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OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by djon43

We've just seen lots of chatter about CIS but I don't think anybody
said they'd used or even heard of a genuinely good one.

Is any CIS worth the effort? Which one? Ink and my time are both
expensive: it  seems a mistake to try to save $100 by buying a
mediocre CIS.

Any direct experience with Cone's CIS? Looks well done and Cone writes
surprisingly intelligently for a technical person.

What about the MIS CIS? MIS proved incapable of cartridge quality
control, so I'm hesitant to buy that CIS...but I do want to use Eboni.
Any hands-on experience with that CIS?

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by Paul Roark

>... Is any CIS worth the effort? 

I don't know, but 2 cheap SuperJetUSA units have been working well for a
number of months for me.  The one on my 2200 does have an air gap in one
ling, but even though I'm not using it much any more, it pumps out flawless
nozzle checks every time I do check it (Carbon-6 inkset).  This 2200 is
basically a test of what happens to this inkset and a CIS long term, and so
far, so good. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by Jim Coffee

I've used MIS CISs on 1280 and now on an 1800.Perfect experience each time.
Good gear.

With best regards

-Jim Coffee-





On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 21:00, djon43 <djon43@...> wrote:

>   We've just seen lots of chatter about CIS but I don't think anybody
> said they'd used or even heard of a genuinely good one.
>
> Is any CIS worth the effort? Which one? Ink and my time are both
> expensive: it seems a mistake to try to save $100 by buying a
> mediocre CIS.
>
> Any direct experience with Cone's CIS? Looks well done and Cone writes
> surprisingly intelligently for a technical person.
>
> What about the MIS CIS? MIS proved incapable of cartridge quality
> control, so I'm hesitant to buy that CIS...but I do want to use Eboni.
> Any hands-on experience with that CIS?
>
>  
>


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Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by the_des_bois

I had an InkjetFly Small Foot CIS loaded with 3 Eboni Channels and 5
clear base channels for months and never had any issue. That is also
with leaving the printer off and not printing for 2-3 weeks.

Then I decided to flush the CIS, clean it completely and fill it with
MIS color pigments for the R1800.

After 2 weeks of non use, all nozzle check patterns where missing many
lines.

Removed the CIS and loaded MIS carts - 3 Eboni and 5 clear base. It
took many cleaning cycles and an overnight stay of the printhead on
the parking pad filled with window cleaner to finally remove the clogs.

I suspect the type of ink might play a part. The binders in the Eboni
are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role.

I'm done with color on the R1800 unless I buy genuine carts.

I'll flush the CIS again and bring it back to 3 Eboni abd 5 clear base
channels! :-)

Just my experience.

Denis

>
> >... Is any CIS worth the effort? 
> 
> I don't know, but 2 cheap SuperJetUSA units have been working well for a
> number of months for me.  The one on my 2200 does have an air gap in one
> ling, but even though I'm not using it much any more, it pumps out
flawless
> nozzle checks every time I do check it (Carbon-6 inkset).  This 2200 is
> basically a test of what happens to this inkset and a CIS long term,
and so
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> far, so good. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by magickPal

"The binders in the Eboni
are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role."

I'm curious how it is known that the Eboni inks have "binders of a lesser quality",  what the two binders are and in fact how they would play a role.  Are you saying that this is done in order to make the ink at a lower price, and one is chemically good and the other responsible for your clogs?  I would like to know more.


David Pal
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: the_des_bois 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:40 AM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?


  I had an InkjetFly Small Foot CIS loaded with 3 Eboni Channels and 5
  clear base channels for months and never had any issue. That is also
  with leaving the printer off and not printing for 2-3 weeks.

  Then I decided to flush the CIS, clean it completely and fill it with
  MIS color pigments for the R1800.

  After 2 weeks of non use, all nozzle check patterns where missing many
  lines.

  Removed the CIS and loaded MIS carts - 3 Eboni and 5 clear base. It
  took many cleaning cycles and an overnight stay of the printhead on
  the parking pad filled with window cleaner to finally remove the clogs.

  I suspect the type of ink might play a part. The binders in the Eboni
  are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role.

  I'm done with color on the R1800 unless I buy genuine carts.

  I'll flush the CIS again and bring it back to 3 Eboni abd 5 clear base
  channels! :-)

  Just my experience.

