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2010-06-11 by Frank
I am new to QTR. I have an Epson 3880. I have read the documentation and read lots of info here. I am confused by the various references in this yahoo group to Gray_Photo_Paper.icc and Gray_Matte_Paper.icc. There is no information on these in in Tom Moore's QTR User Guide. There is no mention of them on Roy's web site. How do I use these? Are these strictly for soft proofing in Photoshop? Thanks
2010-06-13 by Frank
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@...> wrote: > > I am new to QTR. I have an Epson 3880. I have read the documentation and read lots of info here. I am confused by the various references in this yahoo group to Gray_Photo_Paper.icc and Gray_Matte_Paper.icc. There is no information on these in in Tom Moore's QTR User Guide. There is no mention of them on Roy's web site. > > How do I use these? Are these strictly for soft proofing in Photoshop? > > Thanks > ?
2010-06-13 by Catherine Costolo
Frank, go to the website of Amadou Diallo (www. diallophotography.com. He has a workflow for QTR with the 3800 on a Mac. I do not know what platform you are using but it may answer your question. Hope so. Catherine Catherine Costolo Independent Beauty Consultant with Mary Kay Cosmetics(404) 252 -2181 (404)291-2181 (cell) Visit my website 24/7 www.marykay.com/ccostolo Happiness is like jam.....you can't spread it around without getting a little on yourself.
On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Frank wrote: > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@...> wrote: >> >> I am new to QTR. I have an Epson 3880. I have read the >> documentation and read lots of info here. I am confused by the >> various references in this yahoo group to Gray_Photo_Paper.icc and >> Gray_Matte_Paper.icc. There is no information on these in in Tom >> Moore's QTR User Guide. There is no mention of them on Roy's web >> site. >> >> How do I use these? Are these strictly for soft proofing in >> Photoshop? >> >> Thanks >> > ? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-06-13 by Catherine Costolo
Frank, I just thought of something. Could one be for glossy paper and the other for matte? Catherine Catherine Costolo Independent Beauty Consultant with Mary Kay Cosmetics(404) 252 -2181 (404)291-2181 (cell) Visit my website 24/7 www.marykay.com/ccostolo Happiness is like jam.....you can't spread it around without getting a little on yourself.
On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Frank wrote: > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@...> wrote: >> >> I am new to QTR. I have an Epson 3880. I have read the >> documentation and read lots of info here. I am confused by the >> various references in this yahoo group to Gray_Photo_Paper.icc and >> Gray_Matte_Paper.icc. There is no information on these in in Tom >> Moore's QTR User Guide. There is no mention of them on Roy's web >> site. >> >> How do I use these? Are these strictly for soft proofing in >> Photoshop? >> >> Thanks >> > ? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2010-06-13 by Frank
I do not know - that is why I asked how to use these. Are they for soft proof only? For Mac only? Roy, can you help? Frank I am on Windows 7 64 bit platform. --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Catherine Costolo <mikes1mom@...> wrote:
> > Frank, I just thought of something. Could one be for glossy paper and > the other for matte? > Catherine > > > Catherine Costolo > Independent Beauty Consultant with Mary Kay Cosmetics(404) 252 -2181 > (404)291-2181 (cell) > Visit my website 24/7 www.marykay.com/ccostolo > Happiness is like jam.....you can't spread it around without getting a > little on yourself. > > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Frank wrote: > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@> wrote: > >> > >> I am new to QTR. I have an Epson 3880. I have read the > >> documentation and read lots of info here. I am confused by the > >> various references in this yahoo group to Gray_Photo_Paper.icc and > >> Gray_Matte_Paper.icc. There is no information on these in in Tom > >> Moore's QTR User Guide. There is no mention of them on Roy's web > >> site. > >> > >> How do I use these? Are these strictly for soft proofing in > >> Photoshop? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > > ? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2010-06-14 by Roy Harrington
Hi Frank and Catherine, The two Gray and two RGB icc profiles that come with QTR are generic printing profiles that can compensate for the dmax's of either matte papers or photo papers. It's most obvious on the matte papers with a lower dmax (i.e. blacks are not as dark). The idea is to use color management software to make the print look closer to what you see on the screen. They are for printing -- softproofs won't show anything different. On PC's you Convert-to-profile to the appropriate icc, then save and print with QTR. On Mac the idea is to just select it as a Print Profile in PS. (Unfortunately CS4 and I think CS5 have some trouble with grayscale color management so I use CS3). Also the RGB versions are functionally equivalent but needed if you are using a program that only supports RGB, not grayscale. Roy
