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Posterization, solarization K6 ink set...

Posterization, solarization K6 ink set...

2006-02-27 by jimk_clgy_ab

Dear Group,

I am trying to print an image with QTR, an Epson 7000 and K6 inks, and the test image is 
failing miserably...

That said, and referencing the calibration notes in the QTR documentation, previous 
postings indicate that the possible cause of this posterization or solarization issue could 
be a set of K6 inks, which might be mislabeled and, or physically placed in the wrong 
position.

Since I am new to this arena, what does one look for in the printed ink separation file, to 
determine if there is an incorrectly placed cartidge and, or incorrect ink within the 
cartidge?

Are there specific characteristics in the printout that can quickly identify the issue and, or 
incorrect placement of an ink cartidge?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.


jim k

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Posterization, solarization K6 ink set...

2006-02-27 by Jim

Jim,

It is probably the ink.  IJM will replace it for free.
 On my K6 set for the 7500, the three bands between 40
and 60%K were identical.

Jim Hockings

--- jimk_clgy_ab <jim.kitchen@...> wrote:

> Dear Group,
> 
> I am trying to print an image with QTR, an Epson
> 7000 and K6 inks, and the test image is 
> failing miserably...
> 
> That said, and referencing the calibration notes in
> the QTR documentation, previous 
> postings indicate that the possible cause of this
> posterization or solarization issue could 
> be a set of K6 inks, which might be mislabeled and,
> or physically placed in the wrong 
> position.
> 
> Since I am new to this arena, what does one look for
> in the printed ink separation file, to 
> determine if there is an incorrectly placed cartidge
> and, or incorrect ink within the 
> cartidge?
> 
> Are there specific characteristics in the printout
> that can quickly identify the issue and, or 
> incorrect placement of an ink cartidge?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your assistance.
> 
> 
> jim k
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Posterization, solarization K6 ink set...

2006-02-28 by john dean

Jim,

Hang in there I am using this set in my 7000 and they are the most
beautiful monochrome inks I've ever seen in every regard. They turn
this old workhorse into something really fantastic, and I've tried
them all. And, these don't clog.

When I first loaded K6 I had the problem a number of folks had with
the Magenta cart having the wrong dilution in it. The old lot number
had a serial number like - NEU-109-060-M, that is wrong, if you have
that lot number call them and they will send you the correct Magenta
dilution. They were misfilled at the factory I belive. The problem was
in the ability to use the same carts in different machines or
whatever. For all future shipments they will make these carts only fit
the correct slot in the K6 configuration. 

The correct M cart should read - NEU-109-100-M. If you have this M you
are ok in that regard.

I also had some confusion about which slot to put these things in
since they would fit many machines and the color coding can be
confusing if you are not paying attention. But, the info on their
website has always been correct.

Check you configuration. For the 7000 it should read:

Black Slot - shade 1
Cyan Slot-shade 2
Magenta Slot- shade 5
Light Cyan Slot - shade 3
Light Magent Slot - shade 6
Yellow Slot - Shade 4

Now if all this is set correctly and you are SURE that all of your
lines and heads have enought PURE ink in them, after the initial fill
to function properly then you might want to look at your curves.

You might try one  thing before you do a custom linearization with QTR
ICC create. Try printing using the K6 Raw curve settting instead of a
premade paper curve.This prints a "non-linearized" output from QTR.
Also remember with this QTR configuration you need to use Photo Matte
paper as the greyscale output profile, not GG 2.2 as with other inksets.

Now that I have mine working with custom curves made for QTR I've
never seen anything so nice and easy. Great blacks, fantastic high
values and very smooth midtones, always perfect print color. I want a
bigger printer to put them in.

John



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Jim <joffbroadway@...> wrote:
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>
> Jim,
> 
> It is probably the ink.  IJM will replace it for free.
>  On my K6 set for the 7500, the three bands between 40
> and 60%K were identical.
> 
> Jim Hockings
> 
> --- jimk_clgy_ab <jim.kitchen@...> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Group,
> > 
> > I am trying to print an image with QTR, an Epson
> > 7000 and K6 inks, and the test image is 
> > failing miserably...
> > 
> > That said, and referencing the calibration notes in
> > the QTR documentation, previous 
> > postings indicate that the possible cause of this
> > posterization or solarization issue could 
> > be a set of K6 inks, which might be mislabeled and,
> > or physically placed in the wrong 
> > position.
> > 
> > Since I am new to this arena, what does one look for
> > in the printed ink separation file, to 
> > determine if there is an incorrectly placed cartidge
> > and, or incorrect ink within the 
> > cartidge?
> > 
> > Are there specific characteristics in the printout
> > that can quickly identify the issue and, or 
> > incorrect placement of an ink cartidge?
> > 
> > Thank you in advance for your assistance.
> > 
> > 
> > jim k
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Posterization, solarization K6 ink set...