  Denis

  >
  > >... Is any CIS worth the effort? 
  > 
  > I don't know, but 2 cheap SuperJetUSA units have been working well for a
  > number of months for me. The one on my 2200 does have an air gap in one
  > ling, but even though I'm not using it much any more, it pumps out
  flawless
  > nozzle checks every time I do check it (Carbon-6 inkset). This 2200 is
  > basically a test of what happens to this inkset and a CIS long term,
  and so
  > far, so good. 
  > 
  > Paul
  > www.PaulRoark.com
  >



   

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Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by the_des_bois

Hi David,

Quantity, not quality. :-)

Paul R. has written about this in earlier posts.

The ink is very high quality. I've just read Paul's comments on Eboni
requiring less binders so I deducted it might cause less clogs.

Denis

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "magickPal" <magick246@...> wrote:
>
> "The binders in the Eboni
> are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role."
> 
> I'm curious how it is known that the Eboni inks have "binders of a
lesser quality",  what the two binders are and in fact how they would
play a role.  Are you saying that this is done in order to make the
ink at a lower price, and one is chemically good and the other
responsible for your clogs?  I would like to know more.
> 
> 
> David Pal
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: the_des_bois 
>   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:40 AM
>   Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?
> 
> 
>   I had an InkjetFly Small Foot CIS loaded with 3 Eboni Channels and 5
>   clear base channels for months and never had any issue. That is also
>   with leaving the printer off and not printing for 2-3 weeks.
> 
>   Then I decided to flush the CIS, clean it completely and fill it with
>   MIS color pigments for the R1800.
> 
>   After 2 weeks of non use, all nozzle check patterns where missing many
>   lines.
> 
>   Removed the CIS and loaded MIS carts - 3 Eboni and 5 clear base. It
>   took many cleaning cycles and an overnight stay of the printhead on
>   the parking pad filled with window cleaner to finally remove the
clogs.
> 
>   I suspect the type of ink might play a part. The binders in the Eboni
>   are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role.
> 
>   I'm done with color on the R1800 unless I buy genuine carts.
> 
>   I'll flush the CIS again and bring it back to 3 Eboni abd 5 clear base
>   channels! :-)
> 
>   Just my experience.
> 
>   Denis
> 
>   >
>   > >... Is any CIS worth the effort? 
>   > 
>   > I don't know, but 2 cheap SuperJetUSA units have been working
well for a
>   > number of months for me. The one on my 2200 does have an air gap
in one
>   > ling, but even though I'm not using it much any more, it pumps out
>   flawless
>   > nozzle checks every time I do check it (Carbon-6 inkset). This
2200 is
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>   > basically a test of what happens to this inkset and a CIS long term,
>   and so
>   > far, so good. 
>   > 
>   > Paul
>   > www.PaulRoark.com
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by magickPal

Thanks, Denis.    
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  From: the_des_bois 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:35 AM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?



  Hi David,

  Quantity, not quality. :-)

  Paul R. has written about this in earlier posts.

  The ink is very high quality. I've just read Paul's comments on Eboni
  requiring less binders so I deducted it might cause less clogs.

  Denis

  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "magickPal" <magick246@...> wrote:
  >
  > "The binders in the Eboni
  > are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role."
  > 
  > I'm curious how it is known that the Eboni inks have "binders of a
  lesser quality", what the two binders are and in fact how they would
  play a role. Are you saying that this is done in order to make the
  ink at a lower price, and one is chemically good and the other
  responsible for your clogs? I would like to know more.
  > 
  > 
  > David Pal
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: the_des_bois 
  > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:40 AM
  > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?
  > 
  > 
  > I had an InkjetFly Small Foot CIS loaded with 3 Eboni Channels and 5
  > clear base channels for months and never had any issue. That is also
  > with leaving the printer off and not printing for 2-3 weeks.
  > 
  > Then I decided to flush the CIS, clean it completely and fill it with
  > MIS color pigments for the R1800.
  > 
  > After 2 weeks of non use, all nozzle check patterns where missing many
  > lines.
  > 
  > Removed the CIS and loaded MIS carts - 3 Eboni and 5 clear base. It
  > took many cleaning cycles and an overnight stay of the printhead on
  > the parking pad filled with window cleaner to finally remove the
  clogs.
  > 
  > I suspect the type of ink might play a part. The binders in the Eboni
  > are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role.
  > 
  > I'm done with color on the R1800 unless I buy genuine carts.
  > 
  > I'll flush the CIS again and bring it back to 3 Eboni abd 5 clear base
  > channels! :-)
  > 
  > Just my experience.
  > 
  > Denis
  > 
  > >
  > > >... Is any CIS worth the effort? 
  > > 
  > > I don't know, but 2 cheap SuperJetUSA units have been working
  well for a
  > > number of months for me. The one on my 2200 does have an air gap
  in one
  > > ling, but even though I'm not using it much any more, it pumps out
  > flawless
  > > nozzle checks every time I do check it (Carbon-6 inkset). This
  2200 is
  > > basically a test of what happens to this inkset and a CIS long term,
  > and so
  > > far, so good. 
  > > 
  > > Paul
  > > www.PaulRoark.com
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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  >



   

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Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-02 by djon43

Thanks Jim...and I know your fine prints :-)

I'll go back and look at them. Which inkset/s?