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Frank <frankp0@...> wrote: > > I do not know - that is why I asked how to use these. Are they for soft proof only? For Mac only? > > Roy, can you help? > > Frank > > I am on Windows 7 64 bit platform. > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Catherine Costolo <mikes1mom@...> wrote: >> >> Frank, I just thought of something. Could one be for glossy paper and >> the other for matte? >> Catherine >> >> >> Catherine Costolo >> Independent Beauty Consultant with Mary Kay Cosmetics(404) 252 -2181 >> (404)291-2181 (cell) >> Visit my website 24/7 www.marykay.com/ccostolo >> Happiness is like jam.....you can't spread it around without getting a >> little on yourself. >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Frank wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@> wrote: >> >> >> >> I am new to QTR. I have an Epson 3880. I have read the >> >> documentation and read lots of info here. I am confused by the >> >> various references in this yahoo group to Gray_Photo_Paper.icc and >> >> Gray_Matte_Paper.icc. There is no information on these in in Tom >> >> Moore's QTR User Guide. There is no mention of them on Roy's web >> >> site. >> >> >> >> How do I use these? Are these strictly for soft proofing in >> >> Photoshop? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > ? >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2010-06-14 by Frank
Roy, Thanks. Let me be sure I understand. QTR has some built in paper curves (i.e. EEnhMatte, HPhotorag, etc). Are the two gray.icc to be used instead of these paper curves? Or are they separate? By separate I mean convert to gray.icc in Photoshop then print with QTR using a paper curve? And what do you mean by grayscale color management problems? Thanks Frank --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
> > Hi Frank and Catherine, > > The two Gray and two RGB icc profiles that come with QTR are generic > printing profiles that can compensate > for the dmax's of either matte papers or photo papers. It's most > obvious on the matte papers > with a lower dmax (i.e. blacks are not as dark). The idea is to use > color management software to > make the print look closer to what you see on the screen. They are > for printing -- softproofs won't > show anything different. > > On PC's you Convert-to-profile to the appropriate icc, then save and > print with QTR. On Mac the > idea is to just select it as a Print Profile in PS. (Unfortunately > CS4 and I think CS5 have some > trouble with grayscale color management so I use CS3). > > Also the RGB versions are functionally equivalent but needed if you > are using a program that only > supports RGB, not grayscale. > > Roy
2010-06-16 by Frank
Roy can you help? --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@...> wrote:
> > Roy, > Thanks. Let me be sure I understand. QTR has some built in paper curves (i.e. EEnhMatte, HPhotorag, etc). Are the two gray.icc to be used instead of these paper curves? Or are they separate? By separate I mean convert to gray.icc in Photoshop then print with QTR using a paper curve? > > And what do you mean by grayscale color management problems? > > > Thanks
2010-06-17 by Frank
Roy can you help ?
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankp0@> wrote: > > > > Roy, > > Thanks. Let me be sure I understand. QTR has some built in paper curves (i.e. EEnhMatte, HPhotorag, etc). Are the two gray.icc to be used instead of these paper curves? Or are they separate? By separate I mean convert to gray.icc in Photoshop then print with QTR using a paper curve? > > > > And what do you mean by grayscale color management problems? > > > > > > Thanks >
2010-06-17 by Roy Harrington
Hi Frank, Separate. You must use a paper curve on the driver page. This is an integral part of how ink is to be used. Even if the paper is not the same as you have, pick something that is similar. ICC profiles are at a much higher level. This is the industry standard color management system. With color printing this is usually very important to match print to screen. With B&W you can get away without it -- (edit your file to make darker or lighter). But it's an additional refinement which can make things easier. ICCs are always built on top of specific settings in the driver both for color and B&W. So they are only good for particular driver settings i.e. in QTR curves, resolution, ... However since the curves are all made with a similar linearization it turns out the generic icc's work quite well. This is the basis of the QTR-Gray-Matte-Paper etal, profiles. Use these in the print dialog of Photoshop for Mac or convert-to-profile for PC. When you are just starting out I'd recommend leaving out all the icc stuff. Get to know the curves and what they all do. Later on you can figure out whether its worth adding icc workflow. Roy
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Frank <frankp0@...> wrote: > Roy, > Thanks. Let me be sure I understand. QTR has some built in paper curves (i.e. EEnhMatte, HPhotorag, etc). Are the two gray.icc to be used instead of these paper curves? Or are they separate? By separate I mean convert to gray.icc in Photoshop then print with QTR using a paper curve? > > And what do you mean by grayscale color management problems? > > > Thanks > > Frank > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote: >> >> Hi Frank and Catherine, >> >> The two Gray and two RGB icc profiles that come with QTR are generic >> printing profiles that can compensate >> for the dmax's of either matte papers or photo papers. It's most >> obvious on the matte papers >> with a lower dmax (i.e. blacks are not as dark). The idea is to use >> color management software to >> make the print look closer to what you see on the screen. They are >> for printing -- softproofs won't >> show anything different. >> >> On PC's you Convert-to-profile to the appropriate icc, then save and >> print with QTR. On Mac the >> idea is to just select it as a Print Profile in PS. (Unfortunately >> CS4 and I think CS5 have some >> trouble with grayscale color management so I use CS3). >> >> Also the RGB versions are functionally equivalent but needed if you >> are using a program that only >> supports RGB, not grayscale. >> >> Roy > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >