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Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-01 by dawsonmpleasanton

I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes that someone can help me out.

I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a desktop inkjet.  I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson 1280 printer.

I am not using a continuous feed system.  I went that route with b&w printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise).  Instead I am using spongeless cartridges from MIS.

In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog after all sorts of cleaning.  Nozzle checks with the new print head were perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.

Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly.  Beautiful prints.  But I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle checks.  Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.

I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded up a new blank set of cartridges.  After installation, bingo, first time delivered perfect nozzle checks.  Printed about 5-10 more prints before same nozzle clogging problems occurred.

Cleaning would not solve the problem.  I put back in the Cone flush cartridges.  Beautiful.  Perfect nozzle checks.  Put back in the K6 inks.  No joy.  No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.

I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out there happily printing b&w.  So any hints on what to do with my system would be greatly appreciated.

I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can be an issue with this printer.  I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.

Do I...

1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks?  Anyone have some hints?
2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
3. Give up on the 1280?  The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether?  (I hope not)

Regards, and thanks in advance.
Mike

Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-01 by piezobw

Check your humidity level if you live in the colder regions or have turned on the heat in your studio recently. If you fall below 30% rH you will have issues with any ink set. Make sure that the 1280 cartridges do not have some residue on the vent holes where you pulled off the tape. But low humidity dries out print heads no matter what brand of ink.  I'll post in the other forum to make sure you see this - and I hope it helps. FWIW - we are running two 13 gallon humidifiers at Cone Editions Press right now struggling to get above 30%. When we do - no problems. But at 15-20% rH no print head can stay moist.

regards,

Jon



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes that someone can help me out.
> 
> I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a desktop inkjet.  I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson 1280 printer.
> 
> I am not using a continuous feed system.  I went that route with b&w printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise).  Instead I am using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
> 
> In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog after all sorts of cleaning.  Nozzle checks with the new print head were perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
> 
> Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly.  Beautiful prints.  But I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle checks.  Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
> 
> I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded up a new blank set of cartridges.  After installation, bingo, first time delivered perfect nozzle checks.  Printed about 5-10 more prints before same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
> 
> Cleaning would not solve the problem.  I put back in the Cone flush cartridges.  Beautiful.  Perfect nozzle checks.  Put back in the K6 inks.  No joy.  No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
> 
> I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out there happily printing b&w.  So any hints on what to do with my system would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can be an issue with this printer.  I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
> 
> Do I...
> 
> 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks?  Anyone have some hints?
> 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> 3. Give up on the 1280?  The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether?  (I hope not)
> 
> Regards, and thanks in advance.
> Mike
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-01 by mrjimbo

Jon, 
You are so correct regarding the humidity / temp issues.. We all assume that it's something else.. Here that was a really tough lesson.. but we finally learned it. An inexpensive Thermometer and Hygrometer combo from Holmes is 3 bucks in manual or 9 bucks digital.... just tells the story.. So silly not to have a couple.. 
Hmmm 13 gal ..what unit is that? We use the old Bionaire W7 Digital I think there called .. only 2 tanks so maybe 8/9 gal.. We added toilet floats and sort of a refrigerator ice maker water feed to two of them so I'm not a water boy all the time.. We have a skid full of them in the barn for parts.. Insane huh? I have a 4800 that I always thought was well maybe... I just won't say.. anyway when it was put in the right humidity and temp it preformed... but shame on me if I let the humidifiers run dry..LOL .. 

jimbo
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 ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: piezobw 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:18 PM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging


    
  Check your humidity level if you live in the colder regions or have turned on the heat in your studio recently. If you fall below 30% rH you will have issues with any ink set. Make sure that the 1280 cartridges do not have some residue on the vent holes where you pulled off the tape. But low humidity dries out print heads no matter what brand of ink. I'll post in the other forum to make sure you see this - and I hope it helps. FWIW - we are running two 13 gallon humidifiers at Cone Editions Press right now struggling to get above 30%. When we do - no problems. But at 15-20% rH no print head can stay moist.