2006-03-01 by jim kitchen

Dear John, Jim, and Group,

Thank you for the information...

Today was a bust, since the local print house is trying to acquire
some Hahnemuhle 308 from Ink Jet Mall (IJM), and the corrected
inks. They must wait a few days for this material to arrive.

We are benched until that happens.

IJM indicated to the local print house, that they are required to
communicate through emails only, since their efforts need to be
recorded in this manner, with regards to the exchanged ink sets
and issues of this nature.

The local print house sent the required information off to IJM, along
with a sample of the posterization issue. For the moment, I do not
remember the coding on the cartridges, but your information John,
regarding the proper cartridge order will certainly help us shortly.

Jim, I believe the Magenta and light magenta were the identical
in densities and tone, when the local print house printed QTR\u2019s ink
separation file.

I am patiently waiting for this portion of the learning curve to be
behind me...

Thank you all, again.

jim k



On 2/27/06 6:48 PM, "john dean" wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text
Jim,

Hang in there I am using this set in my 7000 and they are the most
beautiful monochrome inks I've ever seen in every regard. They turn
this old workhorse into something really fantastic, and I've tried
them all. And, these don't clog.

When I first loaded K6 I had the problem a number of folks had with
the Magenta cart having the wrong dilution in it. The old lot number
had a serial number like - NEU-109-060-M, that is wrong, if you have
that lot number call them and they will send you the correct Magenta
dilution. They were misfilled at the factory I belive. The problem was
in the ability to use the same carts in different machines or
whatever. For all future shipments they will make these carts only fit
the correct slot in the K6 configuration.

The correct M cart should read - NEU-109-100-M. If you have this M you
are ok in that regard.

I also had some confusion about which slot to put these things in
since they would fit many machines and the color coding can be
confusing if you are not paying attention. But, the info on their
website has always been correct.

Check you configuration. For the 7000 it should read:

Black Slot - shade 1
Cyan Slot-shade 2
Magenta Slot- shade 5
Light Cyan Slot - shade 3
Light Magent Slot - shade 6
Yellow Slot - Shade 4

Now if all this is set correctly and you are SURE that all of your
lines and heads have enought PURE ink in them, after the initial fill
to function properly then you might want to look at your curves.

You might try one thing before you do a custom linearization with QTR
ICC create. Try printing using the K6 Raw curve settting instead of a
premade paper curve.This prints a "non-linearized" output from QTR.
Also remember with this QTR configuration you need to use Photo Matte
paper as the greyscale output profile, not GG 2.2 as with other inksets.

Now that I have mine working with custom curves made for QTR I've
never seen anything so nice and easy. Great blacks, fantastic high
values and very smooth midtones, always perfect print color. I want a
bigger printer to put them in.

John



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Jim wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> It is probably the ink. IJM will replace it for free.
> On my K6 set for the 7500, the three bands between 40
> and 60%K were identical.
>
> Jim Hockings
>
> --- jimk_clgy_ab wrote:
>
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > I am trying to print an image with QTR, an Epson
> > 7000 and K6 inks, and the test image is
> > failing miserably...
> >
> > That said, and referencing the calibration notes in
> > the QTR documentation, previous
> > postings indicate that the possible cause of this
> >; posterization or solarization issue could
> > be a set of K6 inks, which might be mislabeled and,
> > or physically placed in the wrong
> > position.
> >
> > Since I am new to this arena, what does one look for
> > in the printed ink separation file, to
> > determine if there is an incorrectly placed cartidge
> > and, or incorrect ink within the
> > cartidge?
> >
> > Are there specific characteristics in the printout
> > that can quickly identify the issue and, or
> > incorrect placement of an ink cartidge?
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your assistance.
> >
> >;
> > jim k
> >
> >
> >
>; >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Posterization, solarization K6 ink set...

2006-03-02 by jim kitchen

Dear Group,

As a follow up...

Ink Jet Mall were extremely helpful to the local print house, and
they indicated the installed \u201coriginal Cone six ink set,\u201d would only
work with \u201cBW Pro.\u201d

IJM also indicated the original Cone ink cartridges would not be
recognized by QTR. The technician from IJM was surprised that
a print emerged from the printer with QTR, and this set of ink
cartridges.

That said, new K6 ink cartridges designed to work with QTR,
are on order.

Thank you again,

jim k

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