What, no clogs? Where's the fun in that?


John


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Coffee" <groups@...> wrote:
>
> I've used MIS CISs on 1280 and now on an 1800.Perfect experience
each time.
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> Good gear.
> 
> With best regards
> 
> -Jim Coffee-
> 
>

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-03 by Paul Roark

Denis wrote, in part:

>I had an InkjetFly Small Foot CIS loaded with 3 Eboni Channels 
>and 5 clear base channels for months and never had any issue. 
>That is also with leaving the printer off and not printing for
> 2-3 weeks.

>Then I decided to flush the CIS, clean it completely and 
>fill it with MIS color pigments for the R1800.

>After 2 weeks of non use, all nozzle check patterns where 
> missing many lines.
> ...
>I suspect the type of ink might play a part. The binders in 
>the Eboni are of a lesser quantity and it must play a role.
>...

I've seen the same pattern -- color pigments designed to stick onto glossy
paper seem more prone to clogging than matte paper only pigments.

Carbon-6 actually started as a project to make a "workable" carbon inkset
for watercolor painters -- but it failed.  Even with no binder at all in the
Carbon-6 base, the carbon pigment would barely move at all with a wet brush.
It simply takes almost no binder to make these carbon pigments stick on
matte paper. 

I set up a CIS with a C88+ for my daughter to take away to her college dorm
room.  Reliability was paramount.  At first I had Eboni and 3 colors in the
CIS.  The 3 colors clogged when left un-used for a few weeks.  The Eboni did
not.  I removed the color pigments and put Carbon 13.5% in the color spots.
The printer no longer clogs even when left for weeks.

I've seen the same basic pattern enough to be convinced.  While 100% Eboni
will clog, it typically seems to do so significantly less than the color
pigments or PK I've used.  When diluted with either the MIS base in Eboni-6
or with the no-binder base of Carbon-6, I've seen almost no clogging of the
dilute inks in any of the 4 printers I have loaded with these mixes.  

You can actually feel the difference in the amount of binder when you rub
the dilution base between your fingers.  The glossy base is slightly sticky
-- not so the matte only bases I have.  The amount of binder and the pigment
load of an ink seem to be 2 important factors in clogging.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-04 by Paul Roark

>... Is any CIS worth the effort? 

I was curious about the air that gets into tubing.  Is it from leaking
connections, air actually getting through the tubing, or some other cause?
So, I asked MIS (Zeiss).  His response, below, may be helpful to us.

(My short version is:  Keep the tubing and bottles in the dark, and don't
allow air pockets to form by using the printer often -- even if just turning
it on and off.  This might stop algae growth, which appears to MIS to often
be the source of CIS failure.)

MIS's full response follows:

> It is not air in the tubing, it is gas from the ink degassing.  
> This happens to all of them when they are idle for a while.  
> So when there are gas bubbles in the tubes, they get pushed 
> into the cartridge when the system returns to full operation. 
> Over time this lowers the ink level inside the cartridge.  
> It will take a long time or a lot of idle-operate cycles to
> fill the cartridge with gas.  It can happen, but other things 
> happen first, usually, to cause a system failure.  

> The most common issue for older systems is blocked tubes.  
> As gas starts filling the tube on an idle system, algae starts 
> to form on the walls of the tube, like cholesterol in an artery. 
> When the system starts to operate again, the algae is not washed
> away, it stays there.

(Hmm, algae.  That requires light.)

>  The gas in the tube will rise to the highest point in the
> tube path.  That point is often exposed to light or even 
> direct sunlight.  This speeds the growth of the algae. 

This makes it sound, again, like we ought to be keeping the tubes in the
dark.

> All the inks have what we call bug killer (we call it ink 
> penicillin) in them, but if too much is added it upsets the
> ink properties and it will not print properly.  We have 
> sent ink penicillin to many customers that complain of blocked 
> tubes.  Instead of adding this to the ink in too large of dose,
> there is some simple preventive maintenance that will keep 
> the system from failing from algae buildup.

