Roland System 100m

hi list!
about the string sound on a 100m : i don't think this
synth is very good at it, maybe because you need a lot
of osc and polyphonie to achieve a good string sound.
the 100m with 184 kybd is very powerfull for power
chords or even soft abstract chords 'a la' Aphex twin.
and the arpegiator is kind of kool!
personaly, i'v never heard before a poly synt with so
much fatness AND precision
yours
olivier
3 191j + 184
4 Kobol exp 1/2 and programer

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> You right DUDE
> I have one question
> Did you realize some good strings with your modules
> ?
> I ve got 184 so I can easily patch et play some fat
> chords but I never obtain some good strings waves ?
> For bizarre monophonic sound, I create amazing
> feelin sounds but for playing tune and chord I feel
> little dissapointed by my system (or by my ability
> to control it) !!!!! Tell me
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> synth_ollie <synth_ollie@...> a \ufffdcrit :
> I mean there are over 60 members and it\ufffds totally
> dead.
> no one seems to have anything to say or share with
> the others... ??
> no tips or questions or anythying... ??? 
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> I dont use my system to do such "normal" sounds ;). 
> but maybe someone else 
> here does...
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> /OLLIE
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> >You right DUDE
> >I have one question
> >Did you realize some good strings with your modules
> ?
> >I ve got 184 so I can easily patch et play some fat
> chords but I never 
> >obtain some good strings waves ? For bizarre
> monophonic sound, I create 
> >amazing feelin sounds but for playing tune and
> chord I feel little 
> >dissapointed by my system (or by my ability to
> control it) !!!!! Tell me
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> >synth_ollie <synth_ollie@...> a \ufffdcrit :
> >I mean there are over 60 members and it\ufffds totally
> dead.
> >no one seems to have anything to say or share with
> the others... ??
> >no tips or questions or anythying... ???
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> >/OLLIE
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> Hej  Ollie...
> Please forgive my scarceness on this site, but i
> have
> been very busy playing shows and working....You
> should
> try to put a multimode oberheim sem filter in there.
> Band pass, High pass, notch:  features in this
> system
> I truly miss,  Or an old moog style ladder like in
> early 2600s or the first system 100.  I still always
> use the early system 100 or 2600 for bass sounds.  
> Also, what about the idea of a voltage controlled
> resonance input on the vcf....you could use the
> voltage mixer to control the levels...The serge
> modulars as well as Arp 2500  have this feature. 
> Maybe you could cannibalise a roland dimension D and
> have a great chorus component in say the audio mixer
> module.
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> let me know what you think
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the main problem here I belive is that the 100m vcf´s lacks the
"lushiness" that synths that make good sting sounds has, like
the juno60 for example...

/OLLIE

>
> hi list!
> about the string sound on a 100m : i don't think this
> synth is very good at it, maybe because you need a lot
> of osc and polyphonie to achieve a good string sound.
> the 100m with 184 kybd is very powerfull for power
> chords or even soft abstract chords 'a la' Aphex twin.
> and the arpegiator is kind of kool!
> personaly, i'v never heard before a poly synt with so
> much fatness AND precision

I´ve had the kobol exp I & II + programmer also, but sold the rsf´s 
and expanded my 100m... ;)

/OLLIE
>
> You think ze  100M iz more fat than  your four  Kobol I/II ?? : )

--- In RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com, "synth_ollie" <synth_ollie@h...> wrote:
>
> the main problem here I belive is that the 100m vcf´s lacks the
> "lushiness" that synths that make good sting sounds has, like
> the juno60 for example...

the Juno 60 has a good chorus!!

the Juno 60 is polyphonic so even with a monophonic line you have the tail decay of one note 
still decaying when the next note plays.  

Someone like Tomita might have alternated notes via overdubs to use a mono instrument. 
Then again Tomita tried using 36 100m VCOs for some string sounds on "Grand Canyon 
Suite", And then again Tomita just samples his moogs these days as far as I've heard and 
didn't keep using the 18 modules for string sounds.

william....
 try to get a hold of a roland dimension d and  boss
rx 100 (or roland rv 100, or re 201...), I use
sometimes the roland paraphonic 505 string and synth
machine...It has the same built in  three mode chorus
also found in the dimension d. Mode three allows for
glorious stereo phasing chorus.  I run external synths
throught the ensemble effect like my 100m.  Just two
osc monophonic it sound like an arp string
ensemble....I really love these old roland ensemble
effects myself...The roland rs 09 string and organ
synth has great chorus as well with an ext in.  Also I
have been considering getting a boss ce 1
chorus/vibrato - legend has it it is the warmest
mushiest chorusever made.....I have tried running my
mxr digital delay - maybe one of the best delays ever
made - between the oscs and the filter so that the
effect is more implicit, more integrated with the
patch......But truly, the one order of business that i
can't do without is the spring reverb...It turns lead
into gold......

sean
--- William Hunter <blakeneycastle@...> wrote:

> The reason that people associate the polysynths with
> rich string 
> sounds is primarily because of the primitive chorus
> effects built 
> in, rather than the filters.   The 172 audio delay
> module is very 
> helpful for getting that characteristic thick sound
> on a 100m.  
> (Especially if you have a pair and can run them in
> stereo).   Also, 
> if you have a 184 keyboard, it is very effective to
> have the voices 
> assigned left to right like a real string ensemble -
> voice one with 
> a bass patch, woice two with a cello, voice three
> with a viola, 
> voice four with a violin.
> 
> 
> --- In RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com,
> "nicholas_kent" 
> <nicholas_kent@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com,
> "synth_ollie" 
> <synth_ollie@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > the main problem here I belive is that the 100m
> vcf\ufffds lacks the
> > > "lushiness" that synths that make good sting
> sounds has, like
> > > the juno60 for example...
> > 
> > the Juno 60 has a good chorus!!
> > 
> > the Juno 60 is polyphonic so even with a
> monophonic line you have 
> the tail decay of one note 
> > still decaying when the next note plays.  
> > 
> > Someone like Tomita might have alternated notes
> via overdubs to 
> use a mono instrument. 
> > Then again Tomita tried using 36 100m VCOs for
> some string sounds 
> on "Grand Canyon 
> > Suite", And then again Tomita just samples his
> moogs these days as 
> far as I've heard and 
> > didn't keep using the 18 modules for string
> sounds.
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> 



	
		
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yes the chorus adds of course a great deal to a rich string sound,
but in this case I believe it also depends a lot on the filters,
since the 100m vcf´s in my opinion lacks the richness and warmth
that you need to make a good strings sound,
thats why I´m replacing 8 of my 15 100m filters with other filter 
cirquits... ;)

also I do not understand why people are trying to make such boring 
sounds as strings with a modular syntesizer.... ;) 


/OLLIE

> The reason that people associate the polysynths with
> rich string 
> sounds is primarily because of the primitive chorus
> effects built 
> in, rather than the filters.   The 172 audio delay
> module is very 
> helpful for getting that characteristic thick sound
> on a 100m.  
> (Especially if you have a pair and can run them in
> stereo).   Also, 
> if you have a 184 keyboard, it is very effective to
> have the voices 
> assigned left to right like a real string ensemble -
> voice one with 
> a bass patch, woice two with a cello, voice three
> with a viola, 
> voice four with a violin.
>