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Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-08 by Mary Jones

Dear Gordon,
I hope everyone realizes that although I am putting a person's name in the subject line, my post is not just directed towards them.  It is for all of you.  I am merely putting the person's name up so I can try to keep track of the various threads these posts are taking.  
Now I'm going to answer within this e-mail as there as several things I'd like to say at different points.

>>>You may like to consider an alternative approach - thinking of the
>>>theremin not as a melodic instrument but as an ur-synthesizer and an
>>>instrument of electronic and experimental music.
>>
>> I have to say that you're moving out of my turf. I am going to have  
>> to sit with this concept a while to assimalate it, I think. I'm  
>> conditioned totally into pitch and tone quality in producing on an  
>> instrument. My forte is classical piano and harp. Outside of being  
>> a amateur radio operator (my son is, too) we have no electrical  
>> experience. I'm willing to explore this area. It's just foreign to me.

>I know what you mean. I bought my first theremin on a whim without  
>giving much consideration to my lack of musical training, and it felt  
>very daring and radical to go against all the advice available from  
>classical theremin players, but at the same time the logic of using  
>an electronic instrument to make electronic music was undeniable.

That took a lot of nerve to blindly go to a musical instrument without any background in music.  When I went into ham radio I was pretty blind.  I still think I am.  I haven't been able to explore it even though I've had interest in it.  I remember at the time thinking that I might be trying to express an interest in electronic music, but that's as far as I got.  I simply didn't know enough to say any more.  When I was at the conservatory I was somewhat interested in this, but the opportunities of exploring electronic music (for me) just weren't there.  I was at the top of my class, so coupling that with a total emersion into the harp from just sheer love for it, I really didn't have time to move in any other direction.  As time has gone on, I've felt a bit freer, but still, the harp is quite strong for me.  
An interesting thing happened for me tonight though.  I went to our library where they have cable connection for their computers.  As you know, this allows for a high speed connection.  They had headphones, so I immediately went to Peter's site where I could listen to him for the first time and watch him on the videos.  I got so engaged while listening that my hands began to respond.  I began to push for certain things.  I began to feel the instrument in my hands.  I finally stopped myself and turned the headphones over to my son who became entranced with it.  He just froze in one spot and listened.  He's hooked even more now, I believe.  He said he was surprised I liked it.  Peter plays really well.  I particularly liked his piece for Clara Rockmore.  Now I remember that that is who I heard on the movie about the theremin.  She really impressed me in that movie.  

>Now, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight I think of it as "the music  
>I didn't notice" - during my formative years the BBC Radiophonic  
>Workshop was in its heyday, producing soundtracks not just for family  
>favourites like Doctor Who, Bleep And Booster and The Tomorrow People  
>but also the majority of educational programming that we watched at  
>school in the 60's and 70's. (I'm 47.) Your experiences may vary  
>depending on your taste in TV programmes, but it is still to be found  
>in the atmospheric soundtracks of certain sci-fi, surreal and horror  
>movies, and some pop-science documentaries. (This, incidentally is  
>why I produce little videos to go with my recordings - it places the  
>sounds in a context where the listener might be more familiar with  
>them. And for me the process of creating them is a way of thinking  
>about and making sense of what I have recorded.)

I can see that.  The films make for an interesting aspect.  I very much enjoyed listening to your work.  It was very compelling.  I thought the sounds and the pictures coupled nicely together.  I'm one of these people that often try to mentally figure things out.  My mind just wants to do that. lol!  So, when I see my music having a certain effect, I try to analize it--why is it happening, what am I doing, can I verbally express it to another human being, etc.  Who knows if I ever figure it out correctly or not.  I still try.  Yesterday when I was playing, I got some very unusual responses, so I tried to immediately figure it out.  I was also trying to see if I could give it to someone else.  I have an adult student, so if she continues long enough, I will see if I can pass it on to her.  I feel like I can.  She's already told me that it's very exciting.  In any case, when I saw your pictures, I felt the same thing.  I felt that you were passing on to us your experience with the theremin by communicating through pictures.  It's very effective, probably much more so than words.  

>For a "jumping in at the deep end" introduction to the early days of  
>electronic music you could do far worse than renting a copy of  
>Forbidden Planet.

I hadn't thought about that, but I think you're right.  Sometimes when I watch pictures I get so involved that even though I'm a musician, the music just passes me right on by especially if the music is taking a supportive role versus a highlighted solo song sung.  Now that you've mentioned it, I should listen to "Forbidden Planet" just listening to the music.  I'll see if I can get it.  It'll probably have to be after the holidays though.  My son should hear it, too.     

