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Re: QTR DATA Tool LAB Question

Re: QTR DATA Tool LAB Question

2018-02-01 by ozwille@sunflower.com

The AB values indicate how far and in what direction the readings deviate from neutral.

The A values are the red/green axis of the Lab color space and the B values are the yellow/blue axis. Positive A is to the red side of neutral and positive B is the yellow side of neutral.

The term “Lab” is a convenient way of referring to the 3 dimensional L*a*b* (pronounced L star, a star, b star) color space.

Since the left Y axis in the chart denotes the luminance axis in L*a*b* color space, it would be more accurate (but perhaps no less confusing) if the left Y axis was labeled L or L* and the right Y axis was labeled ab or a*b*.

So what the chart shows is a cross over in the middle values from warm gray to a cooler gray and then back to a some what warm shadow region.

Hope my answer isn’t too far into the color management weeds.

Oz

Re: QTR DATA Tool LAB Question

2018-02-01 by richard@...

Oz said it best. Based on the a* and b* measurements the paper base is pretty warm, and you are trying to neutralize it with a lot of magenta/cyan. It works well enough in they highlights and midtones, but as the gray inks get darker you are getting back to the warmth of the gray/black inks combined with the warmth of the paper base. Based on our off-thread conversations about wanting a more neutral tone you might want to use a different paper with less of a warm base.

Hope that helps,
Richard Boutwell

http://www.richardboutwell.com/

Re: QTR DATA Tool LAB Question

2018-02-01 by ian@...

Thanks Oz and Richard.

Richard, Would linearizing the curve with your program bring this more inline with neutral or is it to something we have to accept when using non neutral base papers

Re: QTR DATA Tool LAB Question

2018-02-02 by ozwille@sunflower.com

If you use a warm tone paper the lightest tones will always be to the warm side of neutral, no matter how much cyan and magenta you add.

It’s best to start with a paper that is close to the tone you want, at least for the highlight and quarter tone regions.

If you want a true neutral print on baryta type paper you might want to consider Innova Exhibition Photo Baryta 310gsm (old name was IFA-69). The samples I’ve seen are as close to a true neutral as any inkjet paper I’ve seen.

Oz

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