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Hi -

Looking for used Serge panels.

Just getting started with Serge so I'm looking for maybe a Blue or
Red system or some combination of the two.

Thanks,
dave

dwp2659 wrote:

Hi -

Looking for used Serge panels.

Just getting started with Serge so I'm looking for maybe a Blue or
Red system or some combination of the two.

Thanks,
dave

hi dave. welcome to the list.

check the recent post to SMOG regarding gene schwartz's serge; i don't know whether
its sold or not. it was about a month ago. good luck!

blake
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dwp2659 wrote:

Hi -

Looking for used Serge panels.

..and then there's this.....thing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1493358091

?

blake
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sebsi23@... wrote:

> > hi dave. welcome to the list.
>
> > check the recent post to SMOG regarding gene schwartz's serge; i don't
> > know whether
> > its sold or not. it was about a month ago. good luck!
>
> > blake

Gone - figures it was raining "Serges for sale" a couple months ago - now
when I want one it dries up

As for the "thing" on ebay - it is a "thing"

Actually "Thing" would be a really cool name for a series of Serge panels -
to borrow from Dr. Seuss - "Thing 1" and "Thing 2" - Serges are very Seuss
like

So I'm really looking for a voice panel and a control/processor panel -
figured the blue or red panels would be a good start - if I can't find a
decent used voice panel I'll use [ cover your children's ears ] Modcan
modules for the voice stuff and then get a Serge control/processor panel.

dave

> If I can't find a decent used voice panel I'll
> use Modcan modules for the voice stuff and
> then get a Serge control/processor panel.

I'm pretty much building my system the same way. I'm starting with the
Modcan stuff, and will be adding Serge - probably a Soup Kitchen and one of
the processing panels.

Somebody build me a TKB with MEMORY and I'd buy that too!

Anyway, I'll be posing reviews of the Modcan modules over on AH once they
start showing up. I'll be happy to post here as well if nobody will kill me
for doing so.

Les Mizzell
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dwp <dwp@r...> wrote:

>

if I can't find a decent used voice panel I'll use [ cover your
children's ears ] Modcan modules for the voice stuff and then get a
Serge control/processor panel.

>

whats the problem with modcan? dont people on the list use both?

donald.

> Anyway, I'll be posing reviews of the Modcan modules over on AH once they
> start showing up. I'll be happy to post here as well if nobody will kill me
> for doing so.

Les,
I'd be interested (not on AH anymore).

>whats the problem with modcan? dont people on the list use both?

>donald.

Check the archives. There was some controversy at one point.

BTW Matt, how come you're Blake now? I go away for a few weeks and
everything's different.
CW

"C. Whitten" wrote:

> Anyway, I'll be posing reviews of the Modcan modules over on AH once they
> start showing up. I'll be happy to post here as well if nobody will kill me
> for doing so.
Les,
I'd be interested (not on AH anymore).

>whats the problem with modcan? dont people on the list use both?

>donald.

Check the archives. There was some controversy at one point.

mea culpa. but, to put all that to rest, i'm *this far* from ordering a modcan env because i need another
env for my serge and i'm not in a position to order a new panel.

BTW Matt, how come you're Blake now? I go away for a few weeks and
everything's different.
CW

i was wondering where you went, chris...."blake" is my middle name, and a couple months ago i literally
had a voice in my head say "you are now going to go by your middle name" so i did.

i always do what the little voices tell me to do. they haven't steered me wrong yet.

b.
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> >Check the archives. There was some controversy at one point.

> mea culpa. but, to put all that to rest, I'm *this far* from
> ordering a Modcan ENV because I need another ENV for my serge
> and I'm not in a position to order a new panel.

Well, I'm waiting on my Modcan order to show up. Folks had to compare Serge
and Modcan at some point, since they're the only two systems out there using
banana jacks being currently produced.

I've conversed with Duncan a lot, and though there's a few Modcan modules
that folks might say "Uhhh...maybe he copied that from Serge..." - Duncan
spends a LOT of time prototyping his modules, and is getting ready to add a
few new ones in the next few months. I feel that he doesn't try to copy
Serge at all, he's just using logical design ideas for his modules.

How many "logical" ways *is* there to build a VC ENV anyway? Even if I'd
never seen the Modcan or Serge, I would have designed it about the same
myself. There's only so many ways of doing it that makes sense to the user.
Same goes for the other modules that have similarities. Fords and Dodge cars
all have 4 tires and a motor and a steering wheel too.....

Heck, let's toss a few of the Wiard modules in there as well. Grant has no
problem saying what some of his designs are based on. Read the Wogglebug
description. It's all really a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

That was a rant, wasn't it? Sorry....

Anyway, the Modcan makes a great way to expand your Serge if you don't want
to pop $3000 for a full panel, which is one of my main Serge gripes. The
Serge modules are priced pretty nice. They're less expensive than
MOTM....it's just that you've got to buy a whole truck load of them at one
time and how long is the turn-around time now for a panel? Duncan promised
to ship my first 10 module order in 4 to 5 weeks. Rex makes great gear and
is happy with his sales. He's making what he wants from selling full Serge
panels, knows what he's got and if you're not willing to go that route, than
that's OK by him too. Maybe one day though we'll figure out how to convince
him to sell individual modules again. Who wants to take the first shot?

I'm going to buy two Serge panels at some point in the future. Gotta save up
for them though, which is hard to do when you can go ahead and be enjoying
other manufacturers modules - a few new one at a time. I really want a Soup
Kitchen with the Frequency Shifter and Wilson delay, and a custom panel with
some extra VCAs, mixing and a DUSG or two...

All we need now is moe money....

(heh...then again, if KLYS stock does what it's supposed to do...I'll buy
more than 2 panels!)

Les Mizzell

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Well, I think it's obvious, looking from the front panel designs & the kinds of
modules he has, that Serge copying is a part of his trade.
I can't speak about the actual circuits, but the BLOG, the sequencer, quad VCA,
the peak & trough... c'mon...

The question is, is that a BAD thing?

Rex gushed during a recent phone call: "Hey, somebody's SECOND-SOURCING me!"

Les Mizzell wrote:

In a message dated 12/15/01 12:40:05 PM, info@... writes:

<< Maybe one day though we'll figure out how to convince
him to sell individual modules again. Who wants to take the first shot? >>

hahaha... I've been trying to do that for 6 years. Never happen!!!
: )
John D

(....engaging in some friendly banter with John.....)

> I once asked
> Grant over at Wiard about putting bananas on one of his

modules - he almost

> had a cow!
>

you might want to try again, I can't answer for him but I think he
has considered the issue since especially if approched
seriously

> you might want to try again, has considered the issue
> since especially if approached seriously

Actually, it was a serious request!

It's mostly a matter of mechanics and design. If you look at the jack field
at the bottom of each of his modules, there simply isn't room to replace the
minis with bananas. He's got them packed in there pretty tight!

The only way to actually do it would to be to remount the module on a new
faceplate with room for the bananas. It would be a sacrilege to do that to
Grant's beautiful designs, me thinks! You could also add an additional
faceplate with the banana jacks on it and bring the wires over from the
original module.

There's also one more problem - many of the jacks on the Wiard modules are
normalized and passing a CV over to something else until a jack is inserted
to break the connection. Makes using bananas difficult - not impossible to
do, but difficult.

After a lot of consideration, any Wiard modules I acquire will pretty much
be "stand-alone" from the banana system I'm assembling!


Les Mizzell

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