>This is what Wikipedia says about the soundtrack:

>"The movie's innovative electronic music score (credited as  
>"electronic tonalities", partly to avoid having to pay movie industry  
>music guild fees) was composed by Louis and Bebe Barron. MGM producer  
>Dore Schary discovered the couple quite by chance at a beatnik  
>nightclub in Greenwich Village while on a family Christmas visit to  
>New York City. Schary hired them on the spot to compose the film  
>music score. The theremin (which was not used in Forbidden Planet)  
>had been used as early as 1945, in Spellbound, but their score is  
>widely credited with being the first completely electronic film  
>score. The soundtrack preceded the Moog synthesizer of 1964 by almost  
>a decade.
>"Using equations from the 1948 book, Cybernetics: Or, Control and  
>Communication in the Animal and the Machine by mathematician Norbert  
>Wiener, Louis Barron constructed the electronic circuits which he  
>used to generate the "bleeps, blurps, whirs, whines, throbs, hums and  
>screeches". Most of the tonalities were generated using a circuit  
>called a ring modulator. After recording the base sounds, the Barrons  
>further manipulated the material by adding effects, such as  
>reverberation and delay, and reversing or changing the speed of  
>certain sounds."

Thank you for this.  I'm very interested.  This week I've got several more parties to play for and then Christmas Eve is always popular.  After that I might have a wedding or two and then things should slow down a bit.  

>(On a side note - if you know how a ham radio works you are a good  
>step towards understanding how a theremin works - at the core it  
>heterodynes two RF waveforms to produce an audible beat frequency.  
>"Ring modulators" - as mentioned above - are essentially the same,  
>but processing waveforms in the audio range rather than at radio  
>frequencies.)

I'm hoping I'm a bit more prepared just because of that education.  At least I've heard a few electronic terms.  

>One final suggestion - ear training for this sort of music - I  
>practice something called "deep listening" - listening to the sounds  
>that fill our everyday lives with the same attention that one would  
>give to a classical concert. The world has become an increasingly  
>noisy place since the Industrial Revolution, and mostly we filter  
>them out - but the sounds we ignore are the basis of the music we  
>didn't notice. :-)

>Gordon Charlton

You are right about this.  One of the things I listen to is the sounds within the body.  I listen to pulse and blood flow.  That's just me, though.  

Merrie

Re: [Aetherphon] Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-08 by Gordon Charlton

On 8 Dec 2009, at 08:36, Mary Jones wrote:
>
>  That took a lot of nerve to blindly go to a musical instrument  
> without any background in music.
>
Not really. I enjoy figuring stuff out for myself, and I like a  
challenge. My previous forays into writing and photography helped a  
lot. Plus I was a teenager at the height of Punk Rock, so the idea  
that you can just pick up an instrument and make a great big glorious  
noise seems entirely natural.


> An interesting thing happened for me tonight though. I went to our  
> library where they have cable connection for their computers. As  
> you know, this allows for a high speed connection. They had  
> headphones, so I immediately went to Peter's site where I could  
> listen to him for the first time and watch him on the videos.
>
Peter's a great musician. Next time you're at the library, check out  
this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs55UYGfpE0

It's my favourite of his - and there's no theremin! You might find it  
interesting though - the title of the video is "Song By RUMI - Celtic  
Harp & Surbahar"

Actually - a word in favour of melodic theremin playing - theremin  
and harp is a match made in heaven - both have an angelic quality  
about them, without treading on each other's toes.

Also a caveat about playing atonal theremin - as far as I know no-one  
has ever started out playing atonally and then later learned to play  
in tune. Accepted wisdom is that you'd pick up far too many bad  
habits to make a successful transition.

> I began to feel the instrument in my hands.
>
You're doing it wrong! Hahaha.


> I finally stopped myself and turned the headphones over to my son  
> who became entranced with it. He just froze in one spot and  
> listened. He's hooked even more now, I believe. He said he was  
> surprised I liked it. Peter plays really well. I particularly liked  
> his piece for Clara Rockmore. Now I remember that that is who I  
> heard on the movie about the theremin. She really impressed me in  
> that movie.
>
Here are some more listening suggestions for your next library visit  
- some of my personal favourites. Should save you time searching  
through some of the more mediocre performances. (But do watch Joe  
Theremin - hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi69hDPupGs )

First of all, no discussion of experimental theremin can rightly go  
this long without mentioning the brilliant and demented Pamelia Kurstin.

For a taster, visit her myspace site - http://www.myspace.com/ 
pameliakurstin - check out "Purcell" to hear her classical chops,  
then "Theremin Orchestra" for her experimental work with theremin and  
looper.


Then go to http://www.ted.com/talks/ 
pamelia_kurstin_plays_the_theremin.html and settle down for a 20  
minute show. Watch out for about three minutes in, where she breaks  
out one of her trademarks - "walking bass on a theremin"


OK, back to youtube...

