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Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-04 by Terry

I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each.  I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.

I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.

While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing.  I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster.  All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.

I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.

Imation Photo Jet – None (maybe 5)
Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) – 20/25
Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) – 25/30
Harman Gloss FB AL – 25/30
Ilford Gold Fiber Silk – 35/40
Innova Fibra Print – 40/45
Epson Ultra Premium Luster – 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)

Does anyone have any data on other papers?  I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.

Comments appreciated.

Terry

Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-06 by Terry

I've added an 8th paper to my list.

Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster (250gsm, 10.4mil) 30/35 no bronzing on the R800 / R1800 std Epson Inks

I understand this paper is no longer available.

Any comments on this data?

Thanks, Terry

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <TerryGls@...> wrote:
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>
> I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each.  I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.
> 
> I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.
> 
> While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing.  I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster.  All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.
> 
> I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.
> 
> Imation Photo Jet – None (maybe 5)
> Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) – 20/25
> Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) – 25/30
> Harman Gloss FB AL – 25/30
> Ilford Gold Fiber Silk – 35/40
> Innova Fibra Print – 40/45
> Epson Ultra Premium Luster – 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)
> 
> Does anyone have any data on other papers?  I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
> Terry
>

Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-11 by igor_mountain

Not about bronzing, but about sharpness: the same picture printed on Epson Ultra Premium Luster appears sharper to me compared to Innova Fiba and Hahnemuhle Baryta and Perl papers.  

Did you notice any difference?


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <TerryGls@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I've added an 8th paper to my list.
> 
> Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster (250gsm, 10.4mil) 30/35 no bronzing on the R800 / R1800 std Epson Inks
> 
> I understand this paper is no longer available.
> 
> Any comments on this data?
> 
> Thanks, Terry
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> >
> > I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each.  I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.
> > 
> > I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.
> > 
> > While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing.  I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster.  All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.
> > 
> > I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.
> > 
> > Imation Photo Jet – None (maybe 5)
> > Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) – 20/25
> > Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) – 25/30
> > Harman Gloss FB AL – 25/30
> > Ilford Gold Fiber Silk – 35/40
> > Innova Fibra Print – 40/45
> > Epson Ultra Premium Luster – 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)
> > 
> > Does anyone have any data on other papers?  I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.
> > 
> > Comments appreciated.
> > 
> > Terry
> >
>

Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-18 by Terry

Igor,

It is hard to tell but would probably agree the Epson Luster has a very slight edge.  The Innova has a "irregular" surface with the Hh Pearl smoother and the Epson Luster smooth with the Luster sparkle may give it more apparent sharpness.

It's amazing to me the differences in the bronzing effect on the PK ink among the various glossy/luster/satin/pearl papers.

Terry

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Not about bronzing, but about sharpness: the same picture printed on Epson Ultra Premium Luster appears sharper to me compared to Innova Fiba and Hahnemuhle Baryta and Perl papers.  
> 
> Did you notice any difference?
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> >
> > I've added an 8th paper to my list.
> > 
> > Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster (250gsm, 10.4mil) 30/35 no bronzing on the R800 / R1800 std Epson Inks
> > 
> > I understand this paper is no longer available.
> > 
> > Any comments on this data?
> > 
> > Thanks, Terry
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each.  I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.
> > > 
> > > I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.
> > > 
> > > While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing.  I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster.  All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.
> > > 
> > > I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.
> > > 
> > > Imation Photo Jet – None (maybe 5)
> > > Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) – 20/25
> > > Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) – 25/30
> > > Harman Gloss FB AL – 25/30
> > > Ilford Gold Fiber Silk – 35/40
> > > Innova Fibra Print – 40/45
> > > Epson Ultra Premium Luster – 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)
> > > 
> > > Does anyone have any data on other papers?  I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.
> > > 
> > > Comments appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Terry
> > >
> >
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-19 by Richard J Mirvis

I am new to quadtonerip need some help, use 1800 when printing with epson premium luster paper I get fine verticle lines on print. Can anyone give me some help  thanks richard


DICK

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Terry <TerryGls@...> wrote:
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From: Terry <TerryGls@...>
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:53 PM


  



Igor,

It is hard to tell but would probably agree the Epson Luster has a very slight edge. The Innova has a "irregular" surface with the Hh Pearl smoother and the Epson Luster smooth with the Luster sparkle may give it more apparent sharpness.

