Ok Kevin, this is very useful info for me . My friend Arturo Cid will let me test his rc50 unit this weekend (he will bring it from Granada to Madrid) and I will try this. Does this setting allows recording a sequence from it to another pedal, and then use it with 100%feedback hile using a 3rd pedal (or even the 1st) ? This would be just perfect and would do the unit complete for me. The The echoplex seems great, but I find it way too expensive. I am not a proffessional player, so spending 1000 euro in an effect is maybe too much for an amateur. The RC50 has a downloadable firmware. SO, it means that, with enough pressure from customers and future ones to Roland, maybe they could program this useful function to the unit... maybe... Oscar ----- Original Message ----- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: spellbound-l@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [SPELLBOUND-L] Looper pedals for decaying layers OK... finally got a chance to try this. Arrghh... I shouldn't have written out of my head ... what I called a "Line Input" is really called "Aux input" on the RC50... However, the loop fading with each iteration works as expected -- I just have to adjust the AUX level to control the amount of feedback. I had to use a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter cord to make this work (cheap 'n dirty -- the aux input is actually a 1/8" stereo input -- the mono patchcord was ok for this experiment). One could simply place a volume pedal between the "Sub out" and the "Aux In" to control the feedback in real time. The output level can be controlled via MIDI CC messages which allows the possibility of control from a computer. I am surprised that Roland didn't build feedback into the unit -- however it wasn't too difficult to make it work with a patchcord. I am a "newbie" in the world of real-time looping... and I don't consider myself experienced enough to recommend one loop station over another. However, if you have questions about the RC50, I'll be happy to research them for you. -- Kevin Quoting Oscar <oscar@...>: > Well finally a possible answer for what I was looking for!!! > > I will try it at the store this weekend if possible, but please > keep me informed about how it works > > > Saludos, > > Óscar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kkissinger@... > To: spellbound-l@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SPELLBOUND-L] Looper pedals for decaying layers > > > Hi! > > This topic is a good one and has had me scratching my head for a few > days since reading about this issue on TW. I own an RC50 loop station > and it has two modes of looping, namely "Overdub" and "Replace". > > In "Overdub" mode, as the loop repeats one can overdub -- that is add > the live material to the loop. The RC50 apparently has a pretty good > algorithm for keeping the old material from "fading" into the mix -- > my hunch is that the RC50 averages the sound rather than mixes it > algebraically. The point is that "Overdub" mode keeps each pass of > the loop indefinately. > > In "Replace" mode, the loop repeats and you are replacing the contents > of the loop with new material while the old material plays. Yes, this > is a little "weird": You play material on the track, the material > plays back while you record along with the track, then the new > material plays back on the next pass -- that is, only the most > recently recorded track is repeated. > > The difficulty is to have a loop that works similar to the old > echoplex tape loop where a track becomes successively softer on each > iteration of the loop. This is accomplished by mixing a portion of > the looper's output to the looper's input. > > Since the RC-50 has a built-in mixer, you could accomplish the "fading > track" as follows: (this example for a mono loop) > > 1) patch the Theremin's output to the looper's instrument input (the > input has its own input level so you should be able to back it off if > need be) > > 2) Assign the loop track's output to both the main and sub output busses. > > 3) Connect a patch cord from the sub output to the line input. > > 4) Adjust the line input level -- a the higher the level, the longer > it takes for the track to fade out. > > Note that this method takes you out of the digital domain, so you will > get analog loop artifacts (noise buildup, etc) which may or may not be > a problem depending on the effect you want. > > Of course, with a small external mixer, one could get into more > elaborate schemes with ping-pongs and effects in the echo loop. > > Even with a simple loop station, the key to a track fading out with > each pass is feedback -- that is, you take part of the output signal > and mix it back into the input. > > I, too want the option of successively fading loops, and this solution > should work. Anyway, I worked out this solution while sitting at my > desk (day job) and I'm looking forward to running home and playing > around with this. > > -- Kevin > > Quoting Oscar <oscar@...>: > > > Hi people! > > > > AS I am asking everywhere else, I am looking for any pedal/group > of pedals > > to achieve the effect of "constant decaying layers" Pamelia > uses. I know She > > uses a DL4, but there must be better choices at the market. > > > > TO explain what I am looking for, look this video of the violinist Ed > > Alleyne Johnson: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fHOwTp0gXs > > > > Anyone here knows any delay/looper unit able to make this effect? > > I mean, with enough seconds ver loop to play a melody and harmonize it. > > > > Thanks guys! > > > > Óscar > > > > > > > > SPELLBOUND-L, the glocal thereminist community > > > > To contact the moderator, e-mail porphyrous@... > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Re: [SPELLBOUND-L] Looper pedals for decaying layers
2007-01-17 by Oscar