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2006-01-30 by tflyfish2002
I am wondering if there are any PhotoRag profiles available for the 2200 UC inks? I also notice that most of the included profiles are either warm or cool but no neutral profiles, am I missing something? Bazzer
2006-01-30 by Brent Stovall
----- Original Message -----From: tflyfish2002Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:15 PMSubject: [QuadtoneRIP] Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesI am wondering if there are any PhotoRag profiles available for the
2200 UC inks?
I also notice that most of the included profiles are either warm or
cool but no neutral profiles, am I missing something?
Bazzer
2006-01-30 by KevinG
I can't find the message right now, but within the last few (6 maybe) weeks someone here posted a link to profiles they had made.
> I am wondering if there are any PhotoRag profiles available for the > 2200 UC inks? > I also notice that most of the included profiles are either warm or > cool but no neutral profiles, am I missing something? > > Bazzer > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2006-01-30 by Richard Smallfield
2006-01-31 by edrudolpho
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" <Bazzer@d...> wrote: > > I am wondering if there are any PhotoRag profiles available for the > 2200 UC inks? > I also notice that most of the included profiles are either warm or > cool but no neutral profiles, am I missing something? > > Bazzer > Bazzer, the neutral profile can be derived by combining the warm and cool profiles. That's why there is room for two profiles, with percentage values for each, in the QTR driver. Ed
2006-01-31 by tflyfish2002
I tried that with the EEM and ended up with a very dark print. I will give it another go though. Thanks, Bazzer --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho" <erudolph@p...> wrote: > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" <Bazzer@d...> wrote: > > > > I am wondering if there are any PhotoRag profiles available for the > > 2200 UC inks? > > I also notice that most of the included profiles are either warm or > > cool but no neutral profiles, am I missing something? > > > > Bazzer > > > > Bazzer, the neutral profile can be derived by combining the warm and cool profiles. That's > why there is room for two profiles, with percentage values for each, in the QTR driver.
> > Ed >
2006-01-31 by tflyfish2002
Richard, Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the profiles appear to be in .sit format and being a pc user I don't have the software to unpack the files. Bazzer
2006-01-31 by Raphael Bustin
At 01:00 AM 1/31/2006 +0000, Bazzer wrote: >Richard, > >Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the profiles appear to be in .sit >format and being a pc user I don't have the software to unpack the files. Trial version of Windoze decoder here: <http://www.digitalriver.com/v2.0-img/operations/aladdin2/site/int/stuffit_t.htm> The demo includes the free "expander" which is what you need, I think. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 1/30/2006
2006-01-31 by Richard Smallfield
At 02:00 PM Tuesday 1/31/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the profiles appear to be in .sit >format and being a pc user I don't have the software to unpack the files. I'm PC too - I managed to find appropriate files somewhere there and downloaded them without problems. I'm on a 2100, however, and the print that resulted was too dark. Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com http://photos.smallfield.vze.com "Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed." --Michael Pritchard
2006-01-31 by Timothy Atherton
I posted that link the last time the question was asked here I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work just fine for Photo Rag. And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or warmer tone - anywhere along the scale) tim a
2006-01-31 by tflyfish2002
Thanks for the info. I am downloading a suitable unpack program. I tried with a 50/50 cool/warm profile using EEm, but the result is very dark print. I have Imageprint 5.6 and that works very well on the same image. I have used the default Ink limit and Gamma, surely these setting should give me a fairly good result without having to calibrate etc. Or should I? Bazzer -- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote: > > I posted that link the last time the question was asked here > > I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work > just fine for Photo Rag. > > And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the > cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or
> warmer tone - anywhere along the scale) > > tim a >
2006-01-31 by edrudolpho
Hi again Bazzer..... what setting for print resolution are you using in the driver? Most of the available profiles were created for 1440dpi (or 1440 super). If you are using 2880, try switching to 1440 and make a small test print. Ed --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" <Bazzer@d...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the info. I am downloading a suitable unpack program. > > I tried with a 50/50 cool/warm profile using EEm, but the result is > very dark print. I have Imageprint 5.6 and that works very well on > the same image. I have used the default Ink limit and Gamma, surely > these setting should give me a fairly good result without having to > calibrate etc. Or should I? > > Bazzer > > -- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote: > > > > I posted that link the last time the question was asked here > > > > I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work > > just fine for Photo Rag. > > > > And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance > between the > > cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a > cooler or > > warmer tone - anywhere along the scale) > > > > tim a > > >
2006-01-31 by tflyfish2002
Ed, That seemes to have resolved the problem. I did also turn the Ink Limit down to -8, now I'll have to wait for a while to let the print dry to compare with the test image. Very many thanks to you. Bazzer -- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho" <erudolph@p...> wrote: > > Hi again Bazzer..... what setting for print resolution are you using in the driver? Most of > the available profiles were created for 1440dpi (or 1440 super). If you are using 2880, try > switching to 1440 and make a small test print. > > Ed > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" <Bazzer@d...> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. I am downloading a suitable unpack program. > > > > I tried with a 50/50 cool/warm profile using EEm, but the result is > > very dark print. I have Imageprint 5.6 and that works very well on > > the same image. I have used the default Ink limit and Gamma, surely > > these setting should give me a fairly good result without having to > > calibrate etc. Or should I? > > > > Bazzer > > > > -- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote: > > > > > > I posted that link the last time the question was asked here > > > > > > I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work
