QTR-Quadtone RIP

Before the digital era, I printed only B/W and usually on Oriental Seagull paper.  RIch blacks and the price was right.  I always bought glossy but never ferrotyped the prints, just drying them on screens or sometimes in a blotter book.

I have spent days reading over posts in this group and it seems if you like the matte look you're good to go, but if you want the "Seagull" look with a glossy look it is tough.  Or do I have this wrong?

Do you get used to a matte print and then spray it for glossy as needed?  

I have read Mr. Roark's pages concerning using the HP pigments or the Claria dyes which made me very interested but then I saw the price!  I am quite reluctant to spend the money for the 2 Claria dyes as a starter, or has someone figured out how to get these materials in smaller quantity at an affordable price?

Thanks so much in advance.

Cordially-  Dan

flambeauriver <flambeauriver@...> wrote:

>   ... I am quite reluctant to spend the money for the 2 Claria dyes as a
> starter, or has someone figured out how to get these materials in smaller
> quantity at an affordable price?
>

I've suggested local buying groups  or camera clubs to  split the cost of
the large carts.  The up front cost of the carts is a barrier to their use.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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As a starting point you could use any of the K3 series printers with the 
OEM inks and the PK cartridge. It would give you an idea of the base you 
could achieve. Jon Cone may have some ink sets for glossy papers too, 
and MIS does though you'd probably have to make your own QTR curves for 
them. Then you've got an ever growing range of 'glossy' papers to work 
with, some with a Baryta base, others not. (Though I'm somewhat 
suspicious that the use of baryta coatings is more for marketing than 
performance reasons - I don't see why a base developed for use with 
chemically processed silver would be the best base to use for dye and 
pigment deposition with no wet chemistry!)

On 17/01/2011 15:25, flambeauriver wrote:
> Before the digital era, I printed only B/W and usually on Oriental
> Seagull paper. RIch blacks and the price was right. I always bought
> glossy but never ferrotyped the prints, just drying them on screens or
> sometimes in a blotter book.
>
> I have spent days reading over posts in this group and it seems if you
> like the matte look you're good to go, but if you want the "Seagull"
> look with a glossy look it is tough. Or do I have this wrong?
>
> Do you get used to a matte print and then spray it for glossy as needed?
>
> I have read Mr. Roark's pages concerning using the HP pigments or the
> Claria dyes which made me very interested but then I saw the price! I am
> quite reluctant to spend the money for the 2 Claria dyes as a starter,
> or has someone figured out how to get these materials in smaller
> quantity at an affordable price?
>
> Thanks so much in advance.
>
> Cordially- Dan
>
> 
>
>
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--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "flambeauriver" <flambeauriver@...> wrote:
>

> I have spent days reading over posts in this group and it seems if you like the matte look you're good to go, but if you want the "Seagull" look with a glossy look it is tough.  Or do I have this wrong?
> 

I have been very pleased using Ilford Gold Fibre Silk with the UT-14 inks in an Epson 1400 printer.  At a fraction of the cost, Kirkland Glossy is quite good, also.  I generally use the Kirkland paper for proofing, and then make my final prints on GFS.  With the UT-14 inks, the cost is very reasonable.

I have posted QTR curves for these combinations.

David

Dan, I have been most amazed by the  Harman gloss FB Al paper, which 
seems now to run under the name "Harman by Hahnemuhle".

Not only does it look and feel like classic baryta air-dried 
photographic paper, but it even smells like it! When I opened my first 
box I couldn't believe it. My wife who used to print on Oriental Seagull 
was also very impressed. It actually is baryta based and has an alumina 
layer to pick up the ink. I think it comes in both white (with OBA) and 
natural (without OBA) versions.

These days I am trying it out in BO with the Claria inks on the 1400. 
Unfortunately I have only a few sheets left and haven't looked for the 
new Hahnemuhle version yet. But I've heard that they didn't change the 
formula. The price though... ?

Will keep you updated if I continue in this direction. There definitely 
is hope to find again our joys of the good old darkroom times...

Louis

On 17.01.2011 16:25, flambeauriver wrote:
> Before the digital era, I printed only B/W and usually on Oriental Seagull paper.  RIch blacks and the price was right.  I always bought glossy but never ferrotyped the prints, just drying them on screens or sometimes in a blotter book.
>
> I have spent days reading over posts in this group and it seems if you like the matte look you're good to go, but if you want the "Seagull" look with a glossy look it is tough.  Or do I have this wrong?
>
> Do you get used to a matte print and then spray it for glossy as needed?
>
> I have read Mr. Roark's pages concerning using the HP pigments or the Claria dyes which made me very interested but then I saw the price!  I am quite reluctant to spend the money for the 2 Claria dyes as a starter, or has someone figured out how to get these materials in smaller quantity at an affordable price?
>
> Thanks so much in advance.
>
> Cordially-  Dan
>
>
>
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See also here:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/Surface2.shtml

On 17.01.2011 16:25, flambeauriver wrote:
> Before the digital era, I printed only B/W and usually on Oriental Seagull paper.  RIch blacks and the price was right.  I always bought glossy but never ferrotyped the prints, just drying them on screens or sometimes in a blotter book.
>
> I have spent days reading over posts in this group and it seems if you like the matte look you're good to go, but if you want the "Seagull" look with a glossy look it is tough.  Or do I have this wrong?
>
> Do you get used to a matte print and then spray it for glossy as needed?
>
> I have read Mr. Roark's pages concerning using the HP pigments or the Claria dyes which made me very interested but then I saw the price!  I am quite reluctant to spend the money for the 2 Claria dyes as a starter, or has someone figured out how to get these materials in smaller quantity at an affordable price?
>
> Thanks so much in advance.
>
> Cordially-  Dan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>