Barbara Buchholz is lovely. Here she plays one of her own  
compositions - Seaweed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDzDV_f1jw


There's a good reason that people say Lydia Kavina is the best living  
thereminist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4TgYkqdi8


A couple of very gifted youngsters:
Carolina Eyck - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XGkZXu4YA
Charlie Draper - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvm3rS5Llk


Do you get "Midsomer Murders" on the TV? It's a British drama. Here's  
Celia Sheen - who features a lot in the soundtrack - playing the  
title tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTZK9FNgK74


It's probably not a surprise that theremins are very popular in  
Japan. Here's a young woman who really makes it into a Japanese  
instrument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQenM5LaBI


I could go on, but that will do for now.


Gordon

Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-08 by Mary Jones

Dear Gordon,

Thank you so much for all of these links.  When I can get back to the library, these will be great.  I can do a bit of it at home.  It just takes a long time to download them and then the quality is not always good.  

I can see how the quality of the theremin and the harp are so very similiar.  They both resonate quite a bit.  Despite what it might seem, my experience of playing the harp is much like pulling it out of the air, but that's me.  I experience it as being made physical through the use of the harp but that what is, is there.  It only becomes tangible with the use of the harp.  Less and less am I experiencing the physical instrument.  More and more I am experiencing the music that is all around us.  Oh, dear.  Don't get me started or in my desire I will go downstairs and start trying to play my television antenna...

From my experience with musicians playing classically and playing atonally, I agree with you.  I do not know of anyone that has started atonally and has switched to the discipline of classical.  Even on a small scale, it can be a nightmare.  I had a student years ago that had had a very poor harp teacher.  She was doing everything in reverse.  She was playing quite a bit of music and pleased with herself.  The problem was that she wanted to study at the conservatory and no one wanted her.  When someone gets that advanced AND is happy with their product, it is overwhelmingly frustrating to go to the very beginning and relearn everything.  Slowing down to that degree, restricting yourself so you cannot produce, takes tremendous patience.  We got the job done though.  I set her up in a practice room next to mine and she could not touch the harp unless I was with her.  It took tons of time, but after about six months, she was OK and was admitted into the conservatory. I was there when she was asked if this change over hadn't been really difficult.  She had this blank look on her face as if to say, "What are you talking about?" and she responded quietly, "No."  I ended up qualifying as the only person allowed to teach the harp at the conservatory besides my teacher.  So, believe me.  I know!!

Again, thank you for all of these links.  I can't wait to hear them all.  What a thrill!
I wish I could record them and my son could listen to them.  By the way, are there any CDs of these performers or is most of it on the Internet?

Thanks again.

Merrie 

--- gordonc@theremin.org.uk wrote:
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From: Gordon Charlton <gordonc@theremin.org.uk>
To: aetherphon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Aetherphon] Gordon - First post- interest in theremin
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:54:39 +0000


On 8 Dec 2009, at 08:36, Mary Jones wrote:
>
>  That took a lot of nerve to blindly go to a musical instrument  
> without any background in music.
>
Not really. I enjoy figuring stuff out for myself, and I like a  
challenge. My previous forays into writing and photography helped a  
lot. Plus I was a teenager at the height of Punk Rock, so the idea  
that you can just pick up an instrument and make a great big glorious  
noise seems entirely natural.


> An interesting thing happened for me tonight though. I went to our  
> library where they have cable connection for their computers. As  
> you know, this allows for a high speed connection. They had  
> headphones, so I immediately went to Peter's site where I could  
> listen to him for the first time and watch him on the videos.
>
Peter's a great musician. Next time you're at the library, check out  
this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs55UYGfpE0

It's my favourite of his - and there's no theremin! You might find it  
interesting though - the title of the video is "Song By RUMI - Celtic  
Harp & Surbahar"

Actually - a word in favour of melodic theremin playing - theremin  
and harp is a match made in heaven - both have an angelic quality  
about them, without treading on each other's toes.

Also a caveat about playing atonal theremin - as far as I know no-one  
has ever started out playing atonally and then later learned to play  
in tune. Accepted wisdom is that you'd pick up far too many bad  
habits to make a successful transition.

> I began to feel the instrument in my hands.
>
You're doing it wrong! Hahaha.


> I finally stopped myself and turned the headphones over to my son  
> who became entranced with it. He just froze in one spot and  
> listened. He's hooked even more now, I believe. He said he was  
> surprised I liked it. Peter plays really well. I particularly liked  
> his piece for Clara Rockmore. Now I remember that that is who I  
> heard on the movie about the theremin. She really impressed me in  
> that movie.
>
Here are some more listening suggestions for your next library visit  
- some of my personal favourites. Should save you time searching  
through some of the more mediocre performances. (But do watch Joe  
Theremin - hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi69hDPupGs )

First of all, no discussion of experimental theremin can rightly go  
this long without mentioning the brilliant and demented Pamelia Kurstin.