> > > just fine for Photo Rag. > > > > > > And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance > > between the > > > cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a > > cooler or > > > warmer tone - anywhere along the scale) > > > > > > tim a > > > > > >
2006-01-31 by edrudolpho
About the neutrality.... from what I've read, I think neutral would be more like 35-45% warm and 65-55% cool. Of course it varies, but try something like 40% warm and 60% cool. --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" <Bazzer@d...> wrote:
> > Ed, > That seemes to have resolved the problem. I did also turn the Ink > Limit down to -8, now I'll have to wait for a while to let the print > dry to compare with the test image. > Very many thanks to you. > > Bazzer > > -- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho" <erudolph@p...> wrote: > > > > Hi again Bazzer..... what setting for print resolution are you using > in the driver? Most of > > the available profiles were created for 1440dpi (or 1440 super). If > you are using 2880, try > > switching to 1440 and make a small test print. > > > > Ed > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tflyfish2002" <Bazzer@d...> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the info. I am downloading a suitable unpack program. > > > > > > I tried with a 50/50 cool/warm profile using EEm, but the result is > > > very dark print. I have Imageprint 5.6 and that works very well on > > > the same image. I have used the default Ink limit and Gamma, surely > > > these setting should give me a fairly good result without having to > > > calibrate etc. Or should I? > > > > > > Bazzer > > > > > > -- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@K...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I posted that link the last time the question was asked here > > > > > > > > I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and > they work > > > > just fine for Photo Rag. > > > > > > > > And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance > > > between the > > > > cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a > > > cooler or > > > > warmer tone - anywhere along the scale) > > > > > > > > tim a > > > > > > > > > >
2006-01-31 by None
I posted a question on this 2 days ago. this is the recommended method but when I do this I get prints with tones bunched up. That is the gray ramp is not smooth even though the gray ramp for both warm and cool curves is very smooth and linear. Does anyone else see this? How do you linearized blended curves? Scott --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote: > > I posted that link the last time the question was asked here > > I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work > just fine for Photo Rag. > > And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the > cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or
> warmer tone - anywhere along the scale) > > tim a >
2006-01-31 by Brent Stovall
From: Timothy AthertonSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:44 PMSubject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesI posted that link the last time the question was asked here
I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work
just fine for Photo Rag.
And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the
cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or
warmer tone - anywhere along the scale)
tim a
2006-02-04 by Diane Fields
----- Original Message -----From: tflyfish2002Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:00 PMSubject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesRichard,
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the profiles appear to be in .sit
format and being a pc user I don't have the software to unpack the files.
Bazzer
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2006-02-04 by Diane Fields
----- Original Message -----From: Timothy AthertonSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 PMSubject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesI posted that link the last time the question was asked here
I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work
just fine for Photo Rag.
And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the
cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or
warmer tone - anywhere along the scale)
tim a
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2006-02-04 by Timothy Atherton
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From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Diane Fields
Sent: February 4, 2006 6:43 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesTim, would you mind posting the link again. I copied and pasted it twice (since the link wasn't 'linkable' as received) and I got a message stating that there were no file sharing pages.Thank you,----- Original Message -----From: Timothy AthertonSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 PMSubject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesI posted that link the last time the question was asked here
I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work
just fine for Photo Rag.
And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the
cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or
warmer tone - anywhere along the scale)
tim a
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2006-02-04 by Diane Fields
----- Original Message -----From: Timothy AthertonSent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:23 AMSubject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesuse the link at the very bottom of this page:-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Diane Fields
Sent: February 4, 2006 6:43 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesTim, would you mind posting the link again. I copied and pasted it twice (since the link wasn't 'linkable' as received) and I got a message stating that there were no file sharing pages.Thank you,----- Original Message -----From: Timothy AthertonSent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 PMSubject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Hahnemule PhotoRag profilesI posted that link the last time the question was asked here
I'm on Win - but I have downloaded and used those profiles and they work
just fine for Photo Rag.
