SergeModular

On 2/28/08, kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@...> wrote:

Hi there,

This is my first post.

I have a possibly crazy desire to create a lap-top mini modular synth,
probably about the size of a single serge panel. I want to be able to
sit on my sofa with this thing on my lap as a sonic playground /
sketchpad / toy (there I just admitted it) and noodle around making
otherworldly patches without any outboard equipment.

I just wanted to ask you guys if you think this is remotely plausible
with the serge M series. What does a complete M-boat housing look
like (I've seen the individual M-odules, but how about a complete system)?

I want the system to have at least a basic sequencer, 2 OSCs and a
filter, perhaps a bit like an Animal, but with a sequencer built in.
I'm mainly thinking of doing feedback-based stuff, FM and
noisy/klanging pitched sequences. It's such a bummer they stopped
doing custom panels...

KKKONNNKKRETE

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM, kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@...> wrote:

Hi there,

This is my first post.

I have a possibly crazy desire to create a lap-top mini modular synth,
probably about the size of a single serge panel. I want to be able to
sit on my sofa with this thing on my lap as a sonic playground /
sketchpad / toy (there I just admitted it) and noodle around making
otherworldly patches without any outboard equipment.

I just wanted to ask you guys if you think this is remotely plausible
with the serge M series. What does a complete M-boat housing look
like (I've seen the individual M-odules, but how about a complete system)?

I want the system to have at least a basic sequencer, 2 OSCs and a
filter, perhaps a bit like an Animal, but with a sequencer built in.
I'm mainly thinking of doing feedback-based stuff, FM and
noisy/klanging pitched sequences. It's such a bummer they stopped
doing custom panels...

KKKONNNKKRETE

Yes, Yulian --

All you need is a "Dual mono 1/4" plug "Y" => Stereo 1/4" jack"
adaptor cable -- Then your GRADO phones will do the trick (in stereo)!

Chip_P.

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@...> wrote:
>
> >I just wanted to ask you guys if you think this is remotely plausible
> >with the serge M series.
>
> Sure, that would work fine. The M-boat is only a few inches deep,
about 17 inches wide and 7 inches high.
>
> >I want the system to have at least a basic sequencer, 2 OSCs and a
> >filter, perhaps a bit like an Animal, but with a sequencer built in.
> >I'm mainly thinking of doing feedback-based stuff, FM and
> >noisy/klanging pitched sequences.
>
> A system made from the Creature and the Sequencer-A panel would meet
your requirements easily. :)
>
> Best Regards, James
> --
> http://www.carbon111.com
>

>
>
> Hi all --
>
> Thanks so much for all your quick and helpful replies!
>
> The combination Carbon111 suggests (Creature+SeqA) is one of the main
> options I was considering. But I still haven't got my head around the
> CV Timegen Oscs in the Creature. Can they do waveforms other than saw
> and triangle? Also from your online review, you made it sound it
> wasn't really ideal as an audio oscillator -- are they stable enough
> to set up linear FM patches? Do you have any demo mp3's? One other
> question, can I use the bottom cell of the Timegen Clock as AR
> envelopes? I'm still getting used to the Serge logic ...
>
> Thanks again,
> Kkonkkrete
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>, Carbon111 <carbon111@...> wrote:
> >
> > >I just wanted to ask you guys if you think this is remotely plausible
> > >with the serge M series.
> >
> > Sure, that would work fine. The M-boat is only a few inches deep,
> about 17 inches wide and 7 inches high.
> >
> > >I want the system to have at least a basic sequencer, 2 OSCs and a
> > >filter, perhaps a bit like an Animal, but with a sequencer built in.
> > >I'm mainly thinking of doing feedback-based stuff, FM and
> > >noisy/klanging pitched sequences.
> >
> > A system made from the Creature and the Sequencer-A panel would meet
> your requirements easily. :)
> >
> > Best Regards, James
> > --
> > http://www.carbon111.com <http://www.carbon111.com>
> >
>
>

On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:53 PM, don hassler wrote:

> Can someone tell me what the Preset input jack allows
> on the 6 Stage Sequencing programmer? Is it simply
> setting the sequence start position?
> Thanks in advance!
> Don
>
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@...> wrote:
>
> >I still haven't got my head around the
> >CV Timegen Oscs in the Creature. Can they do waveforms other than saw
> >and triangle?
>
> Yes, pulse waves, asymmetrical triangles, normal saws as well as
inverted saws are all available...and continuously variable. I'm about
to launch a "Creature" page that should make it a bit clearer.
>
> >Also from your online review, you made it sound it
> >wasn't really ideal as an audio oscillator -- are they stable enough
> >to set up linear FM patches?
>
> That was by no means the impression I was trying to make *at all*.
The TGO has very stable tuning and can be tuned exactly by something
like a Serge sequencer ofer a huge range - something like 2
minutes-per-cycle to 11.5k I believe.
>
> >Do you have any demo mp3's?
>
> No...and I won't. But I will put some short examples up as wav files
in a few days.
>
> >One other
> >question, can I use the bottom cell of the Timegen Clock as AR
> >envelopes?
>
> The right cell? Yes, definately! It can be patched as an AR envelope
or an ASR envelope with either linear, exponential or logrhythmic
response.
>
> ...It can do a lot more than envelopes too.
>
> My Creature webpage will be up in a few minutes and you can peruse
it then. I'll let you folks know first.
>
> Very Best Regards, James
> --
> http://www.carbon111.com
>

> in the output section of the TGO, what are the Sig Ins for? I

> also in the TGO, what do the switch and "trig on" do?

> On the Sequencer-A: I assume I could use one side of the TG-clock

> Are serge systems short-circuit protected? Is there any risk

> Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm really excited about the

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> >Sorry if my previous post was a bit moronic!
>
> Not at all, it was a perfectly valid question. I just wanted to make
sure you didn't misunderstand me.
>
> >as for requesting mp3s --- I didn't mean to suggest that lossy
> >compression could do justice to the sounds --- I just wanted to get a
> >rough glimpse of the range that was possible, given that I am in
> >Europe and may not have a chance to see one in the flesh for a while.
>
> No problems there either. Its just that a modular synthesizer
dosen't really sound like *anything* if you get my meaning...its like
trying to show someone what a piano is like just by hitting middle C ;)
>
> I'll try to put some wav files up in a few days but people shouldn't
take them as *definitive* examples...everyone will get *completely*
different sounds from this thing...
>
> >Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm really excited about the
> >possibilities, but I just want to get things clear before taking the
> >plunge...
>
> No problem at all. :)
>
> Best Regards, James
> --
> http://www.carbon111.com/serge_index.html
>

>
>
> Hi ---
>
> It's all slowly beginning to sink in. It really is amazing how
> diverse these units are --- I never realized how 'conventional' I

> in my whole approach to modular synthesis.
>
> I'm sorry for yet more questions, but I just want to make sure I'm

> being unrealistic in my expectations:
>
> - how fast does the S&H cell of the smooth / stepped generator go?
> I'd like to use it for aliasing effects, so I'd need I guess up to

> couple of thousand Hz --- is that possible with the internal clock

> that cell, or would it only work with an audio rate oscillator

> into the "sample" jack? Or have I misunderstood what the rate jack
> and knobs do?
>
> - do you think there is any chance to persuade Rex Probe to add a
> couple of passive banana-to-mini-jack converters to the central

> of the M-boat? That would help a lot with interfacing to other CV

>
> Thanks for all your help! I'm really psyched about this thing...
>
> -- KkoNkkrete
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > >Sorry if my previous post was a bit moronic!
> >
> > Not at all, it was a perfectly valid question. I just wanted to

> sure you didn't misunderstand me.
> >
> > >as for requesting mp3s --- I didn't mean to suggest that lossy
> > >compression could do justice to the sounds --- I just wanted to

> > >rough glimpse of the range that was possible, given that I am in
> > >Europe and may not have a chance to see one in the flesh for a

> >
> > No problems there either. Its just that a modular synthesizer
> dosen't really sound like *anything* if you get my meaning...its

> trying to show someone what a piano is like just by hitting middle

> >
> > I'll try to put some wav files up in a few days but people

> take them as *definitive* examples...everyone will get *completely*
> different sounds from this thing...
> >
> > >Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm really excited about

> > >possibilities, but I just want to get things clear before

> > >plunge...
> >
> > No problem at all. :)
> >
> > Best Regards, James
> > --
> > http://www.carbon111.com/serge_index.html
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Tique" <sts7@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Mr. Krete,
>
> I'm glad that all the great guys here in the SMOG either have been
> helpful in showing the wonders the 'Greek orgy' style of Serge inter-
> patchability.
>
> I personally have been through many synthesizer architectures and
> patching paradigms (Buchla & Moog & EMS) and, after all that, found
> the Serge far and away both the most flexible and, most important,
> the most exciting & fun to play with!
>
> The question of "interface" is, on the `face' of it, a simple
> matter of basic jack/plug type 'sex changes'.
>
> The reality of it is more complex, even in this beautiful world of
> analogue we float in. There are several 'schools' of thought
> prevailing out there representing the 'best' way to accomplish the
> interconnectivity of the modules, set by the designer's personal
> preferences and existing standards set down by the audio/broadcast
> industries before them.
>
> One must do some study of the exact voltage requirements, plus
> current source/sink and impedance considerations, to begin the
> process of providing the mortar on which the bridge to
> successful 'interfacing' rests.
>
> The single most important part of building this 'bridge', and the
> most misunderstood, is the common referencing of the two (or more)
> involved systems' signal and power "grounds".
>
> Deeper specifics fall into the range of consulting.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "kkonkkrete" <kkonkkrete@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi ---
> >
> > It's all slowly beginning to sink in. It really is amazing how
> > diverse these units are --- I never realized how 'conventional' I
> was
> > in my whole approach to modular synthesis.
> >
> > I'm sorry for yet more questions, but I just want to make sure I'm
> not
> > being unrealistic in my expectations:
> >
> > - how fast does the S&H cell of the smooth / stepped generator go?
> > I'd like to use it for aliasing effects, so I'd need I guess up to
> a
> > couple of thousand Hz --- is that possible with the internal clock
> of
> > that cell, or would it only work with an audio rate oscillator
> plugged
> > into the "sample" jack? Or have I misunderstood what the rate jack
> > and knobs do?
> >
> > - do you think there is any chance to persuade Rex Probe to add a
> > couple of passive banana-to-mini-jack converters to the central
> strip
> > of the M-boat? That would help a lot with interfacing to other CV
> gear.
> >
> > Thanks for all your help! I'm really psyched about this thing...
> >
> > -- KkoNkkrete
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > >Sorry if my previous post was a bit moronic!
> > >
> > > Not at all, it was a perfectly valid question. I just wanted to
> make
> > sure you didn't misunderstand me.
> > >
> > > >as for requesting mp3s --- I didn't mean to suggest that lossy
> > > >compression could do justice to the sounds --- I just wanted to
> get a
> > > >rough glimpse of the range that was possible, given that I am in
> > > >Europe and may not have a chance to see one in the flesh for a
> while.
> > >
> > > No problems there either. Its just that a modular synthesizer
> > dosen't really sound like *anything* if you get my meaning...its
> like
> > trying to show someone what a piano is like just by hitting middle
> C ;)
> > >
> > > I'll try to put some wav files up in a few days but people
> shouldn't
> > take them as *definitive* examples...everyone will get *completely*
> > different sounds from this thing...
> > >
> > > >Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm really excited about
> the
> > > >possibilities, but I just want to get things clear before
> taking the
> > > >plunge...
> > >
> > > No problem at all. :)
> > >
> > > Best Regards, James
> > > --
> > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge_index.html
> > >
> >
>

>
>
> Hello Mr. Tique
>
> Good point. I am very much a 'user' rather than a 'developer' of
> analogue things, so that hadn't even crossed my mind. Could be very
> dangerous I suppose. I'm used to just sticking my patch cables into
> any old sockets that come along, as long as it's V/Oct, I just assumed
> it would be OK. Perhaps it's better for me to treat any prospective
> serge acquisitions as closed systems, rather than attempt to bridge
> the gaps...
>
> any insight on the speed of the S&H unit?
>

>
>
> Hello Mr. Tique
>
> Good point. I am very much a 'user' rather than a 'developer' of
> analogue things, so that hadn't even crossed my mind. Could be

> dangerous I suppose. I'm used to just sticking my patch cables

> any old sockets that come along, as long as it's V/Oct, I just

> it would be OK. Perhaps it's better for me to treat any

> serge acquisitions as closed systems, rather than attempt to bridge
> the gaps...
>
> any insight on the speed of the S&H unit?
>
> -- K0nk
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Tique" <sts7@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mr. Krete,
> >
> > I'm glad that all the great guys here in the SMOG either have

> > helpful in showing the wonders the 'Greek orgy' style of Serge

> > patchability.
> >
> > I personally have been through many synthesizer architectures

> > patching paradigms (Buchla & Moog & EMS) and, after all that,

> > the Serge far and away both the most flexible and, most

> > the most exciting & fun to play with!
> >
> > The question of "interface" is, on the `face' of it, a simple
> > matter of basic jack/plug type 'sex changes'.
> >
> > The reality of it is more complex, even in this beautiful world

> > analogue we float in. There are several 'schools' of thought
> > prevailing out there representing the 'best' way to accomplish

> > interconnectivity of the modules, set by the designer's personal
> > preferences and existing standards set down by the

> > industries before them.
> >
> > One must do some study of the exact voltage requirements, plus
> > current source/sink and impedance considerations, to begin the
> > process of providing the mortar on which the bridge to
> > successful 'interfacing' rests.
> >
> > The single most important part of building this 'bridge', and

> > most misunderstood, is the common referencing of the two (or

> > involved systems' signal and power "grounds".
> >
> > Deeper specifics fall into the range of consulting.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "kkonkkrete" <kkonkkrete@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi ---
> > >
> > > It's all slowly beginning to sink in. It really is amazing how
> > > diverse these units are --- I never realized

> > was
> > > in my whole approach to modular synthesis.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry for yet more questions, but I just want to make sure

> > not
> > > being unrealistic in my expectations:
> > >
> > > - how fast does the S&H cell of the smooth / stepped generator

> > > I'd like to use it for aliasing effects, so I'd need I guess

> > a
> > > couple of thousand Hz --- is that possible with the internal

> > of
> > > that cell, or would it only work with an audio rate oscillator
> > plugged
> > > into the "sample" jack? Or have I misunderstood what the rate

> > > and knobs do?
> > >
> > > - do you think there is any chance to persuade Rex Probe to

> > > couple of passive banana-to-mini-jack converters to the

> > strip
> > > of the M-boat? That would help a lot with interfacing to

> > gear.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help! I'm really psyched about this

> > >
> > > -- KkoNkkrete
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@>

> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > >Sorry if my previous post was a bit moronic!
> > > >
> > > > Not at all, it was a perfectly valid question. I just wanted

> > make
> > > sure you didn't misunderstand me.
> > > >
> > > > >as for requesting mp3s --- I didn't mean to suggest that

> > > > >compression could do justice to the sounds --- I just

> > get a
> > > > >rough glimpse of the range that was possible, given that I

> > > > >Europe and may not have a chance to see one in the flesh

> > while.
> > > >
> > > > No problems there either. Its just that a modular synthesizer
> > > dosen't really sound like *anything* if you get my

> > like
> > > trying to show someone what a piano is like just by hitting

> > C ;)
> > > >
> > > > I'll try to put some wav files up in a few days but people
> > shouldn't
> > > take them as *definitive* examples...everyone will get

> > > different sounds from this thing...
> > > >
> > > > >Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm really excited

