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Scanning question

Scanning question

2018-02-02 by Arthur Romano

I am scanning 35mm Black and White negatives using SIlverfast 8.8 with a
plustek scanner. I have a theoretical question.

 

The first thing I do in my work flow is set the resolution that the optimum
seems to be 3200 ppi at the original negative size.  But SIlverfast seems to
suggest using

300ppi for printing. I am in conflict with this idea for the following
reason; When I open up in photoshop cc  I  do my adjustments and the ppi is
still at 3200 but when I go

To print and raise the paper size to say 11 x 14  or 8 x10 the ppi goes down
with the increase therefore reducing my resolution. That is fine as long as
I start high with the

3200. But if I do  what Silverfast suggests I will be down to  like  72ppi
by the time I get to an 8 x 10. I am printing fine art so that seems counter
productive.

 

 

Am I thinking clear on this one?

 

Art Romano

Re: Scanning question

2018-02-03 by efo@...

Your instinct is correct here: you should be scanning to get as much detail as you reasonably can from your negative. With most dedicated consumer film scanners that should be between in the 3000-5000-ish range.

By the time you get to your final print size, you want around 300 dpi if you can. As it happens, at this density, a 14-inch-wide print would work out to 3000 dpi from a 35mm negative (uncropped).

Silverfast may be assuming that you're printing at the same size you scanned - eg, if Silverfast is driving a flatbed scanner and you want to make a copy of what's on the platen.


Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Scanning question

2018-02-03 by Myron Gochnauer

I'm not sure what Silverfast is showing or suggesting, but unless you have a very specific use or print size in mind, it is generally best to pick a scanning resolution as high as your scanner can actually use and benefit from. (Some software calls this an "archive" or "archival" scan, meaning that you are preserving as much information or detail as you can.) On Nikon and Minolta scanners, that was usually the top optical or hardware resolution for the machine.  With many other machines, especially flatbeds, you gain nothing by going to the top resolution (6400 dpi may show no more detail than, say, 3200 or even 2400).

300dpi is often suggested as good for printing. If that's what you want, your scan has to be fine enough (high enough dpi resolution) that when you 'spread out' the pixels from that tiny 24x36mm negative you end up with at least 300dpi at your intended print size.

Myron

On Feb 2, 2018, at 1:02 PM, 'Arthur Romano' aromanocpa@...<mailto:aromanocpa@...> [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com<mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
I am scanning 35mm Black and White negatives using SIlverfast 8.8 with a plustek scanner. I have a theoretical question.
 The first thing I do in my work flow is set the resolution that the optimum seems to be 3200 ppi at the original negative size.  But SIlverfast seems to suggest using  300ppi for printing. I am in conflict with this idea for the following reason; When I open up in photoshop cc  I  do my adjustments and the ppi is still at 3200 but when I go To print and raise the paper size to say 11 x 14  or 8 x10 the ppi goes down with the increase therefore reducing my resolution. That is fine as long as I start high with the 3200. But if I do  what Silverfast suggests I will be down to  like  72ppi by the time I get to an 8 x 10. I am printing fine art so that seems counter  productive.
 Am I thinking clear on this one?

Art Romano

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Scanning question

2018-02-03 by aromanocpa

Thanks Myron
That is what I thought. It's like stretching out pizza dough. It has to be thick enough at the beginning to hold at the stretch. Yeah I'm italian..lol



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Myron Gochnauer goch@unb.ca [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 2/2/18 7:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: QTR group group <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Scanning question

I'm not sure what Silverfast is showing or suggesting, but unless you have a very specific use or print size in mind, it is generally best to pick a scanning resolution as high as your scanner can actually use and benefit from. (Some software calls this an "archive" or "archival" scan, meaning that you are preserving as much information or detail as you can.) On Nikon and Minolta scanners, that was usually the top optical or hardware resolution for the machine. With many other machines, especially flatbeds, you gain nothing by going to the top resolution (6400 dpi may show no more detail than, say, 3200 or even 2400).


300dpi is often suggested as good for printing. If that's what you want, your scan has to be fine enough (high enough dpi resolution) that when you 'spread out' the pixels from that tiny 24x36mm negative you end up with at least 300dpi at your intended print size.

Myron

On Feb 2, 2018, at 1:02 PM, 'Arthur Romano' aromanocpa@optonline.net [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am scanning 35mm Black and White negatives using SIlverfast 8.8 with a plustek scanner. I have a theoretical question.

The first thing I do in my work flow is set the resolution that the optimum seems to be 3200 ppi at the original negative size. But SIlverfast seems to suggest using 300ppi for printing. I am in conflict with this idea for the following reason; When I open up in photoshop cc I do my adjustments and the ppi is still at 3200 but when I go To print and raise the paper size to say 11 x 14 or 8 x10 the ppi goes down with the increase therefore reducing my resolution. That is fine as long as I start high with the 3200. But if I do what Silverfast suggests I will be down to like 72ppi by the time I get to an 8 x 10. I am printing fine art so that seems counter productive.

Am I thinking clear on this one?

Art Romano




RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Scanning question

2018-02-03 by aromanocpa

Thank you so much!



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-------- Original message --------
From: "efo@pixar.com [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 2/2/18 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Scanning question

Your instinct is correct here: you should be scanning to get as much detail as you reasonably can from your negative. With most dedicated consumer film scanners that should be between in the 3000-5000-ish range.

By the time you get to your final print size, you want around 300 dpi if you can. As it happens, at this density, a 14-inch-wide print would work out to 3000 dpi from a 35mm negative (uncropped).

Silverfast may be assuming that you're printing at the same size you scanned - eg, if Silverfast is driving a flatbed scanner and you want to make a copy of what's on the platen.


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