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Envelope Question

2010-06-12 by dr.jasoncrest

I'd really like to be able to play the TKB by hand so that the note(s) played has a typical envelope shape and the end result is silence. I've been struggling to figure out how to do this and I was hoping that someone could shine some light on this.

A second and related concern is my inability to create an envelope that results in silence. I'm trying to do this by applying the envelope to the AM on the UAP/Xfader and when the envelope is through I can still hear the note droning on and not the silence I was hoping for.

Thanks again for all the help.
Jason

Re: Envelope Question

2010-06-12 by John P

Hi Jason,

Struggle no more. The AM input you've been using is AC coupled. You want to use the VC 1 or VC 2 inputs, which are DC coupled.
Also, you need to turn the Gain knob down halfway or less. When you do this, you should no longer hear a tone coming out unless you're triggering an envelope. The UAP's gain is the sum of the VC inputs, the AM inputs, and the Gain knob. Turning the gain knob down will mean you should hear nothing unless you have a control voltage, like your envelope at the VC inputs.


Hope that helps.
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On 6/11/2010 8:53 PM, dr.jasoncrest wrote:

I'd really like to be able to play the TKB by hand so that the note(s) played has a typical envelope shape and the end result is silence. I've been struggling to figure out how to do this and I was hoping that someone could shine some light on this.

A second and related concern is my inability to create an envelope that results in silence. I'm trying to do this by applying the envelope to the AM on the UAP/Xfader and when the envelope is through I can still hear the note droning on and not the silence I was hoping for.

Thanks again for all the help.
Jason



Re: Envelope Question

2010-06-12 by dr.jasoncrest

Thanks so much John. I'll hit you back if I have any additional questions. Your help means a lot to me and I appreciate it very much.
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Struggle no more. The AM input you've been using is AC coupled. You want
> to use the VC 1 or VC 2 inputs, which are DC coupled.
> Also, you need to turn the Gain knob down halfway or less. When you do
> this, you should no longer hear a tone coming out unless you're
> triggering an envelope. The UAP's gain is the sum of the VC inputs, the
> AM inputs, and the Gain knob. Turning the gain knob down will mean you
> should hear nothing unless you have a control voltage, like your
> envelope at the VC inputs.
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On 6/11/2010 8:53 PM, dr.jasoncrest wrote:
> >
> > I'd really like to be able to play the TKB by hand so that the note(s)
> > played has a typical envelope shape and the end result is silence.
> > I've been struggling to figure out how to do this and I was hoping
> > that someone could shine some light on this.
> >
> > A second and related concern is my inability to create an envelope
> > that results in silence. I'm trying to do this by applying the
> > envelope to the AM on the UAP/Xfader and when the envelope is through
> > I can still hear the note droning on and not the silence I was hoping
> > for.
> >
> > Thanks again for all the help.
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Envelope Question

2010-06-12 by BooleanYulian

Hi Jason..

and for the TKB: connect the KV (which produces a voltage corresponding to each pad and, unless i'm mistaken, in whole tone increments, starting at 0V at pad#1) to the CV In of your sound source and KP (which goes HIGH when a pad is touched) to the Gate In or Trig In of your VCA envelope (depending on how you want the envelope to behave).. you can also patch PRESSURE (which sends out a voltage proportional to the surface of your finger touching the pad) somewhere for additional expression.. then play the touch pads. Of course you can also run KV through a scaler or a quantizer.

hope this helps

Yulian

On 2010-06-11, at 10:53 PM, dr.jasoncrest wrote:

I'd really like to be able to play the TKB by hand so that the note(s) played has a typical envelope shape and the end result is silence. I've been struggling to figure out how to do this and I was hoping that someone could shine some light on this.

A second and related concern is my inability to create an envelope that results in silence. I'm trying to do this by applying the envelope to the AM on the UAP/Xfader and when the envelope is through I can still hear the note droning on and not the silence I was hoping for.

Thanks again for all the help.
Jason


Re: Envelope Question

2010-06-12 by dr.jasoncrest

Hi Yulian,
You've anticipated my next question!

Jason
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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, BooleanYulian <a.b@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason..
>
> and for the TKB: connect the KV (which produces a voltage corresponding to each pad and, unless i'm mistaken, in whole tone increments, starting at 0V at pad#1) to the CV In of your sound source and KP (which goes HIGH when a pad is touched) to the Gate In or Trig In of your VCA envelope (depending on how you want the envelope to behave).. you can also patch PRESSURE (which sends out a voltage proportional to the surface of your finger touching the pad) somewhere for additional expression.. then play the touch pads. Of course you can also run KV through a scaler or a quantizer.
>
> hope this helps
>
> Yulian
>
> On 2010-06-11, at 10:53 PM, dr.jasoncrest wrote:
>
> > I'd really like to be able to play the TKB by hand so that the note(s) played has a typical envelope shape and the end result is silence. I've been struggling to figure out how to do this and I was hoping that someone could shine some light on this.
> >
> > A second and related concern is my inability to create an envelope that results in silence. I'm trying to do this by applying the envelope to the AM on the UAP/Xfader and when the envelope is through I can still hear the note droning on and not the silence I was hoping for.
> >
> > Thanks again for all the help.
> > Jason
> >
> >
>

Re: Envelope Question

2010-06-12 by BooleanYulian

Cheers Jason.. glad to help

feel free to voice any additional questions you may have
Y.
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On 2010-06-12, at 11:29 AM, dr.jasoncrest wrote:

Hi Yulian,
You've anticipated my next question!

Jason

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, BooleanYulian <a.b@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason..
>
> and for the TKB: connect the KV (which produces a voltage corresponding to each pad and, unless i'm mistaken, in whole tone increments, starting at 0V at pad#1) to the CV In of your sound source and KP (which goes HIGH when a pad is touched) to the Gate In or Trig In of your VCA envelope (depending on how you want the envelope to behave).. you can also patch PRESSURE (which sends out a voltage proportional to the surface of your finger touching the pad) somewhere for additional expression.. then play the touch pads. Of course you can also run KV through a scaler or a quantizer.
>
> hope this helps
>
> Yulian
>
> On 2010-06-11, at 10:53 PM, dr.jasoncrest wrote:
>
> > I'd really like to be able to play the TKB by hand so that the note(s) played has a typical envelope shape and the end result is silence. I've been struggling to figure out how to do this and I was hoping that someone could shine some light on this.
> >
> > A second and related concern is my inability to create an envelope that results in silence. I'm trying to do this by applying the envelope to the AM on the UAP/Xfader and when the envelope is through I can still hear the note droning on and not the silence I was hoping for.
> >
> > Thanks again for all the help.
> > Jason
> >
> >
>


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