It's amazing to me the differences in the bronzing effect on the PK ink among the various glossy/luster/ satin/pearl papers.

Terry

--- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@ ...> wrote:
>
> Not about bronzing, but about sharpness: the same picture printed on Epson Ultra Premium Luster appears sharper to me compared to Innova Fiba and Hahnemuhle Baryta and Perl papers. 
> 
> Did you notice any difference?
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> >
> > I've added an 8th paper to my list.
> > 
> > Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster (250gsm, 10.4mil) 30/35 no bronzing on the R800 / R1800 std Epson Inks
> > 
> > I understand this paper is no longer available.
> > 
> > Any comments on this data?
> > 
> > Thanks, Terry
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each. I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.
> > > 
> > > I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.
> > > 
> > > While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing. I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster. All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.
> > > 
> > > I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.
> > > 
> > > Imation Photo Jet – None (maybe 5)
> > > Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) – 20/25
> > > Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) – 25/30
> > > Harman Gloss FB AL – 25/30
> > > Ilford Gold Fiber Silk – 35/40
> > > Innova Fibra Print – 40/45
> > > Epson Ultra Premium Luster – 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)
> > > 
> > > Does anyone have any data on other papers? I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.
> > > 
> > > Comments appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Terry
> > >
> >
>








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Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-19 by igor_mountain

A cleaning cycle did not get rid of the problem?  Did you do a nozzle check?  You have to check it closely, even if it seems like there are no gaps in the printed pattern.  You can scan the nozzle check pattern or take a picture of it and then enlarge it in Photoshop.  You may also need to darken the image somewhat so that you can see the lighter pattern easier.

Examine nozzle step down patterns to make sure that each nozzle line starts at the end of the line to the left, one nozzle width down and that all nozzle lines are straight.  If you see some problems, you may need to do some "deep" cleaning.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Richard J Mirvis <rmirvis@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I am new to quadtonerip need some help, use 1800 when printing with epson premium luster paper I get fine verticle lines on print. Can anyone give me some help  thanks richard
> 
> 
> DICK
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Terry <TerryGls@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Terry <TerryGls@...>
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:53 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> Igor,
> 
> It is hard to tell but would probably agree the Epson Luster has a very slight edge. The Innova has a "irregular" surface with the Hh Pearl smoother and the Epson Luster smooth with the Luster sparkle may give it more apparent sharpness.
> 
> It's amazing to me the differences in the bronzing effect on the PK ink among the various glossy/luster/ satin/pearl papers.
> 
> Terry
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Not about bronzing, but about sharpness: the same picture printed on Epson Ultra Premium Luster appears sharper to me compared to Innova Fiba and Hahnemuhle Baryta and Perl papers. 
> > 
> > Did you notice any difference?
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've added an 8th paper to my list.
> > > 
> > > Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster (250gsm, 10.4mil) 30/35 no bronzing on the R800 / R1800 std Epson Inks
> > > 
> > > I understand this paper is no longer available.
> > > 
> > > Any comments on this data?
> > > 
> > > Thanks, Terry
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each. I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.
> > > > 
> > > > I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.
> > > > 
> > > > While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing. I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster. All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.
> > > > 
> > > > I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.
> > > > 
> > > > Imation Photo Jet â€" None (maybe 5)
> > > > Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) â€" 20/25
> > > > Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) â€" 25/30
> > > > Harman Gloss FB AL â€" 25/30
> > > > Ilford Gold Fiber Silk â€" 35/40
> > > > Innova Fibra Print â€" 40/45
> > > > Epson Ultra Premium Luster â€" 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)
> > > > 
> > > > Does anyone have any data on other papers? I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.
> > > > 
> > > > Comments appreciated.
> > > > 
> > > > Terry
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-19 by igor_mountain