And yes, you are missing something. in QTR you vary the balance between the
cool and warm profiles to get a neutral you are happy with (or a cooler or
warmer tone - anywhere along the scale)
tim a
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2006-02-05 by Doug Walker
Can someone confirm whether one must 'convert to Grayscale' before using QuadToneRIP or can one print an RGB image out of PSCS2 after adjusting the image using Channel Mixer? Doug Walker, FP "Specializing in Corporate People in their Workplaces in a Clean, Bold Classic Style!" website: http://www.walkerphoto.com Phone (360) 943-1293 Olympia, WA member- American Society of Media Photographers, Inc. (ASMP) member-Professional Photographers of Washington (PPW)
2006-02-05 by Alan Kearney
I print RGB's straight to my Epson 4000 with QuadtoneRIP and they look great! Alan
On Feb 5, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Doug Walker wrote: > Can someone confirm whether one must 'convert to Grayscale' before > using QuadToneRIP or can one print an RGB image out of PSCS2 after > adjusting the image using Channel Mixer? > > Doug Walker, FP > "Specializing in Corporate People in their Workplaces in a Clean, > Bold Classic Style!" > website: http://www.walkerphoto.com > Phone (360) 943-1293 > Olympia, WA > member- American Society of Media Photographers, Inc. (ASMP) > member-Professional Photographers of Washington (PPW) > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital wedding photography Learn digital photography Digital > photography college > Digital photography Digital photography web site Digital > photography course > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
2006-02-05 by Doug Walker
Thanks Alan. I guess my pondering came upon seeing in Uwe Steinmueller review of Roy Harrington's QuadTone RIP where the steps which included a Greyscale image in Print with Preview with a source Grayscale 2.2, not an RGB. So it does not matter? RGB or Grayscale? Is one better than tother? Doug Walker, FP "Specializing in Corporate People in their Workplaces in a Clean, Bold Classic Style!" website: http://www.walkerphoto.com Phone (360) 943-1293 Olympia, WA member- American Society of Media Photographers, Inc. (ASMP) member-Professional Photographers of Washington (PPW)
On Feb 5, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Alan Kearney wrote: > I print RGB's straight to my Epson 4000 with QuadtoneRIP and they > look great! > > Alan
2006-02-06 by Roy Harrington
You can print an RGB file directly. It gives a default conversion to grayscale. So I would use the Channel Mixer to get a better conversion but you may leave the monochrome image in RGB for printing. Roy On Sunday, February 5, 2006, at 08:07 AM, Doug Walker wrote: > Can someone confirm whether one must 'convert to Grayscale' before > using QuadToneRIP or can one print an RGB image out of PSCS2 after > adjusting the image using Channel Mixer? > > Doug Walker, FP > "Specializing in Corporate People in their Workplaces in a Clean, > Bold Classic Style!" > website: http://www.walkerphoto.com > Phone (360) 943-1293 > Olympia, WA > member- American Society of Media Photographers, Inc. (ASMP) > member-Professional Photographers of Washington (PPW) > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > - Roy Harrington roy@... Black & White Photo Gallery http://www.harrington.com
2006-02-06 by Alan Kearney
Doug, I'm no expert but I think it does matter and that there is more image information left in an RGB image than a Gray Scale. That's how it was explained to me in a community college Photoshop class and that how I've been doing it, with great results. Alan
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Doug Walker wrote: > Thanks Alan. > > I guess my pondering came upon seeing in Uwe Steinmueller review of > Roy Harrington's QuadTone RIP where the steps which included a > Greyscale image in Print with Preview with a source Grayscale 2.2, > not an RGB. > > So it does not matter? RGB or Grayscale? Is one better than tother? > > Doug Walker, FP > "Specializing in Corporate People in their Workplaces in a Clean, > Bold Classic Style!" > website: http://www.walkerphoto.com > Phone (360) 943-1293 > Olympia, WA > member- American Society of Media Photographers, Inc. (ASMP) > member-Professional Photographers of Washington (PPW) > > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Alan Kearney wrote: > > > I print RGB's straight to my Epson 4000 with QuadtoneRIP and they > > look great! > > > > Alan > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital wedding photography Learn digital photography Digital > photography college > Digital photography Digital photography web site Digital > photography course > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
2006-02-06 by Doug Walker
My understanding as well. Just confirming as I have no experience with QTR and saw Greyscale in a tutorial. Had to ask. Thanks, Doug Walker, FP "Specializing in Images of the Built Environment in a Clean, Bold Classic Style!" website: http://www.walkerphoto.com Member, ASMP, PPW
On Feb 6, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Alan Kearney wrote: > Doug, I'm no expert but I think it does matter and that there is more > image information left in an RGB image than a Gray Scale. That's how > it was explained to me in a community college Photoshop class and > that how I've been doing it, with great results.