> 1.  Trim the tubes to eliminate any loops or unnecessary ups 
> and downs.  Keep the ink path as straight as possible.

> 2.  Always install and run our AutoPrint Software.  It will 
> make a print everyday, and avoid long idle periods.  Turning
> printer off and on each day is also good, because it will 
> do a cleaning cycle when power comes on.

> 3.  Use washable bottles with a wide mouth.  Our bottles, 
> 4 oz Nalgene wide mouth bottles, are perfect.  Keep two sets. 
> Don't top off inks, fill clean bottle, and replace the old one.
> Then clean the old one, and store for next time.  Most of 
> the low cost Chinese system use a tall bottle with small
> opening in top and ink exit at bottom.  The use of bottles 
> that can not be washed out, is going to end up causing 
> system faillure, because algae builds up on the wall of the
> bottle and the bug killer in the ink can not keep up with it,
> due to the large surface area inside the bottle.

> 4.  In hot dry climates, like Arizona and parts of California, 
> the algae problem is much worse.  Keeping the system cool and
> out of the sunlight is absolutely required to have a chance 
> of long system life.

> 5.  If the system fails, replacing the tubing and recharging 
> the cartridges will usually bring it back to life.  We have
> had many customers who try to get algae out of tubes with
> chemicals and mechanical devices, but it is not worth the 
> trouble.  Replacing tubing is much easier.

I hope this information is useful.  I'm going to be cutting some black
plastic to cover my CIS -- no light, no algae (hopefully).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-05 by handyman856

A BW newbie's $.02:

I got the bug to work with QTR and try and learn to do some decent BW.
The "1-point type" demo on the Cone site grabbed my attention. I've
known of their great reputation, and when I saw the rave reviews on
the Epson 1400 and the Piezography inks, I jumped in, and have started
off with the InkjetMall CIS, the Special Edition Ink set, and a 1400.

I had some initial issues getting the hoses to lay correctly - mostly
my fault, but the docs that came with it where not super clear on how
to dress them. Dana at IJM was MOST helpful in getting me
"straightened out" (as it were), and that issue is done. While, for my
low volume, a CIS was prob not necessary, it is working fine and I can
print away and not fret over the cost of ink. Overall the CIS is
working just fine.

However, there is one modest fly in the ointment: Paper. Or the cost
therein. It seems most of the 'plug-n-play' QTR profiles supplied with
Piezography inks are for the pricier fine art papers. I do believe a
profile for Epson Enhanced Matte is provided, which does give a
slightly lower cost starting point. But to get to the Real Deal, it
appears you have to use the Real Papers!   :-)

So the point of all this rambling is: That while the IJM CIS works
pretty good, and WILL save $$ on ink, be prepared for a big paper
bill. You're gonna burn a lot of it on the way to those prints that
you may be dreaming about.

=Alan R.



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>
> We've just seen lots of chatter about CIS but I don't think anybody
> said they'd used or even heard of a genuinely good one.
> 
> Is any CIS worth the effort? Which one? Ink and my time are both
> expensive: it  seems a mistake to try to save $100 by buying a
> mediocre CIS.
> 
> Any direct experience with Cone's CIS? Looks well done and Cone writes
> surprisingly intelligently for a technical person.
> 
> What about the MIS CIS? MIS proved incapable of cartridge quality
> control, so I'm hesitant to buy that CIS...but I do want to use Eboni.
> Any hands-on experience with that CIS?
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-05 by Roger Sopher

Valid point, paper is expensive but compared to the expense of setting up a
darkroom, chemicals,  best quality silver halide paper, dry mounting press,
etc etc, it doesn¹t seem too bad.

I was very comfortable and reasonably efficient in printing in my darkroom
but with the astounding level of choices that exist now in printer, paper,
ink and the software to use them it can be daunting indeed and a lot of
paper ends up in the circular file. Still, a worthwhile tradeoff in my view.

Roger
>  
>  
> 



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Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-05 by Seth Rossman

The first thing that came to mind when MIS said to keep it dark was 
nylon tubing cover.

Actually, it's on flat rolls, sold by the foot at camping/hiking/rock 
climbing stores.  Colors too, not that that is important--just stylish.

The main use I have had with it is military--covering tubing from the 
Camelbak bladder to keep the water cooler and keep the tube from chafing.

