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Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by Ioannis Kazlaris

Hi list,

what do you people do when it comes to documenting your patches? Do you make diagrams? Do you sample your patches? I thought that if I finally decide to buy the Serge I'd be happy with a digital camera to take shots... LOL

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by Chris Whitten

If it's a patch I need for a serious project, I either leave it in place
until the project is complete, or sample it - just the mere act of sampling
changes the sound IMO, let alone the endless tweakability while the patch is
still 'live' so to speak.
To be honest, I've just learnt to get over it and approach sounds anew every
time I switch on the Serge.

Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by john duval

I've had the same patch up for about three months now.
I've recorded it but still some changes need to be
made. I used to write them down, graph them out. I
even went so far as to take the templates that rex
would send of my panels when they were nearing
completion and make copies and past them all together
and then draw in the patch cords and make little lines
on the pots. When the system appoached eight panels i
gave up. Can you picture it?? a bunch of Exrox copies
scotch taped together that when unrolled totaled about
five feet..... LOL... i could have wallpapered my
studio with serge patch diagrams. Now i just say
"screw it". If i can't remember it, it wasn't worth
keeping.
Kind regards
john duval

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--- Chris Whitten <cw.chris@...> wrote:

> If it's a patch I need for a serious project, I
> either leave it in place
> until the project is complete, or sample it - just
> the mere act of sampling
> changes the sound IMO, let alone the endless
> tweakability while the patch is
> still 'live' so to speak.
> To be honest, I've just learnt to get over it and
> approach sounds anew every
> time I switch on the Serge.
>

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by John P

Sometimes I'll mix up a few gallons of epoxy and pour it on the patched
up Serge.
It prevents the knobs from jiggling on a carefully done patch. And then
all the patchcords can be pulled out all at once.

john duval wrote:

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>I've had the same patch up for about three months now.
>I've recorded it but still some changes need to be
>made. I used to write them down, graph them out. I
>even went so far as to take the templates that rex
>would send of my panels when they were nearing
>completion and make copies and past them all together
>and then draw in the patch cords and make little lines
>on the pots. When the system appoached eight panels i
>gave up. Can you picture it?? a bunch of Exrox copies
>scotch taped together that when unrolled totaled about
>five feet..... LOL... i could have wallpapered my
>studio with serge patch diagrams. Now i just say
>"screw it". If i can't remember it, it wasn't worth
>keeping.
> Kind regards
> john duval
>
>
>

Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by John Loffink

I don’t document patches. For a moderate sized modular synthesizer this gets to be cumbersome and inaccurate. It is good for a learning tool, but not much more.

If this is critical to you I recommend a virtual modular. Of course, then you lose the real time features of a real modular.

John Loffink

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http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-25 by Fernando

For me, the best is to do a diagram of the conections.
Then anotate the "starting values" of the most important knobs. And further variations.
This is still nothing, since there is plenty of interactivity between all modules, functions,
signals, etc. and each time you run the circuit must be "tuned" to get NEAR wat you had
yesterday after lunch.
So it's good to take photos with a digi camera of the patches.
Then store the diagram and notes together with the pictures, and reference any recording
to that materials.

f
*

P.S. After all this you are still not completely covered, but when archeologists find the
rests of you, your synth and your patch archives, wil know you was working seriously on
something, for shure.
Same said for the sons of your sons.
Anyhow, this won't be very useful the time the planet is just inhabited by insects. Unless
your synth still works.

Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-25 by Fernando

Also, the best is to write down what the concept of the patch was. So you can get deeper
and deeper (this may result in simpler and simpler sometimes)

Something like:
-------
"Sharp Sparks"
Random triggered hig energy transients with different very short decay resonances. The
res freq depends on how long the gates are.
Variation: joystick controls speed at wich the trigger pulses occur (y) and their -micro-
duration (x)
Variation: two photocells instead of joystick x and y
-------

This way you can explore many diferent ways of getting that sound/behaviour/music.
You fix something by writing the description down, but the thing is still free. After all
analog synths are "infinite music machines" and any attempt of capturing it's "cosmic flow"
normally yield less lively results.
In a way the analog synth is an oracle, like Tarot cards, I ching... in fact anything if you
look at it from the synchronicity approach...

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Fernando" <fdi@r...> wrote:
> For me, the best is to do a diagram of the conections.
> Then anotate the "starting values" of the most important knobs. And further variations.
> This is still nothing, since there is plenty of interactivity between all modules, functions,
> signals, etc. and each time you run the circuit must be "tuned" to get NEAR wat you had
> yesterday after lunch.
> So it's good to take photos with a digi camera of the patches.
> Then store the diagram and notes together with the pictures, and reference any
recording
> to that materials.
>
>
> f
> *
>
>
> P.S. After all this you are still not completely covered, but when archeologists find the
> rests of you, your synth and your patch archives, wil know you was working seriously on
> something, for shure.
> Same said for the sons of your sons.
> Anyhow, this won't be very useful the time the planet is just inhabited by insects. Unless
> your synth still works.