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I'm not entirely certain what you mean about the "Debate" or "Avant-Garde Music" and what this study has to do with them.
 
Musicians and music-theorists have known about this relationship of music and speech since before Pythagoras. It is the basis for religious cantillation dating back to the time of King David.
 
And "Avant-garde" music hasn't really changed since Ligadi's works in the 1960s. So-called "avant-garde" techniques are regularly used in film scores and on music for TV series. Does anyone--especially theremin players--argue against the validity of the so-called "Avant-garde?"
 
The real debate over "Avant-garde" music should be whether it deserves to maintain its moniker. It is no longer the cutting-edge of anything. Hasn't been for the majority of our lifetimes. It is, rather, just another technique in our expanding vocabulary of sounds. The REAL "Avant-garde," the real cutting-edge has been in electronic music for the past decade and more. And as such, Lev Termin is the progenitor of the blade that cuts. 
 
If someone is so musically lazy that they reject so-called "modernist" techniques in music, i.e. Dodecaphony, Set Theory, Dissonance Indexing, Quartal and Quintal Harmonies, Octatonic Scales (or other synthetic scales), Polytonalities, Polyrhythms, etc. then perhaps they should try playing their theremin in a Baroque ensemble or a Country-music band and see how far it gets them.
 
But, just to be balanced, I should also note that there are many experimentors who think that any crap that they create is a valid work of art, and who hide behind the words "Avant-garde" to validate their excremental issue. Art resonates with an audience. It speaks to someone (other than just the artist). Failed art cannot be redeemed by simply claiming that it is "Avant-garde."
 
As for this study....sure it's fun, but did they get funding to do a study like this? And really, did they need to add tons of reverb to the combined results? They were soaked in it! I should like to hear it completely dry.
 
So enough of my ranting! Please bring us up to date on what this debate is and why the lame study is in any way valuable to the debate.
 
Thanks
 
Carvin
 
 
 
  

--- On Sat, 9/11/10, rupert chappelle <rupert1manband@...> wrote:


From: rupert chappelle <rupert1manband@...>
Subject: [Aetherphon] OT The Speech-to-Song Illusion
To: "aetherphon" aetherphon@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 8:57 AM


There has been great "debate" over avant-garde music and it's validity in the 
theremin "community", albeit one sided as of late as other sides simply cannot 
be tolerated in some matters by some folks  and I think that this study and 
experiment explains why patterns are not perceived as patterns until the brain 
has been taught to do so.


http://www.acoustics.org/press/156th/deutsch.html

Musicality, has to be taught, or closely repeated, for it to be registered as a 
music.

I think it is interesting that the tune was repeated precisely by different 
listeners so much so that they could be multitracked as if they were working 
together. The music is meta or above the individual particpants. Multitracking 
with the theremin produces the same effect as the piece exists outside of the 
individual tracks and is simply put together like a puzzle. I have also noticed 
that differnt pieces can be played together at the same time and act as a whole, 
just as parts are played together to produce a piece.

The form exists outside of the artist and participant.
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Often, when confronted with new forms of music, it is dismissed as noise or that 
it all sounds alike until the patterns and forms have been learned. I have found 
that the more you pay attention, the more you hear music everywhere.


      



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