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ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

2011-02-26 by drake.david42

Hello

first post on this group.
I've just printed an ink pattern page to discover the UV transmission of the various inks with my process. 
I'm just a little stumped by the wild assortment of colors which don't really make sense. The light blacks turn magenta. The light magenta turns cyan after 35. The yellow turns green after 65. 
Perhaps there is reason for this but I just wanted to confirm with someone out there. 

I am concerned because of the color management issues with CS4. I have been using 'printer manages colors' as you are not able to use 'no color management' 

I am using Mac 10.5 with CS4

thanks 
david

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

2011-02-26 by James Higgins

Assign sRGB, it won't work otherwise. 

Print with Calibration Mode on in QTR, Photoshop Manages Color, Perceptual, Black Point Compensation, and sRGB as the printer profile. 



On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:18 PM, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@...> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> first post on this group.
> I've just printed an ink pattern page to discover the UV transmission of the various inks with my process. 
> I'm just a little stumped by the wild assortment of colors which don't really make sense. The light blacks turn magenta. The light magenta turns cyan after 35. The yellow turns green after 65. 
> Perhaps there is reason for this but I just wanted to confirm with someone out there. 
> 
> I am concerned because of the color management issues with CS4. I have been using 'printer manages colors' as you are not able to use 'no color management' 
> 
> I am using Mac 10.5 with CS4
> 
> thanks 
> david
> 
> 


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Re: ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

2011-02-28 by drake.david42

james,

I'm getting virtually the same result with your new settings. 
The cyan starts out fine and then becomes green by around 50. the yellow turns brown at 25 and then green at 70. 
the light and light light black both turn pink. Light magenta turns cyan at at exactly 37 1/2. 
It all very wacky.
I have no idea what is happening.
help!

david



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, James Higgins <jameshiggins77@...> wrote:
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> Assign sRGB, it won't work otherwise. 
> 
> Print with Calibration Mode on in QTR, Photoshop Manages Color, Perceptual, Black Point Compensation, and sRGB as the printer profile. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:18 PM, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello
> > 
> > first post on this group.
> > I've just printed an ink pattern page to discover the UV transmission of the various inks with my process. 
> > I'm just a little stumped by the wild assortment of colors which don't really make sense. The light blacks turn magenta. The light magenta turns cyan after 35. The yellow turns green after 65. 
> > Perhaps there is reason for this but I just wanted to confirm with someone out there. 
> > 
> > I am concerned because of the color management issues with CS4. I have been using 'printer manages colors' as you are not able to use 'no color management' 
> > 
> > I am using Mac 10.5 with CS4
> > 
> > thanks 
> > david
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

2011-03-03 by drake.david42

I think I found the problem in Adobe Forums:

"...yes, printing in OS X 10.5.8/10.6.2 and Photoshop CS4 with certain driver (notably the recent Epson drivers) is problematic. The reason is that Apple, in their infinite wisdom (NOT) has decided there is no such thing as an "intentionally untagged file". So, unless the print driver reports CORRECTLY under both the application _AND_ ColorSync what the correct ICC profile is, ColorSync will "helpfully" to a transform from untagged to "Generic RGB"...which in the case of printing intentionally untagged targets, will totally screw up up the process...
 
If you can, print out with an earlier version of Photoshop (before CS4) or, alternatively in CS4 take the target and actually "assign" and arbitrary color space profile such as Adobe RGB. Then in the CS4 Photoshop Print dlog, be sure to select the ICC profile "Adobe RGB" as the color space and then inside the printer dlog be sure to select "No Color Management". What this does is "fools" ColorSync to avoid an unwanted (and unwarranted) arbitrary color space transform of the printer target..."

(http://forums.adobe.com/thread/501124)

Unfortunately, the problem with this solution is that you can't select 'No Color Management" with the QTR driver.
So it looks like my only avenue is purchasing CS3.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> 
>  james,
> 
> I'm getting virtually the same result with your new settings. 
> The cyan starts out fine and then becomes green by around 50. the yellow turns brown at 25 and then green at 70. 
> the light and light light black both turn pink. Light magenta turns cyan at at exactly 37 1/2. 
> It all very wacky.
> I have no idea what is happening.
> help!
> 
> david
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, James Higgins <jameshiggins77@> wrote:
> >
> > Assign sRGB, it won't work otherwise. 
> > 
> > Print with Calibration Mode on in QTR, Photoshop Manages Color, Perceptual, Black Point Compensation, and sRGB as the printer profile. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:18 PM, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello
> > > 
> > > first post on this group.
> > > I've just printed an ink pattern page to discover the UV transmission of the various inks with my process. 
> > > I'm just a little stumped by the wild assortment of colors which don't really make sense. The light blacks turn magenta. The light magenta turns cyan after 35. The yellow turns green after 65. 
> > > Perhaps there is reason for this but I just wanted to confirm with someone out there. 
> > > 
> > > I am concerned because of the color management issues with CS4. I have been using 'printer manages colors' as you are not able to use 'no color management' 
> > > 
> > > I am using Mac 10.5 with CS4
> > > 
> > > thanks 
> > > david
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