For a taster, visit her myspace site - http://www.myspace.com/ 
pameliakurstin - check out "Purcell" to hear her classical chops,  
then "Theremin Orchestra" for her experimental work with theremin and  
looper.


Then go to http://www.ted.com/talks/ 
pamelia_kurstin_plays_the_theremin.html and settle down for a 20  
minute show. Watch out for about three minutes in, where she breaks  
out one of her trademarks - "walking bass on a theremin"


OK, back to youtube...

Barbara Buchholz is lovely. Here she plays one of her own  
compositions - Seaweed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDzDV_f1jw


There's a good reason that people say Lydia Kavina is the best living  
thereminist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4TgYkqdi8


A couple of very gifted youngsters:
Carolina Eyck - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XGkZXu4YA
Charlie Draper - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvm3rS5Llk


Do you get "Midsomer Murders" on the TV? It's a British drama. Here's  
Celia Sheen - who features a lot in the soundtrack - playing the  
title tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTZK9FNgK74


It's probably not a surprise that theremins are very popular in  
Japan. Here's a young woman who really makes it into a Japanese  
instrument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQenM5LaBI


I could go on, but that will do for now.


Gordon



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Re: [Aetherphon] Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-08 by Gordon Charlton

On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:45, Mary Jones wrote:

> By the way, are there any CDs of these performers or is most of it  
> on the Internet?


Pamelia Kurstin - Thinking Out Loud on Tzadik Records - #7717  
(Recordings of live performances - I was there at track 1. London. :-)

Barbara Buchholz - Theremin: Russia With Love and Moonstruck on  
Intuition - Int 33822 and Int 34022

Lydia Kavina - Music From The Ether and Spellbound! on Mode Records -  
mode 76 and mode 199

Lydia Kavina and Barbara Buchholz - Touch! Don't Touch! on Wergo  
Records - WER 66792

Carolina Eyck - Carolina Eyck plays works for Theremin on Servi - SE  
42.08 CD

(Carolina also has an excellent classical method book - get book and  
CD here http://www.servi.de/EShop/index.html )

Celia Sheen - Day The Earth Stood Still (Score) on Varese Sarabande -  
302 066 314 2

Beat Frequency - The Chordless Chord, with booklet The Beat Frequency  
Method, self-published, details at http://tinyurl.com/beatfreqbook ;-)


Gordon

Re: [Aetherphon] Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-08 by Gordon Charlton

On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:45, Mary Jones wrote:

>
> Dear Gordon,
>
> Thank you so much for all of these links. When I can get back to  
> the library, these will be great.
>

Oh, just one more. http://tinyurl.com/yax4fqa

This is Barbara Buchholz on Das Supertalent ("Germany's Got Talent")  
with an excellent rendition of Over The Rainbow after the judges oaf  
about with her theremin.


Gordon

Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-10 by Mary Jones

Thank you, Gordon.  Next week when I get a bit of free time, I'm going to save all this on my computer so I can refer back to it.  
Merrie


>On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:45, Mary Jones wrote:
> By the way, are there any CDs of these performers or is most of it  
> on the Internet?

--- gordonc@... wrote:

Pamelia Kurstin - Thinking Out Loud on Tzadik Records - #7717  
(Recordings of live performances - I was there at track 1. London. :-)

Barbara Buchholz - Theremin: Russia With Love and Moonstruck on  
Intuition - Int 33822 and Int 34022

Lydia Kavina - Music From The Ether and Spellbound! on Mode Records -  
mode 76 and mode 199

Lydia Kavina and Barbara Buchholz - Touch! Don't Touch! on Wergo  
Records - WER 66792

Carolina Eyck - Carolina Eyck plays works for Theremin on Servi - SE  
42.08 CD

(Carolina also has an excellent classical method book - get book and  
CD here http://www.servi.de/EShop/index.html )

Celia Sheen - Day The Earth Stood Still (Score) on Varese Sarabande -  
302 066 314 2

Beat Frequency - The Chordless Chord, with booklet The Beat Frequency  
Method, self-published, details at http://tinyurl.com/beatfreqbook ;-)


Gordon

Gordon - First post- interest in theremin

2009-12-10 by Mary Jones

Oh, I bet this is good!  I can't wait to see it.  
I'm heading into another busy few days, but by Monday, I should be free to explore all of this.
Thank you, Gordon.  I appreciate all this imput.
Merrie

>On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:45, Mary Jones wrote:
> Dear Gordon,
>
> Thank you so much for all of these links. When I can get back to  
> the library, these will be great.
>

Oh, just one more. http://tinyurl.com/yax4fqa

This is Barbara Buchholz on Das Supertalent ("Germany's Got Talent")  
with an excellent rendition of Over The Rainbow after the judges oaf  
about with her theremin.


Gordon

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