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2011-05-12 by Mel
On the QTR interface I have four choices of paper for the Epson 1290 using UT2 inks. Epson Enhanced Matte Epson Premium Luster Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Hahnemuhle William Turner QTR does not differentiate between Matte Black and Photo Black UT2 inks. Am I correct in thinking I use Photo Black on Luster paper and Matte Black on Matte paper, or is it preferable to use Matte Black on Luster paper ? Any help would be appreciated Mel
2011-05-12 by edward wiseman
Mel.. Use Matte black (ebony) for matte paper, and Photo black on lustre, glossy or semi-glossy papers.. Eddie
----- Original Message -----
From: Mel
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:12 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Epson 1290 and UT2 with Eboni or Photo Black
On the QTR interface I have four choices of paper for the Epson 1290 using UT2 inks.
Epson Enhanced Matte
Epson Premium Luster
Hahnemuhle Photo Rag
Hahnemuhle William Turner
QTR does not differentiate between Matte Black and Photo Black UT2 inks.
Am I correct in thinking I use Photo Black on Luster paper and Matte Black on Matte paper, or is it preferable to use Matte Black on Luster paper ?
Any help would be appreciated
Mel
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-12 by Mel
Thanks Eddie, I wonder if anyone has tried using the Eboni ink on the Luster paper - Paul Roark says he uses Eboni Black for Glossy papers and adjusts the curves. Mel --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
> > Mel.. > Use Matte black (ebony) for matte paper, and Photo black on lustre, glossy or semi-glossy papers.. > > Eddie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mel > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:12 PM > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Epson 1290 and UT2 with Eboni or Photo Black > > > > On the QTR interface I have four choices of paper for the Epson 1290 using UT2 inks. > > Epson Enhanced Matte > Epson Premium Luster > Hahnemuhle Photo Rag > Hahnemuhle William Turner > > QTR does not differentiate between Matte Black and Photo Black UT2 inks. > > Am I correct in thinking I use Photo Black on Luster paper and Matte Black on Matte paper, or is it preferable to use Matte Black on Luster paper ? > > Any help would be appreciated > > Mel > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-05-13 by edward wiseman
I have used it with good results, but it MUST be sprayed with something like "Premiere Art Shield , other wise the "ebony" black will "scuff / be susceptible to flaking off the slick surface of glossy or Lustre..Actually I spray ALL my prints with this stuff for protection from uv fading and other aerial contaminants.. Eddie
----- Original Message -----
From: Mel
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Epson 1290 and UT2 with Eboni or Photo Black
Thanks Eddie, I wonder if anyone has tried using the Eboni ink on the Luster paper - Paul Roark says he uses Eboni Black for Glossy papers and adjusts the curves.
Mel
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
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> Mel..
> Use Matte black (ebony) for matte paper, and Photo black on lustre, glossy or semi-glossy papers..
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> Eddie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mel
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:12 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Epson 1290 and UT2 with Eboni or Photo Black
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> On the QTR interface I have four choices of paper for the Epson 1290 using UT2 inks.
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> Epson Enhanced Matte
> Epson Premium Luster
> Hahnemuhle Photo Rag
> Hahnemuhle William Turner
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> QTR does not differentiate between Matte Black and Photo Black UT2 inks.
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> Am I correct in thinking I use Photo Black on Luster paper and Matte Black on Matte paper, or is it preferable to use Matte Black on Luster paper ?