2011-03-04 by Janet Reider

Something tells me this is my problem - I will  try a print using CS3 (still
alive on my MAC) and see what happens.   It's also possible that having an
OS X 6.2 (Snow Leopard) might get me into a different kind of trouble.  I'll
see.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:10 PM, drake.david42 <drake.david42@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I think I found the problem in Adobe Forums:
>
> "...yes, printing in OS X 10.5.8/10.6.2 and Photoshop CS4 with certain
> driver (notably the recent Epson drivers) is problematic. The reason is that
> Apple, in their infinite wisdom (NOT) has decided there is no such thing as
> an "intentionally untagged file". So, unless the print driver reports
> CORRECTLY under both the application _AND_ ColorSync what the correct ICC
> profile is, ColorSync will "helpfully" to a transform from untagged to
> "Generic RGB"...which in the case of printing intentionally untagged
> targets, will totally screw up up the process...
>
> If you can, print out with an earlier version of Photoshop (before CS4) or,
> alternatively in CS4 take the target and actually "assign" and arbitrary
> color space profile such as Adobe RGB. Then in the CS4 Photoshop Print dlog,
> be sure to select the ICC profile "Adobe RGB" as the color space and then
> inside the printer dlog be sure to select "No Color Management". What this
> does is "fools" ColorSync to avoid an unwanted (and unwarranted) arbitrary
> color space transform of the printer target..."
>
> (http://forums.adobe.com/thread/501124)
>
> Unfortunately, the problem with this solution is that you can't select 'No
> Color Management" with the QTR driver.
> So it looks like my only avenue is purchasing CS3.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > james,
> >
> > I'm getting virtually the same result with your new settings.
> > The cyan starts out fine and then becomes green by around 50. the yellow
> turns brown at 25 and then green at 70.
> > the light and light light black both turn pink. Light magenta turns cyan
> at at exactly 37 1/2.
> > It all very wacky.
> > I have no idea what is happening.
> > help!
> >
> > david
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, James Higgins <jameshiggins77@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Assign sRGB, it won't work otherwise.
> > >
> > > Print with Calibration Mode on in QTR, Photoshop Manages Color,
> Perceptual, Black Point Compensation, and sRGB as the printer profile.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 26, 2011, at 5:18 PM, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello
> > > >
> > > > first post on this group.
> > > > I've just printed an ink pattern page to discover the UV transmission
> of the various inks with my process.
> > > > I'm just a little stumped by the wild assortment of colors which
> don't really make sense. The light blacks turn magenta. The light magenta
> turns cyan after 35. The yellow turns green after 65.
> > > > Perhaps there is reason for this but I just wanted to confirm with
> someone out there.
> > > >
> > > > I am concerned because of the color management issues with CS4. I
> have been using 'printer manages colors' as you are not able to use 'no
> color management'
> > > >
> > > > I am using Mac 10.5 with CS4
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > david
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Janet Sampson Reider
JSR Photography
www.janetreider.com


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Re: ink pattern page calibration mode -need confirmation

2011-03-04 by dkosiur

See my message of Feb 28, 2011 (#9260) documenting the steps I took to successfully print an ink separation page on my Mac using OSX 10.6.6 and Photoshop CS5.

Dave

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "drake.david42" <drake.david42@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello
> 
> first post on this group.
> I've just printed an ink pattern page to discover the UV transmission of the various inks with my process. 
> I'm just a little stumped by the wild assortment of colors which don't really make sense. The light blacks turn magenta. The light magenta turns cyan after 35. The yellow turns green after 65. 
> Perhaps there is reason for this but I just wanted to confirm with someone out there. 
> 
> I am concerned because of the color management issues with CS4. I have been using 'printer manages colors' as you are not able to use 'no color management' 
> 
> I am using Mac 10.5 with CS4
> 
> thanks 
> david
>

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