QTR-Quadtone RIP

I am looking for some advice on the following:

I have a 9800 setup for dye sublimation using only cmyk color set. There are no light colors as all.

I want to be able to print more accurate black and white images with the dye sub ink.

Has anyone used Quadtonerip for this type of situation and/or what kind of pointers do you have?

Thanks for any help!

Howdy,
Not sure how you have your 9800 set up but if your only running cmyk that says your already using a rip.. as your either running dual cmyk's  or have 4 channels shut off. Sublimation has added parts to it that are critical in getting your colors right...even blacks.. 
I don't know what rip your using but you should be able to work out your issues with it and a profile.. With sublimation your colors are never where they want to be until you went thru a heat cycle.. What I do it get my cycles worked out for a medium and print swatches and read them off the finished product after they've gone thru the heat cycle.. I'm doing tiles and metal materials so it's feasible ...Not sure how well that would work on certain fabrics.. 
I'm assuming you print color also as there would be no point in having the other inks.. I suspect you have more of a profiling issue then anything else.. I don't know what inks your using but sawgrass has artainium inks that will fill all your slots... including the light shades.. You may want to look into that.. If your only doing black...and that's it you may want to consider looking into screening also...

jimbo 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bgphoto100 
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:02 AM
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Dye Sublimation 4 Color CMYK setup


    
  I am looking for some advice on the following:

  I have a 9800 setup for dye sublimation using only cmyk color set. There are no light colors as all.

  I want to be able to print more accurate black and white images with the dye sub ink.

  Has anyone used Quadtonerip for this type of situation and/or what kind of pointers do you have?

  Thanks for any help!



  

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Thanks for your input.

I am currently running with cmyk inks out of the printers left side and cleaning ink on the right. You are correct about running a rip. I am currently using the colorburst rip for color and that is working out pretty well. Colors are extremely close on my final substrate. The inks I am running are from Graphics One and I am satisfied at this point. I had looked at the Sawgrass ink and found it to be expensive and heard of clogging issues from others.

I am attempting to build a black and white setup with Quadtone RIP but had some questions regarding the ink characterization since I am only running cmyk. All the characterization and curve information deals with additional light colors whether they are light blacks or light cyan/magenta. Without them how do I properly create an ink characterization and curve for a neutral black and white print?

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:

>
> Howdy,
> Not sure how you have your 9800 set up but if your only running cmyk that says your already using a rip.. as your either running dual cmyk's  or have 4 channels shut off. Sublimation has added parts to it that are critical in getting your colors right...even blacks.. 
> I don't know what rip your using but you should be able to work out your issues with it and a profile.. With sublimation your colors are never where they want to be until you went thru a heat cycle.. What I do it get my cycles worked out for a medium and print swatches and read them off the finished product after they've gone thru the heat cycle.. I'm doing tiles and metal materials so it's feasible ...Not sure how well that would work on certain fabrics.. 
> I'm assuming you print color also as there would be no point in having the other inks.. I suspect you have more of a profiling issue then anything else.. I don't know what inks your using but sawgrass has artainium inks that will fill all your slots... including the light shades.. You may want to look into that.. If your only doing black...and that's it you may want to consider looking into screening also...
> 
> jimbo 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: bgphoto100 
>   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:02 AM
>   Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Dye Sublimation 4 Color CMYK setup
> 
> 
>     
>   I am looking for some advice on the following:
> 
>   I have a 9800 setup for dye sublimation using only cmyk color set. There are no light colors as all.
> 
>   I want to be able to print more accurate black and white images with the dye sub ink.
> 
>   Has anyone used Quadtonerip for this type of situation and/or what kind of pointers do you have?
> 
>   Thanks for any help!
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On 12/05/2011 05:35 AM, bgphoto100 wrote:
> Thanks for your input.
>
> I am currently running with cmyk inks out of the printers left side
> and cleaning ink on the right. You are correct about running a rip. I
> am currently using the colorburst rip for color and that is working
> out pretty well. Colors are extremely close on my final substrate.
> The inks I am running are from Graphics One and I am satisfied at
> this point. I had looked at the Sawgrass ink and found it to be
> expensive and heard of clogging issues from others.
>
> I am attempting to build a black and white setup with Quadtone RIP
> but had some questions regarding the ink characterization since I am
> only running cmyk. All the characterization and curve information
> deals with additional light colors whether they are light blacks or
> light cyan/magenta. Without them how do I properly create an ink
> characterization and curve for a neutral black and white print?
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo"<mrjimbo@...>  wrote:

Mix the black ink with cleaning ink to get grey inks for the side you 
run with cleaning inks right now? Together with the black already 
available you have 5 channels, 3 probably would be enough. QTR to create 
the partitioning + linearisation, it will be more difficult to get that 
done with Colorburst. The mixing might show a warmer than neutral grey 
range that can be compensated with the color inks available.

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Thanks! I thought about trying that but was reluctant. What mixture do you think I should setup in the LK and LLK channels? 

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <e.dinkla@...> wrote:

>
> On 12/05/2011 05:35 AM, bgphoto100 wrote:
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > I am currently running with cmyk inks out of the printers left side
> > and cleaning ink on the right. You are correct about running a rip. I
> > am currently using the colorburst rip for color and that is working
> > out pretty well. Colors are extremely close on my final substrate.
> > The inks I am running are from Graphics One and I am satisfied at
> > this point. I had looked at the Sawgrass ink and found it to be
> > expensive and heard of clogging issues from others.
> >
> > I am attempting to build a black and white setup with Quadtone RIP
> > but had some questions regarding the ink characterization since I am
> > only running cmyk. All the characterization and curve information
> > deals with additional light colors whether they are light blacks or
> > light cyan/magenta. Without them how do I properly create an ink
> > characterization and curve for a neutral black and white print?
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo"<mrjimbo@>  wrote:
> 
> Mix the black ink with cleaning ink to get grey inks for the side you 
> run with cleaning inks right now? Together with the black already 
> available you have 5 channels, 3 probably would be enough. QTR to create 
> the partitioning + linearisation, it will be more difficult to get that 
> done with Colorburst. The mixing might show a warmer than neutral grey 
> range that can be compensated with the color inks available.
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
> http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
> 
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> |         www.pigment-print.com        |
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>

On 12/05/2011 03:48 PM, bgphoto100 wrote:
> Thanks! I thought about trying that but was reluctant. What mixture do you think I should setup in the LK and LLK channels?

Check Paul Roark's mixes for different machines to get an idea. Of 
course you first have to check whether that ink mix actually has the 
specs you would expect of a sublimation ink.


-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm

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