> > the
> > > > >possibilities, but I just want to get things clear before
> > taking the
> > > > >plunge...
> > > >
> > > > No problem at all. :)
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards, James
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge_index.html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Hello Mr. Tique
>
> Good point. I am very much a 'user' rather than a
> 'developer' of
> analogue things, so that hadn't even crossed my
> mind. Could be very
> dangerous I suppose. I'm used to just sticking my
> patch cables into
> any old sockets that come along, as long as it's
> V/Oct, I just assumed
> it would be OK. Perhaps it's better for me to treat
> any prospective
> serge acquisitions as closed systems, rather than
> attempt to bridge
> the gaps...
>
> any insight on the speed of the S&H unit?
>
> -- K0nk
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Tique"
> <sts7@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mr. Krete,
> >
> > I'm glad that all the great guys here in the SMOG
> either have been
> > helpful in showing the wonders the 'Greek orgy'
> style of Serge inter-
> > patchability.
> >
> > I personally have been through many synthesizer
> architectures and
> > patching paradigms (Buchla & Moog & EMS) and,
> after all that, found
> > the Serge far and away both the most flexible and,
> most important,
> > the most exciting & fun to play with!
> >
> > The question of "interface" is, on the `face' of
> it, a simple
> > matter of basic jack/plug type 'sex changes'.
> >
> > The reality of it is more complex, even in this
> beautiful world of
> > analogue we float in. There are several 'schools'
> of thought
> > prevailing out there representing the 'best' way
> to accomplish the
> > interconnectivity of the modules, set by the
> designer's personal
> > preferences and existing standards set down by the
> audio/broadcast
> > industries before them.
> >
> > One must do some study of the exact voltage
> requirements, plus
> > current source/sink and impedance considerations,
> to begin the
> > process of providing the mortar on which the
> bridge to
> > successful 'interfacing' rests.
> >
> > The single most important part of building this
> 'bridge', and the
> > most misunderstood, is the common referencing of
> the two (or more)
> > involved systems' signal and power "grounds".
> >
> > Deeper specifics fall into the range of
> consulting.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "kkonkkrete"
> <kkonkkrete@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi ---
> > >
> > > It's all slowly beginning to sink in. It really
> is amazing how
> > > diverse these units are --- I never realized how
> 'conventional' I
> > was
> > > in my whole approach to modular synthesis.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry for yet more questions, but I just
> want to make sure I'm
> > not
> > > being unrealistic in my expectations:
> > >
> > > - how fast does the S&H cell of the smooth /
> stepped generator go?
> > > I'd like to use it for aliasing effects, so I'd
> need I guess up to
> > a
> > > couple of thousand Hz --- is that possible with
> the internal clock
> > of
> > > that cell, or would it only work with an audio
> rate oscillator
> > plugged
> > > into the "sample" jack? Or have I misunderstood
> what the rate jack
> > > and knobs do?
> > >
> > > - do you think there is any chance to persuade
> Rex Probe to add a
> > > couple of passive banana-to-mini-jack converters
> to the central
> > strip
> > > of the M-boat? That would help a lot with
> interfacing to other CV
> > gear.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help! I'm really psyched
> about this thing...
> > >
> > > -- KkoNkkrete
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111
> <carbon111@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > >Sorry if my previous post was a bit moronic!
>
> > > >
> > > > Not at all, it was a perfectly valid question.
> I just wanted to
> > make
> > > sure you didn't misunderstand me.
> > > >
> > > > >as for requesting mp3s --- I didn't mean to
> suggest that lossy
> > > > >compression could do justice to the sounds
> --- I just wanted to
> > get a
> > > > >rough glimpse of the range that was possible,
> given that I am in
> > > > >Europe and may not have a chance to see one
> in the flesh for a
> > while.
> > > >
> > > > No problems there either. Its just that a
> modular synthesizer
> > > dosen't really sound like *anything* if you get
> my meaning...its
> > like
> > > trying to show someone what a piano is like just
> by hitting middle
> > C ;)
> > > >
> > > > I'll try to put some wav files up in a few
> days but people
> > shouldn't
> > > take them as *definitive* examples...everyone
> will get *completely*
> > > different sounds from this thing...
> > > >
> > > > >Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm
> really excited about
> > the
> > > > >possibilities, but I just want to get things
> clear before
> > taking the
> > > > >plunge...
> > > >
> > > > No problem at all. :)
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards, James
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge_index.html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

>
> if you ground the Serge (you will anyway, right?), the
> ground is then transferred thru the minijack cables to
> your minijack modulars. so cross-patching is fine. i
> do it all the time.
> if you want to cross-patch with another banana modular
> then you have to ground the two banana modulars
> together. the serge psu has a black ground banana jack
> that is for tha purpose. i use that too and i also
> cross-patch between my serge modular and my bananafied
> Metalbox frac modules all the time.
> everything works fine...
> Serge should not be a 'closed system'.
> Harry?
>
> best regards,
> Bakis.
>
>
> --- kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Mr. Tique
> >
> > Good point. I am very much a 'user' rather than a
> > 'developer' of
> > analogue things, so that hadn't even crossed my
> > mind. Could be very
> > dangerous I suppose. I'm used to just sticking my
> > patch cables into
> > any old sockets that come along, as long as it's
> > V/Oct, I just assumed
> > it would be OK. Perhaps it's better for me to treat
> > any prospective
> > serge acquisitions as closed systems, rather than
> > attempt to bridge
> > the gaps...
> >
> > any insight on the speed of the S&H unit?
> >
> > -- K0nk
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Tique"
> > <sts7@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Mr. Krete,
> > >
> > > I'm glad that all the great guys here in the SMOG
> > either have been
> > > helpful in showing the wonders the 'Greek orgy'
> > style of Serge inter-
> > > patchability.
> > >
> > > I personally have been through many synthesizer
> > architectures and
> > > patching paradigms (Buchla & Moog & EMS) and,
> > after all that, found
> > > the Serge far and away both the most flexible and,
> > most important,
> > > the most exciting & fun to play with!
> > >
> > > The question of "interface" is, on the `face' of
> > it, a simple
> > > matter of basic jack/plug type 'sex changes'.
> > >
> > > The reality of it is more complex, even in this
> > beautiful world of
> > > analogue we float in. There are several 'schools'
> > of thought
> > > prevailing out there representing the 'best' way
> > to accomplish the
> > > interconnectivity of the modules, set by the
> > designer's personal
> > > preferences and existing standards set down by the
> > audio/broadcast
> > > industries before them.
> > >
> > > One must do some study of the exact voltage
> > requirements, plus
> > > current source/sink and impedance considerations,
> > to begin the
> > > process of providing the mortar on which the
> > bridge to
> > > successful 'interfacing' rests.
> > >
> > > The single most important part of building this
> > 'bridge', and the
> > > most misunderstood, is the common referencing of
> > the two (or more)
> > > involved systems' signal and power "grounds".
> > >
> > > Deeper specifics fall into the range of
> > consulting.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Harry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "kkonkkrete"
> > <kkonkkrete@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi ---
> > > >
> > > > It's all slowly beginning to sink in. It really
> > is amazing how
> > > > diverse these units are --- I never realized how
> > 'conventional' I
> > > was
> > > > in my whole approach to modular synthesis.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry for yet more questions, but I just
> > want to make sure I'm
> > > not
> > > > being unrealistic in my expectations:
> > > >
> > > > - how fast does the S&H cell of the smooth /
> > stepped generator go?
> > > > I'd like to use it for aliasing effects, so I'd
> > need I guess up to
> > > a
> > > > couple of thousand Hz --- is that possible with
> > the internal clock
> > > of
> > > > that cell, or would it only work with an audio
> > rate oscillator
> > > plugged
> > > > into the "sample" jack? Or have I misunderstood
> > what the rate jack
> > > > and knobs do?
> > > >
> > > > - do you think there is any chance to persuade
> > Rex Probe to add a
> > > > couple of passive banana-to-mini-jack converters
> > to the central
> > > strip
> > > > of the M-boat? That would help a lot with
> > interfacing to other CV
> > > gear.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all your help! I'm really psyched
> > about this thing...
> > > >
> > > > -- KkoNkkrete
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111
> > <carbon111@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi there,
> > > > >
> > > > > >Sorry if my previous post was a bit moronic!
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not at all, it was a perfectly valid question.
> > I just wanted to
> > > make
> > > > sure you didn't misunderstand me.
> > > > >
> > > > > >as for requesting mp3s --- I didn't mean to
> > suggest that lossy
> > > > > >compression could do justice to the sounds
> > --- I just wanted to
> > > get a
> > > > > >rough glimpse of the range that was possible,
> > given that I am in
> > > > > >Europe and may not have a chance to see one
> > in the flesh for a
> > > while.
> > > > >
> > > > > No problems there either. Its just that a
> > modular synthesizer
> > > > dosen't really sound like *anything* if you get
> > my meaning...its
> > > like
> > > > trying to show someone what a piano is like just
> > by hitting middle
> > > C ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll try to put some wav files up in a few
> > days but people
> > > shouldn't
> > > > take them as *definitive* examples...everyone
