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Hello Jim, the original SDSV pads had a resistor parallel to the piezo to avoid crosstalk. The SDS9 pads don't have it. So the sensitivity of the SDS9 pads is to high for SDSV. To solve the problem I would suggest to solder a 10kohms resistor between live and neutral in the SDSV consoles pad inputs. You could do this in the pad or the cables too, but then these would not be useful for anything else. It is not difficult to open the case. You see a long wire soldered over all of the 7 pad input XLRs: That is ground/neutral potential. The coloured wires on the XLRs carry the life potential. So solder a resistor to each XLR connecting the 2 pins, thats it.
Michael

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim 
  To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM
  Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk


  Hello, 

  Recently purchased an SDSV module which I am using with SDS9 pads. I 
  am having a problem with crosstalk. Snare / hi tom pads are mounted on 
  the left side stand. Med tom and floor tom on the right side stand. 
  Most pictures and ads I have seen, show the kit set up in this 
  fashion. I have adjusted the sensitivity, and while it has helped, it 
  has still not solved the problem. The pads seem so sensitive in fact, 
  that I am able to trigger sounds from lightly tapping on the tom 
  stands themselves! Was this a problem with the simmons SDSV? I would 
  love to keep it this set-up, but if I can't use it in a live setting, 
  due to false triggering, sesitivity and crosstalk, then I'll be forced 
  to part with it. Would switching to the older SDSV pads solve this 
  problem perhaps? Any help would help!!!! Thanks.

  Jim



   

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Thanks so much Michael, I will give it a try. Or, better yet, attempt to find some original SDSV pads to match the module? Have any?
   
  Regards,
   
  Jim
   
  
michael.buchner@... wrote:
          Hello Jim, the original SDSV pads had a resistor parallel to the piezo to avoid crosstalk. The SDS9 pads don't have it. So the sensitivity of the SDS9 pads is to high for SDSV. To solve the problem I would suggest to solder a 10kohms resistor between live and neutral in the SDSV consoles pad inputs. You could do this in the pad or the cables too, but then these would not be useful for anything else. It is not difficult to open the case. You see a long wire soldered over all of the 7 pad input XLRs: That is ground/neutral potential. The coloured wires on the XLRs carry the life potential. So solder a resistor to each XLR connecting the 2 pins, thats it.
Michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim 
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk

Hello, 

Recently purchased an SDSV module which I am using with SDS9 pads. I 
am having a problem with crosstalk. Snare / hi tom pads are mounted on 
the left side stand. Med tom and floor tom on the right side stand. 
Most pictures and ads I have seen, show the kit set up in this 
fashion. I have adjusted the sensitivity, and while it has helped, it 
has still not solved the problem. The pads seem so sensitive in fact, 
that I am able to trigger sounds from lightly tapping on the tom 
stands themselves! Was this a problem with the simmons SDSV? I would 
love to keep it this set-up, but if I can't use it in a live setting, 
due to false triggering, sesitivity and crosstalk, then I'll be forced 
to part with it. Would switching to the older SDSV pads solve this 
problem perhaps? Any help would help!!!! Thanks.

Jim

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Thanks so much Michael, I will give it a try. Or, better yet, 
attempt to find some original SDSV pads to match the module? Have 
any?


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jim, the original SDSV pads had a resistor parallel to the 
piezo to avoid crosstalk. The SDS9 pads don't have it. So the 
sensitivity of the SDS9 pads is to high for SDSV. To solve the 
problem I would suggest to solder a 10kohms resistor between live 
and neutral in the SDSV consoles pad inputs. You could do this in 
the pad or the cables too, but then these would not be useful for 
anything else. It is not difficult to open the case. You see a long 
wire soldered over all of the 7 pad input XLRs: That is 
ground/neutral potential. The coloured wires on the XLRs carry the 
life potential. So solder a resistor to each XLR connecting the 2 
pins, thats it.
> Michael
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim 
>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM
>   Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk
> 
> 
>   Hello, 
> 
>   Recently purchased an SDSV module which I am using with SDS9 
pads. I 
>   am having a problem with crosstalk. Snare / hi tom pads are 
mounted on 
>   the left side stand. Med tom and floor tom on the right side 
stand. 
>   Most pictures and ads I have seen, show the kit set up in this 
>   fashion. I have adjusted the sensitivity, and while it has 
helped, it 
>   has still not solved the problem. The pads seem so sensitive in 
fact, 
>   that I am able to trigger sounds from lightly tapping on the tom 
>   stands themselves! Was this a problem with the simmons SDSV? I 
would 
>   love to keep it this set-up, but if I can't use it in a live 
setting, 
>   due to false triggering, sesitivity and crosstalk, then I'll be 
forced 
>   to part with it. Would switching to the older SDSV pads solve 
this 

>   problem perhaps? Any help would help!!!! Thanks.
> 
>   Jim
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It is a good idea to get the original SDSV pads. Because the surface is very hard, the trigger pulse has another shape than on rubber pads. So the click sound of SDSV is much more precise, sharp like a needle. This I found out more than 20 years ago, when all drummers were crying because of the too hard pads. Simmons immediately offered flat rubber hexagons to be glued on top of the pads. But: that changed the sound! The impact was not like before. From that time on I played these pads only on the rims.
I don't have these pads anymore. But sometimes they are on eBay.
Regards
Michael

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I want a set of original black toms to go with my bass pad. The bass is 
original, but the toms are rather SDS-8 I think... Works well though and I 
often go via the TMI anyway...

electronically yours, jesper
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: <michael.buchner@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk


> It is a good idea to get the original SDSV pads. Because the surface is 
> very hard, the trigger pulse has another shape than on rubber pads. So the 
> click sound of SDSV is much more precise, sharp like a needle. This I 
> found out more than 20 years ago, when all drummers were crying because of 
> the too hard pads. Simmons immediately offered flat rubber hexagons to be 
> glued on top of the pads. But: that changed the sound! The impact was not 
> like before. From that time on I played these pads only on the rims.
> I don't have these pads anymore. But sometimes they are on eBay.
> Regards
> Michael
>
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>
>

Michael, 
   
  Will SDS7 or SDS8 pads work with my SDSV module or are they set up just as my current SDS9 pads are? Thanks again.
   
