OBJECT THE BRONZING TOO, BUT I'D STILL LOVE TO PRINT ON PL WITH 
QTR. IS IT POSSIBLE TO COME UP WITH A PROFILE THAT ACTUALLY 
WORKS ?

THANKS

ED



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@h...> wrote:

>
> Hi Ed,
> 
> There aren't many photo paper w/ PK profiles.  The old UC inks
> have a lot of bronzing which is pretty objectionable.
> 
> The R1800 ought to be able to remedy this with the gloss opt.
> Putting GL on the prints is a matter of putting it into the profile.
> 
> Using a scanner is possible but it's not as accurate as a densitometer
> or spectrophotometer.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 01:33  PM, edymagno wrote:
> 
> > I finally started using QTR with my 7600. My first attemp using Epson 
> > EM and
> > Text FineArt with photo black was very acceptable. I know I need MK to 
> > really
> > get nice blacks.
> > I tried to print Epson Premium Luster paper but find no profile for 
> > it. I
> > used EM and the results were nothing but horrible.
> >
> > Is it possible to profile for EPL paper with PK ink in QTR ?
> > Can I get an add-on profile for this combo ?
> >
> > I learned that Epson 1800 printer can be used with QTr too. I am 
> > planning on
> > buying this printer for smaller prints taking advantage of its PK / MK 
> > capability.
> >
> > If I use QTR with a Premium paper with PK ink, will the printer still 
> > spray the
> > gloss optimizer ?
> >
> > Is it really possible to create a curve using a scanner intead of a
> > densitometer? I own an Epson 4870 scanner.
> > Thanks a lot in advance for your answers
> > Best
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -
> Roy Harrington
> roy@h...
> Black & White Photo Gallery
> http://www.harrington.com
>

Roy,
Clever thing to put gloss like this. However  your directions are non 
understandable to me, because I'm a newbie.
If I finally get the E1800 I will seek your help explaining this thing further.
Best
Ed


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@h...> wrote:

>
> Hi Tony,
> 
> You are right the idea is to put Gloss in the areas that have no ink.
> By  'putting it into the profile' I just meant that you need a curve in the
> profile for that ink.  Unlike the other inks you'd probably use a simple
> curve using coordinates.  Here's an example:
> 
> CURVE_GL="0;60 20;40 50;0 100;0"
> 
> On Mac you'd edit this into the ink descriptor, on PC this would go in the
> custom curve section.
> 
> Roy
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Riley" <listsubs@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roy
> > Can you elucidate further re the Gloss Optimiser?
> > I thought it only laid down in areas which were light or completely
> > deficient of ink....eg paper white.
> > What exactly do you mean by 'putting it into the profile' ?
> > 
> > TonyR
> > 
> > On 16/11/2005 04:26:55, Roy Harrington wrote:
> > > Hi Ed,
> > > 
> > > There
> > > aren't many photo paper w/ PK profiles.  The old UC inks
> > > have a lot of bronzing which is pretty objectionable.
> > > 
> > > The R1800 ought to be able to remedy this with the gloss opt.
> > > Putting GL on the prints is a matter of putting it into the profile.
> >
>