I believe it would be much easier to slip over the existing tubing than 
another plastic would.

Seth

=================
Paul Roark wrote:
.... I'm going to be cutting some black
plastic to cover my CIS -- no light, no algae (hopefully).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.
com

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-05 by Gary Wagner

Yes paper is expensive but silver paper costs more. I think what you are
really buying is the ability to make true black and white prints using only
black and white inks. It is nice to save some money on the inks which the
CIS does but what I really wanted was to produce black and white digital
photography in the best way possible using ink printing methods. 

Gary W.
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Behalf Of handyman856
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:34 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

 

A BW newbie's $.02:

I got the bug to work with QTR and try and learn to do some decent BW.
The "1-point type" demo on the Cone site grabbed my attention. I've
known of their great reputation, and when I saw the rave reviews on
the Epson 1400 and the Piezography inks, I jumped in, and have started
off with the InkjetMall CIS, the Special Edition Ink set, and a 1400.




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Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-05 by scott_now_coming

PremierArt Premium Matte BW is an awesome, low cost paper for everyday 
printing use with QTR and the Epson 1400 loaded with Eboni.

http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-
bin/itsupplies.storefront/48e92e9b09c0798027404200c14c0686/Catalog/1623

500 shts of 8.5x11"  for $99 is a great bargin for a paper of this 
quality, imo.

100 shts of 13x19 for $57? I don't even worry about paper cost.

Just my 2 cents, fwiw....

Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-05 by donbga

> PremierArt Premium Matte BW is an awesome, low cost paper for 
everyday 
> printing use with QTR and the Epson 1400 loaded with Eboni.
> 
> http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-
> 
bin/itsupplies.storefront/48e92e9b09c0798027404200c14c0686/Catalog/162
3
> 
> 500 shts of 8.5x11"  for $99 is a great bargin for a paper of this 
> quality, imo.
> 
> 100 shts of 13x19 for $57? I don't even worry about paper cost.
> 
> Just my 2 cents, fwiw....
>
While the price is good it still is an alpha cellulious paper 
intended for proofing.

That being said I'll order some.

Don Bryant

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-06 by Paul Roark

I use a lot of Premier Imaging (http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/ )
papers also.  The Epson Premier Art Scrapbook paper is their un-brightened
smooth 205.  Epson says it's their "most archival paper."  

 

The brightened version of this - the Premier Art Smooth BW 200 - is what I
use mostly with the dilute Eboni inksets.

 

The un-brightened Premier Art 325 is what I like best with the 3-MK
workflow.  That combination is what I use for the museum work I do.

 

www.Atlex.com <http://www.atlex.com/>  is always also a place to check for
good prices. 

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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PremierArt Premium Matte BW is an awesome, low cost paper for everyday 
printing use with QTR and the Epson 1400 loaded with Eboni.

http://www.itsuppli <http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-> es.com/cgi-
bin/itsupplies.storefront/48e92e9b09c0798027404200c14c0686/Catalog/1623

500 shts of 8.5x11" for $99 is a great bargin for a paper of this 
quality, imo.

100 shts of 13x19 for $57? I don't even worry about paper cost.

Just my 2 cents, fwiw....

 



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Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?

2008-10-06 by handyman856

Thanks for the Premier tips - didn't know about that brand. Will def
check their lineup!

=Alan R.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
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> I use a lot of Premier Imaging (http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/ )
> papers also.  The Epson Premier Art Scrapbook paper is their
un-brightened
> smooth 205.  Epson says it's their "most archival paper."  
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> The brightened version of this - the Premier Art Smooth BW 200 - is
what I
> use mostly with the dilute Eboni inksets.
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> The un-brightened Premier Art 325 is what I like best with the 3-MK
> workflow.  That combination is what I use for the museum work I do.
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> www.Atlex.com <http://www.atlex.com/>  is always also a place to
check for
> good prices. 
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> Paul
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> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
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> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: OK, OK...WHICH CIS is worth the effort?
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> PremierArt Premium Matte BW is an awesome, low cost paper for everyday 
> printing use with QTR and the Epson 1400 loaded with Eboni.
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> http://www.itsuppli <http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-> es.com/cgi-
> bin/itsupplies.storefront/48e92e9b09c0798027404200c14c0686/Catalog/1623
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> 500 shts of 8.5x11" for $99 is a great bargin for a paper of this 
> quality, imo.
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> 100 shts of 13x19 for $57? I don't even worry about paper cost.
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> Just my 2 cents, fwiw....
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