  Jim

michael.buchner@... wrote:
          It is a good idea to get the original SDSV pads. Because the surface is very hard, the trigger pulse has another shape than on rubber pads. So the click sound of SDSV is much more precise, sharp like a needle. This I found out more than 20 years ago, when all drummers were crying because of the too hard pads. Simmons immediately offered flat rubber hexagons to be glued on top of the pads. But: that changed the sound! The impact was not like before. From that time on I played these pads only on the rims.
I don't have these pads anymore. But sometimes they are on eBay.
Regards
Michael

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Hi there Jim,

SDS7 and SDS8 pads will work no problem, both series have resistors 
so you shouldn't have any problems with X-talk or false triggering.

Cheers,

Matt.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy Earnshaw <jbospunk@...> 
wrote:
>
> Michael, 
>    
>   Will SDS7 or SDS8 pads work with my SDSV module or are they set 
up just as my current SDS9 pads are? Thanks again.
>    
>   Jim
> 
> michael.buchner@... wrote:
>           It is a good idea to get the original SDSV pads. Because 
the surface is very hard, the trigger pulse has another shape than 
on rubber pads. So the click sound of SDSV is much more precise, 
sharp like a needle. This I found out more than 20 years ago, when 
all drummers were crying because of the too hard pads. Simmons 
immediately offered flat rubber hexagons to be glued on top of the 
pads. But: that changed the sound! The impact was not like before. 
From that time on I played these pads only on the rims.
> I don't have these pads anymore. But sometimes they are on eBay.
> Regards
> Michael
> 
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I use SDS8 pads with an SDSV brain both on stage and in the studio with none
of the crosstalk/triggering problems you describe.

I obtained my V as a brain only and have never owned V pads (...yet).  After
experimenting with all manner of triggers (with varying degrees of success)
I can honestly say the 8 pads gave me the best results (short of owning some
actual V pads, that is).

Hope that helps

From: Jimmy Earnshaw <jbospunk@...>
Reply-To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk

 
 
 

Michael, 
 
 Will SDS7 or SDS8 pads work with my SDSV module or are they set up just as
my current SDS9 pads are? Thanks again.
 
 Jim

michael.buchner@... <mailto:michael.buchner%40debitel.net>  wrote:
 It is a good idea to get the original SDSV pads. Because the surface is
very hard, the trigger pulse has another shape than on rubber pads. So the
click sound of SDSV is much more precise, sharp like a needle. This I found
out more than 20 years ago, when all drummers were crying because of the too
hard pads. Simmons immediately offered flat rubber hexagons to be glued on
top of the pads. But: that changed the sound! The impact was not like
before. From that time on I played these pads only on the rims.
I don't have these pads anymore. But sometimes they are on eBay.
Regards
Michael

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Or if you wanted to do it non-destructively, make up a short
female-to-male adapter with the resistor wired into that. 

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@...> wrote:
>
> / To solve the problem I would suggest to solder a 10kohms resistor
between live and neutral in the SDSV consoles pad inputs. You could do
this in the pad or the cables too, but then these would not be useful
for anything else. / So solder a resistor to each XLR connecting the 2
pins, thats it.

> Michael

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim 
>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM
>   Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk
> 
> 
>   Hello, 
> 
>   Recently purchased an SDSV module which I am using with SDS9 pads. I 
>   am having a problem with crosstalk. /

le 17/09/07 18:27, Jimmy Earnshaw à jbospunk@... a écrit :

Thanks so much Michael, I will give it a try. Or, better yet, attempt to
find some original SDSV pads to match the module? Have any?

Regards,

Jim


michael.buchner@... <mailto:michael.buchner%40debitel.net>  wrote:
Hello Jim, the original SDSV pads had a resistor parallel to the piezo to
avoid crosstalk. The SDS9 pads don't have it. So the sensitivity of the SDS9
pads is to high for SDSV. To solve the problem I would suggest to solder a
10kohms resistor between live and neutral in the SDSV consoles pad inputs.
You could do this in the pad or the cables too, but then these would not be
useful for anything else. It is not difficult to open the case. You see a
long wire soldered over all of the 7 pad input XLRs: That is ground/neutral
potential. The coloured wires on the XLRs carry the life potential. So
solder a resistor to each XLR connecting the 2 pins, thats it.
Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim 
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Crosstalk

Hello, 

Recently purchased an SDSV module which I am using with SDS9 pads. I
am having a problem with crosstalk. Snare / hi tom pads are mounted on
the left side stand. Med tom and floor tom on the right side stand.
Most pictures and ads I have seen, show the kit set up in this
fashion. I have adjusted the sensitivity, and while it has helped, it
has still not solved the problem. The pads seem so sensitive in fact,
that I am able to trigger sounds from lightly tapping on the tom
stands themselves! Was this a problem with the simmons SDSV? I would
love to keep it this set-up, but if I can't use it in a live setting,
due to false triggering, sesitivity and crosstalk, then I'll be forced
to part with it. Would switching to the older SDSV pads solve this
problem perhaps? Any help would help!!!! Thanks.

Jim

Hi Jim,
if you can find one , the TMI is supposed to manage crosstalks ...
so maybe just passing your trigg signal through  the TMI could solve the
problem ...
Hope that helps , bye ,
Patrice.



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