You should also do head alignment 



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> A cleaning cycle did not get rid of the problem?  Did you do a nozzle check?  You have to check it closely, even if it seems like there are no gaps in the printed pattern.  You can scan the nozzle check pattern or take a picture of it and then enlarge it in Photoshop.  You may also need to darken the image somewhat so that you can see the lighter pattern easier.
> 
> Examine nozzle step down patterns to make sure that each nozzle line starts at the end of the line to the left, one nozzle width down and that all nozzle lines are straight.  If you see some problems, you may need to do some "deep" cleaning.
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Richard J Mirvis <rmirvis@> wrote:
> >
> > I am new to quadtonerip need some help, use 1800 when printing with epson premium luster paper I get fine verticle lines on print. Can anyone give me some help  thanks richard
> > 
> > 
> > DICK
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Terry <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Terry <TerryGls@>
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:53 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Igor,
> > 
> > It is hard to tell but would probably agree the Epson Luster has a very slight edge. The Innova has a "irregular" surface with the Hh Pearl smoother and the Epson Luster smooth with the Luster sparkle may give it more apparent sharpness.
> > 
> > It's amazing to me the differences in the bronzing effect on the PK ink among the various glossy/luster/ satin/pearl papers.
> > 
> > Terry
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not about bronzing, but about sharpness: the same picture printed on Epson Ultra Premium Luster appears sharper to me compared to Innova Fiba and Hahnemuhle Baryta and Perl papers. 
> > > 
> > > Did you notice any difference?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've added an 8th paper to my list.
> > > > 
> > > > Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster (250gsm, 10.4mil) 30/35 no bronzing on the R800 / R1800 std Epson Inks
> > > > 
> > > > I understand this paper is no longer available.
> > > > 
> > > > Any comments on this data?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, Terry
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry" <TerryGls@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I had 7 glossy / luster papers and wanted to see the bronzing effect on each. I printed out the Quadtone Rip Ink Separation Test Page on each which shows 21 steps of increasing ink densities.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've let the papers dry for 3 days and visually viewed at an angle under an Ott-Lite which is supposed to be 5000-5500 degree Kelvin.
> > > > > 
> > > > > While somewhat subjective there are some clear differences with the Epson Luster being the worst re bronzing. I now see why so many posts here regarding the amount of Gloss and or spray required to reduce the bronzing on the PK ink for glossy/luster papers on the R800 / R1800 printers and especially the Epson Luster. All were printed 2880, uni-directional, and adaptive-hybird on my R1800.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I looked at each printed paper and the % where I thought the PK ink was not "bronzing." was noted.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Imation Photo Jet â€" None (maybe 5)
> > > > > Ilford Classic Pearl (Black Box) â€" 20/25
> > > > > Ilford Smooth Pearl (Red Box) â€" 25/30
> > > > > Harman Gloss FB AL â€" 25/30
> > > > > Ilford Gold Fiber Silk â€" 35/40
> > > > > Innova Fibra Print â€" 40/45
> > > > > Epson Ultra Premium Luster â€" 45/50 (when observed right after printing it was 60/65)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Does anyone have any data on other papers? I'd be interested in the Harman Crystaljet Luster RC paper.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Comments appreciated.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Terry
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Re: Bronzing for Various Glossy / Luster Papers R800 / R1800

2009-11-20 by rgrbrrtt

Are you sure it's not the dreaded "pizza wheels"? Surely head problems would give horizontal lines.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@...> wrote:
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>
> You should also do head alignment 

> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "igor_mountain" <igorkarpenko@> wrote:
> >
> > A cleaning cycle did not get rid of the problem?  Did you do a nozzle check?  You have to check it closely, even if it seems like there are no gaps in the printed pattern.  You can scan the nozzle check pattern or take a picture of it and then enlarge it in Photoshop.  You may also need to darken the image somewhat so that you can see the lighter pattern easier.
> > 
> > Examine nozzle step down patterns to make sure that each nozzle line starts at the end of the line to the left, one nozzle width down and that all nozzle lines are straight.  If you see some problems, you may need to do some "deep" cleaning.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@...m, Richard J Mirvis <rmirvis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am new to quadtonerip need some help, use 1800 when printing with epson premium luster paper I get fine verticle lines on print. Can anyone give me some help  thanks richard
> > > 
> > > 
> > > DICK

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