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> Any help would be appreciated
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> Mel
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-06-29 by Mel
Well I just answered my own question. I opened the Curve Creator tool and looked at the inks Roy has used. The UT2 Black ink is not actually used with the Luster paper it's just a mixture of rest in the positions of C, M, LC and LM with addition of Y for Sepia. It would be nice if someone could produce a step by step "Idiots Guide" for we 1290 users for producing QTR curves - surely someone has done their own curves for this printer. Mel --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <chilterns@...> wrote:
> > Thanks Eddie, I wonder if anyone has tried using the Eboni ink on the Luster paper - Paul Roark says he uses Eboni Black for Glossy papers and adjusts the curves. > > Mel > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@> wrote: > > > > Mel.. > > Use Matte black (ebony) for matte paper, and Photo black on lustre, glossy or semi-glossy papers.. > > > > Eddie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mel > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:12 PM > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Epson 1290 and UT2 with Eboni or Photo Black > > > > > > > > On the QTR interface I have four choices of paper for the Epson 1290 using UT2 inks. > > > > Epson Enhanced Matte > > Epson Premium Luster > > Hahnemuhle Photo Rag > > Hahnemuhle William Turner > > > > QTR does not differentiate between Matte Black and Photo Black UT2 inks. > > > > Am I correct in thinking I use Photo Black on Luster paper and Matte Black on Matte paper, or is it preferable to use Matte Black on Luster paper ? > > > > Any help would be appreciated > > > > Mel > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2011-07-04 by David
Mel, I haven't used UT2 or the Epson 1290, but I have made curves for UT14 and the Epson 1440. I think that the two inksets are similar, except for the sepia ink in the yellow position of UT2. UT14 doesn't have sepia. I don't have a full tutorial, but here are some suggestions of how to get started.: 1. For a given paper, plan to make at least two curves, one for cool and one for warm. Depending on your interests, you may want to make a third set that includes the the sepia. After you make the curves, you can control the tone of your prints by mixing the warm, cool and sepia curves using QTR. 2. For a glossy paper (and lustre papers, I think), use the Photo Black ink. For matte papers use the Eboni black. 3. Make a print of the ink separation file and measure the densities, by whatever means you have available. 4. For each of the curves, the black ink will be the most dense, so you set the overall ink limit based on the level that gives you the maximum density. 5. For the cool curve, there will be two additional inks, the cyan and the light cyan. Follow the instructions in the tutorials for how to set the relative densities of these inks. 6. For the warm curve, the two additional inks will be magenta and light magenta. Now, having written the above, I just took a look at the UT2 curves that are provided with QTR. It looks as though the warm curves use just black, magenta and light magenta, as I described above. But, the cool curves include a little bit of magenta and light magenta along with the cyan and light cyan. I don't know why that would have been done. Perhaps Roy, or whoever created the curves, thought that the cyan and light cyan were too cool, or maybe it was to get smoother gradations. In either case, I think that the same effect could be obtained by mixing a warm and cool curve within QTR. For a sepia curve, you can start with the warm curve and add in the sepia. After generating initial curves, you will need to linearize them, as described in the tutorials. I hope this is a bit of help. David --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <chilterns@...> wrote:
> > Well I just answered my own question. > > I opened the Curve Creator tool and looked at the inks Roy has used. > > The UT2 Black ink is not actually used with the Luster paper it's just a mixture of rest in the positions of C, M, LC and LM with addition of Y for Sepia. > > It would be nice if someone could produce a step by step "Idiots Guide" for we 1290 users for producing QTR curves - surely someone has done their own curves for this printer. > > Mel > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <chilterns@> wrote:
2011-07-05 by Mel
Yes David thanks very much for your advice and trouble - that's a great help. Mel --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dpgoldenberg33@...> wrote:
> > Mel, > I haven't used UT2 or the Epson 1290, but I have made curves for UT14 and the Epson 1440. I think that the two inksets are similar, except for the sepia ink in the yellow position of UT2. UT14 doesn't have sepia. > > I don't have a full tutorial, but here are some suggestions of how to get started.: > > 1. For a given paper, plan to make at least two curves, one for cool and one for warm. Depending on your interests, you may want to make a third set that includes the the sepia. After you make the curves, you can control the tone of your prints by mixing the warm, cool and sepia curves using QTR. > > 2. For a glossy paper (and lustre papers, I think), use the Photo Black ink. For matte papers use the Eboni black. > > 3. Make a print of the ink separation file and measure the densities, by whatever means you have available. > > 4. For each of the curves, the black ink will be the most dense, so you set the overall ink limit based on the level that gives you the maximum density. > > 5. For the cool curve, there will be two additional inks, the cyan and the light cyan. Follow the instructions in the tutorials for how to set the relative densities of these inks. > > 6. For the warm curve, the two additional inks will be magenta and light magenta. > > Now, having written the above, I just took a look at the UT2 curves that are provided with QTR. It looks as though the warm curves use just black, magenta and light magenta, as I described above. But, the cool curves include a little bit of magenta and light magenta along with the cyan and light cyan. I don't know why that would have been done. Perhaps Roy, or whoever created the curves, thought that the cyan and light cyan were too cool, or maybe it was to get smoother gradations. In either case, I think that the same effect could be obtained by mixing a warm and cool curve within QTR. > > For a sepia curve, you can start with the warm curve and add in the sepia. > > After generating initial curves, you will need to linearize them, as described in the tutorials. > > I hope this is a bit of help. > > David > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <chilterns@> wrote: > > > > Well I just answered my own question. > > > > I opened the Curve Creator tool and looked at the inks Roy has used. > > > > The UT2 Black ink is not actually used with the Luster paper it's just a mixture of rest in the positions of C, M, LC and LM with addition of Y for Sepia. > > > > It would be nice if someone could produce a step by step "Idiots Guide" for we 1290 users for producing QTR curves - surely someone has done their own curves for this printer. > > > > Mel > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <chilterns@> wrote: >