  regards,

  Jon

  --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...> wrote:
  >
  > I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes that someone can help me out.
  > 
  > I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson 1280 printer.
  > 
  > I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with b&w printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead I am using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
  > 
  > In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head were perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
  > 
  > Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints. But I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
  > 
  > I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first time delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints before same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
  > 
  > Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6 inks. No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
  > 
  > I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my system would be greatly appreciated.
  > 
  > I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
  > 
  > Do I...
  > 
  > 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
  > 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
  > 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
  > 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
  > 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
  > 
  > Regards, and thanks in advance.
  > Mike
  >



  


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Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-02 by tboleyyh

I try to keep mine over 50, makes a huge difference. In the winter when the heat is on a lot, it's the most difficult even here in Seattle..
During a job crunch I could barely keep up with, printer going around the clock for a few days, I could not afford down time with cleanings etc.. I kept it up over 60 and never had a problem. Very unusual, it had to be the high humidity.
Tyler 

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
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> Jon, 
> You are so correct regarding the humidity / temp issues..

Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-02 by abrams371

My old Epson 1280 finally got totally clogged using a Jon Cone's K6 CIS
inkset and I had to get rid of it--admittedly, though, I had left it
alone during long periods when I did nothing but turn it on and off
daily.  So I bought an Epson 1400 and the new K6 CIS inkset for it, and
after a couple of weeks of almost daily printing it clogged permanently,
despite my trying every trick in inkjetmall's book to unclog it. 
Fortunately, amazon replaced the printer at no cost, and now I think I
have found the answer to avoid clogs.

Every morning without fail I invert each of the bottles of ink a couple
of times to keep the pigment in solution (hold your finger over the
air-hole when you do this!), then do a head cleaning--one such daily
cleaning has worked so far to give a perfect nozzle check.  I've been
printing daily for 2-3 weeks now--about 75 13x19  prints in all--with
nary a clog.  This is a particular advantage of the CIS because you can
invert the bottles, something you can't do with cartridges.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes
that someone can help me out.
>
> I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a
desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson
1280 printer.
>
> I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with b&w
printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough
that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead I am
using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
>
> In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print
head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog
after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head were
perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
>
> Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints. But
I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle
checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
>
> I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded
up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first time
delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints before
same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
>
> Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6 inks.
No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
>
> I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out
there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my system
would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can
be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were
supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
>
> Do I...
>
> 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
> 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
>
> Regards, and thanks in advance.
> Mike
>




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Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-02 by dawsonmpleasanton

Interesting experience, Richard.  You could have done like I did with the 1280.  A new print head costs $100 and is super easy to install.  Voila, clogs gone!  However, for $200 you can get a totally new 1400 printer, which is a better printer.  You probably made the right choice.

With regard to your comments about the inverting ink bottles in the CIS system I'm not sure I see any advantage of CIS over cartridges.  A CIS system is still a cartridge based system.  Those cartridges are full of ink and settling issues (if they are indeed issues) are going to happen in the cartridge of a CIS system just like they will if using standard cartridges.

Is there some aspect of the CIS system I'm not seeing?  I used to have a CIS system with Cone inks a few years back before it clogged up due to infrequent use.  That's the reason I commented in my original post that I don't want to go the CIS route.  The 5 to 10 prints I will make a month can't really keep a CIS system going.  I'm hoping the same is not true even of the cartridge only solution.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "abrams371" <richard.abrams@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> My old Epson 1280 finally got totally clogged using a Jon Cone's K6 CIS
> inkset and I had to get rid of it--admittedly, though, I had left it
> alone during long periods when I did nothing but turn it on and off
> daily.  So I bought an Epson 1400 and the new K6 CIS inkset for it, and
> after a couple of weeks of almost daily printing it clogged permanently,
> despite my trying every trick in inkjetmall's book to unclog it. 
> Fortunately, amazon replaced the printer at no cost, and now I think I
> have found the answer to avoid clogs.
> 
> Every morning without fail I invert each of the bottles of ink a couple
> of times to keep the pigment in solution (hold your finger over the
> air-hole when you do this!), then do a head cleaning--one such daily
> cleaning has worked so far to give a perfect nozzle check.  I've been
> printing daily for 2-3 weeks now--about 75 13x19  prints in all--with
> nary a clog.  This is a particular advantage of the CIS because you can
> invert the bottles, something you can't do with cartridges.
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes
> that someone can help me out.
> >
> > I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a
> desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson
> 1280 printer.
> >
> > I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with b&w
> printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough
> that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead I am
> using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
> >
> > In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print
> head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog
> after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head were
> perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
> >
> > Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints. But
> I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle
> checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
> >
> > I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded
> up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first time
> delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints before
> same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
> >
> > Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
> cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6 inks.
> No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
> >
> > I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out
> there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my system
> would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can
> be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were
> supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
> >
> > Do I...
> >
> > 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
> > 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> > 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> > 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> > 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
> >
> > Regards, and thanks in advance.
> > Mike
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging

2010-02-03 by abrams371

Mike,



Perhaps you've right, and inverting the cartridges is just something one
has to do with a CIS system because the tubing draws from the bottom of
the bottle where settling can lead to clogging. I don't know what
difference, if any, there might be between the cartridges you use and
the ones that came with my CIS, which are also spongeless.

In the end, my success so far may have resulted from nothing more than
running a head cleaning first thing every morning and then printing
several 13x19 prints each day, often as late as midnight.  I'll know the
answer in a couple of weeks when I go away for a month and my wife just
runs a head cleaning every day without doing any printing.

Richard


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...>
wrote:
>
> Interesting experience, Richard. You could have done like I did with
the 1280. A new print head costs $100 and is super easy to install.
Voila, clogs gone! However, for $200 you can get a totally new 1400
printer, which is a better printer. You probably made the right choice.
>
> With regard to your comments about the inverting ink bottles in the
CIS system I'm not sure I see any advantage of CIS over cartridges. A
CIS system is still a cartridge based system. Those cartridges are full
of ink and settling issues (if they are indeed issues) are going to
happen in the cartridge of a CIS system just like they will if using
standard cartridges.
>
> Is there some aspect of the CIS system I'm not seeing? I used to have
a CIS system with Cone inks a few years back before it clogged up due to
infrequent use. That's the reason I commented in my original post that I
don't want to go the CIS route. The 5 to 10 prints I will make a month
can't really keep a CIS system going. I'm hoping the same is not true
even of the cartridge only solution.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "abrams371" richard.abrams@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > My old Epson 1280 finally got totally clogged using a Jon Cone's K6
CIS
> > inkset and I had to get rid of it--admittedly, though, I had left it
> > alone during long periods when I did nothing but turn it on and off
> > daily. So I bought an Epson 1400 and the new K6 CIS inkset for it,
and
> > after a couple of weeks of almost daily printing it clogged
permanently,
> > despite my trying every trick in inkjetmall's book to unclog it.
> > Fortunately, amazon replaced the printer at no cost, and now I think
I
> > have found the answer to avoid clogs.
> >
> > Every morning without fail I invert each of the bottles of ink a
couple
> > of times to keep the pigment in solution (hold your finger over the
> > air-hole when you do this!), then do a head cleaning--one such daily
> > cleaning has worked so far to give a perfect nozzle check. I've been
> > printing daily for 2-3 weeks now--about 75 13x19 prints in all--with
> > nary a clog. This is a particular advantage of the CIS because you
can
> > invert the bottles, something you can't do with cartridges.
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the
hopes
> > that someone can help me out.
> > >
> > > I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing
on a
> > desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my
Epson
> > 1280 printer.
> > >
> > > I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with
b&w
> > printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough
> > that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead
I am
> > using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
> > >
> > > In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print
> > head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not
unclog
> > after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head
were
> > perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
> > >
> > > Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints.
But
> > I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing
nozzle
> > checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
> > >
> > > I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I
loaded
> > up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first
time
> > delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints
before
> > same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
> > >
> > > Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
> > cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6
inks.
> > No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
> > >
> > > I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many
out
> > there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my
system
> > would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging
can
> > be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks
were
> > supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
> > >
> > > Do I...
> > >
> > > 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
> > > 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> > > 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> > > 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> > > 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
> > >
> > > Regards, and thanks in advance.
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>




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