Got that suit zipped up yet?
No seriously, there's been tons of rumors floating around about the
notoriously drift-ridden VCOs that were in the Buchla 200, most of which I
think stems from Mort Subotnick's statements in Vail's Vintage Synth book.
Please keep in mind three arguments against that:
1) Mort was speaking about the Buchla 100 VCO's in that statement, which
were as about as stable as anything else released in the late 60's
2) The 258 VCO used the very same heated transistor pair that the Minimoog
version 2 did in their VCOs - the UA728, which was considered state of the
art back then and the single biggest weapon in the 'war against drift' in
both those circuits and it's always a chuckle to me that I don't hear a lot
about the instability of the minimoogs.
3) You guys ever try an Arp 2500 VCO or Putney VCS3? You wanna hear drift?
Try those babies on for size.
So, I'm not saying the 200 was the most stable thing in the world, but it
was better than a few at the time.
I remember at the 2001 Namm show in Anaheim I was speaking to the guys at
Technosaurus who said point blank - their [analog] VCOs do not drift. Not
feeling like getting into it I just open my eyes wide and said something
like 'REALLY?....woooOOOOooow. Fact is, this is complete nonsense.
A) ALL analog VCOs drift
B) IMHO, drift is one of the most overrated criteria in VCOs and I think for
many gets in the way of judging the overall musicality of the instrument.
C) And I don't know if this is a fact, but from what I've now read on the
lists about the 259e and the (until we know for sure) rumor of DSP, Don
addresses the issue of drift and does the only thing he can to make it go
away - goes digital - and still people comment! Give the guy a break!
D) The original Buchla 200 was not designed to be played like an equal
tempered instrument and because of its size and weight I would say more akin
to studio work - re-tuning every once in a while does not outweigh the
mindblow of having that instrument under your fingers.
peace,
Peter
t there, darkstr1746@... wrote:
-------------- Original message --------------
why isn't anyone thinking the obvious...
and buy a buchla 200e for 20,000 O_o
.................because after 30 years the guy still doesn't know how to
compensate for temperature drift!! LMAO!!!..... or the obvious, it's still
overpriced with no gaurantee of support years down the line. Lets face it,
Don is a great designer and that's as far as it goes. Why do ya think all
the universities stopped dealing with him ages ago?. Oh my god..... now i've
shot off my mouth. I'm a gonna go get my flame suit on and head for the
boondocks. I got the itchy twitchys 'cause i'm going through caffiene
withdrawls, so i'm not responsible for what i'm saying. LOL.My naturopath is
tellin' me i better do something to lower my blood pressure so i gotta give
up a serious life long addiction. Bummer Ted : ( Up till now my motto
has been, "Coffee!..you can sleep when your dead!!"
kind regards
john duval
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No seriously, there's been tons of rumors floating around about the
notoriously drift-ridden VCOs that were in the Buchla 200, most of which I
think stems from Mort Subotnick's statements in Vail's Vintage Synth book.
Please keep in mind three arguments against that:
1) Mort was speaking about the Buchla 100 VCO's in that statement, which
were as about as stable as anything else released in the late 60's
2) The 258 VCO used the very same heated transistor pair that the Minimoog
version 2 did in their VCOs - the UA728, which was considered state of the
art back then and the single biggest weapon in the 'war against drift' in
both those circuits and it's always a chuckle to me that I don't hear a lot
about the instability of the minimoogs.
3) You guys ever try an Arp 2500 VCO or Putney VCS3? You wanna hear drift?
Try those babies on for size.
So, I'm not saying the 200 was the most stable thing in the world, but it
was better than a few at the time.
I remember at the 2001 Namm show in Anaheim I was speaking to the guys at
Technosaurus who said point blank - their [analog] VCOs do not drift. Not
feeling like getting into it I just open my eyes wide and said something
like 'REALLY?....woooOOOOooow. Fact is, this is complete nonsense.
A) ALL analog VCOs drift
B) IMHO, drift is one of the most overrated criteria in VCOs and I think for
many gets in the way of judging the overall musicality of the instrument.
C) And I don't know if this is a fact, but from what I've now read on the
lists about the 259e and the (until we know for sure) rumor of DSP, Don
addresses the issue of drift and does the only thing he can to make it go
away - goes digital - and still people comment! Give the guy a break!
D) The original Buchla 200 was not designed to be played like an equal
tempered instrument and because of its size and weight I would say more akin
to studio work - re-tuning every once in a while does not outweigh the
mindblow of having that instrument under your fingers.
peace,
Peter
t there, darkstr1746@... wrote:
-------------- Original message --------------
why isn't anyone thinking the obvious...
and buy a buchla 200e for 20,000 O_o
.................because after 30 years the guy still doesn't know how to
compensate for temperature drift!! LMAO!!!..... or the obvious, it's still
overpriced with no gaurantee of support years down the line. Lets face it,
Don is a great designer and that's as far as it goes. Why do ya think all
the universities stopped dealing with him ages ago?. Oh my god..... now i've
shot off my mouth. I'm a gonna go get my flame suit on and head for the
boondocks. I got the itchy twitchys 'cause i'm going through caffiene
withdrawls, so i'm not responsible for what i'm saying. LOL.My naturopath is
tellin' me i better do something to lower my blood pressure so i gotta give
up a serious life long addiction. Bummer Ted : ( Up till now my motto
has been, "Coffee!..you can sleep when your dead!!"
kind regards
john duval
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