> > will get *completely*
> > > > different sounds from this thing...
> > > > >
> > > > > >Sorry about all these basic questions, I'm
> > really excited about
> > > the
> > > > > >possibilities, but I just want to get things
> > clear before
> > > taking the
> > > > > >plunge...
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem at all. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards, James
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge_index.html
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
> Hello Bakis,
>
> Shields, as in your typical single-ended phone <=>
> phone or Mini-
> phone cables, are not suitable for grounding. These
> are not
> connectors! (that's they are called plugs and jacks
> as a seperate
> class from a connector)
>
> My friend at National semi, Bob Pease, told me,
> "Phone jacks are
> most closely related to relays as the "shield" is
> always floating -
> held in place by a mechanical spring loaded 'tip'".
>
> A connector, on the other hand, has all it's contact
> wiring points
> held individually by means a bi-fricated cup that
> grasps on two
> sides of its mating male "pin".
>
> The correct way to do it, Bakis, is to use what is
> called
> a "telescoping" shield wiring, were the shield is
> only connected on
> one end of the cable, but extends the lenght of the
> run and is then
> terminated (un-connected) as near to the opposite
> plug break out as
> possible. That way the shield "drain" goes in one
> direction thus
> prventing "ground loops" as the small potentials
> from the different
> power supplies involved are unequivalent and can
> create both
> unwanted audio (buss, noise radio pickup , etc.),
> sub-audio (DC/AC
> offsets that eat up power bandwidth) and sometimes
> super-audio
> oscillations (stuff you can't hear, but can damage
> or compromise
> equipment).
>
> The way to ground systems is through connecting the
> PS commons using
> 16 awg or better wire.
>
>
> This isn't a scare tactic as I'm not against
> inter-system workings.
>
> However, I am promoting more care and a deeper
> understanding of the
> requirments of the "interface" before you break out
> the marshmellows
> to cook 'em up on your rigs.
>
>
> 0000XXXx
>
> Chip_Puller
>
>
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > if you ground the Serge (you will anyway, right?),
> the
> > ground is then transferred thru the minijack
> cables to
> > your minijack modulars. so cross-patching is fine.
> i
> > do it all the time.
> > if you want to cross-patch with another banana
> modular
> > then you have to ground the two banana modulars
> > together. the serge psu has a black ground banana
> jack
> > that is for tha purpose. i use that too and i also
> > cross-patch between my serge modular and my
> bananafied
> > Metalbox frac modules all the time.
> > everything works fine...
> > Serge should not be a 'closed system'.
> > Harry?
> >
> > best regards,
> > Bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello Mr. Tique
> > >
> > > Good point. I am very much a 'user' rather than
> a
> > > 'developer' of
> > > analogue things, so that hadn't even crossed my
> > > mind. Could be very
> > > dangerous I suppose. I'm used to just sticking
> my
> > > patch cables into
> > > any old sockets that come along, as long as it's
> > > V/Oct, I just assumed
> > > it would be OK. Perhaps it's better for me to
> treat
> > > any prospective
> > > serge acquisitions as closed systems, rather
> than
> > > attempt to bridge
> > > the gaps...
> > >
> > > any insight on the speed of the S&H unit?
> > >
> > > -- K0nk
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "Harold
> Tique"
> > > <sts7@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Mr. Krete,
> > > >
> > > > I'm glad that all the great guys here in the
> SMOG
> > > either have been
> > > > helpful in showing the wonders the 'Greek
> orgy'
> > > style of Serge inter-
> > > > patchability.
> > > >
> > > > I personally have been through many
> synthesizer
> > > architectures and
> > > > patching paradigms (Buchla & Moog & EMS) and,
> > > after all that, found
> > > > the Serge far and away both the most flexible
> and,
> > > most important,
> > > > the most exciting & fun to play with!
> > > >
> > > > The question of "interface" is, on the `face'
> of
> > > it, a simple
> > > > matter of basic jack/plug type 'sex changes'.
> > > >
> > > > The reality of it is more complex, even in
> this
> > > beautiful world of
> > > > analogue we float in. There are several
> 'schools'
> > > of thought
> > > > prevailing out there representing the 'best'
> way
> > > to accomplish the
> > > > interconnectivity of the modules, set by the
> > > designer's personal
> > > > preferences and existing standards set down by
> the
> > > audio/broadcast
> > > > industries before them.
> > > >
> > > > One must do some study of the exact voltage
> > > requirements, plus
> > > > current source/sink and impedance
> considerations,
> > > to begin the
> > > > process of providing the mortar on which the
> > > bridge to
> > > > successful 'interfacing' rests.
> > > >
> > > > The single most important part of building
> this
> > > 'bridge', and the
> > > > most misunderstood, is the common referencing
> of
> > > the two (or more)
> > > > involved systems' signal and power "grounds".
> > > >
> > > > Deeper specifics fall into the range of
> > > consulting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Harry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>