2006-02-06 by Roy Harrington
If you shoot the picture in color there's certainly some benefit in retaining that color info in Photoshop. But the actual input to QTR is always grayscale. If you send a color image a conversion to grayscale is done automatically using a simple default conversion. I think in general you'd benefit by controlling that color-to-gray conversion using Channel Mixer or other techniques. If you do that, you get an RGB file that is gray i.e. R=G=B. This contains no more information than a grayscale image. It will be identical data but three times the size. The print result will be identical. Whether or not you explicitly convert or not is just a matter of convenience. Roy --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Alan Kearney <akearney@...> wrote:
> > Doug, I'm no expert but I think it does matter and that there is more > image information left in an RGB image than a Gray Scale. That's how > it was explained to me in a community college Photoshop class and > that how I've been doing it, with great results. > > Alan > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Doug Walker wrote: > > > Thanks Alan. > > > > I guess my pondering came upon seeing in Uwe Steinmueller review of > > Roy Harrington's QuadTone RIP where the steps which included a > > Greyscale image in Print with Preview with a source Grayscale 2.2, > > not an RGB. > > > > So it does not matter? RGB or Grayscale? Is one better than tother? > > > > Doug Walker, FP > > "Specializing in Corporate People in their Workplaces in a Clean, > > Bold Classic Style!" > > website: http://www.walkerphoto.com > > Phone (360) 943-1293 > > Olympia, WA > > member- American Society of Media Photographers, Inc. (ASMP) > > member-Professional Photographers of Washington (PPW) > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Alan Kearney wrote: > > > > > I print RGB's straight to my Epson 4000 with QuadtoneRIP and they > > > look great! > > > > > > Alan > >
2006-02-06 by Diane Fields
----- Original Message -----From: Roy HarringtonSent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:18 PMSubject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Convert to Grayscale vs Channel Mixer
If you shoot the picture in color there's certainly some benefit in retaining that
color info in Photoshop. But the actual input to QTR is always grayscale. If you send
a color image a conversion to grayscale is done automatically using a simple default
conversion. I think in general you'd benefit by controlling that color-to-gray
conversion using Channel Mixer or other techniques. If you do that, you get an RGB
file that is gray i.e. R=G=B. This contains no more information than a grayscale image.
It will be identical data but three times the size. The print result will be identical.
Whether or not you explicitly convert or not is just a matter of convenience.
Roy
2006-02-09 by Roy Harrington
Hi Diane, You remember correctly. Converting to the Gray Matte Paper or Gray Photo Paper is still probably the usual workflow. What has been added since that time is the capability to make custom ICC printing profiles in addition to the generic ones above. There will take into account all the nuances of your particular printer/ink/paper. They also provide full soft-proofing including the hue of the print. Naturally you would need to have a measuring device to take advantage of this new tool. Roy On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 01:44 PM, Diane Fields wrote: > Roy, I was printing with an earlier version of QTR last Spring when I > bought it and then did not do much b/w printing for awhile. I also > unsubbed to this mail list so think I missed some things. > > As I recalled, the workflow for best prints was to process 'however' > (I use a variety of ways), but to convert to a grayscale profile > before printing. Has that all gone by the boards with the new > version? Or--do I not remember the workflow correctly? (always > possible LOL). I have 3 QTR profiles--lab, matte and photo paper. > Are these obsolete--or do I need to review the conversion/printing > process? > > > Thanks, > Diane > ----------- > Diane B. Fields > picnic@... > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roy Harrington > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:18 PM > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Convert to Grayscale vs Channel Mixer > > > If you shoot the picture in color there's certainly some benefit in > retaining that > color info in Photoshop. But the actual input to QTR is always > grayscale. If you send > a color image a conversion to grayscale is done automatically using a > simple default > conversion. I think in general you'd benefit by controlling that > color-to-gray > conversion using Channel Mixer or other techniques. If you do that, > you get an RGB > file that is gray i.e. R=G=B. This contains no more information than > a grayscale image. > It will be identical data but three times the size. The print result > will be identical. > Whether or not you explicitly convert or not is just a matter of > convenience. > > Roy > > - Roy Harrington roy@... Black & White Photo Gallery http://www.harrington.com