Analogue-sequencer

yes i have a syncshift mark2 unit! it`s supernice! with this i can offset midiclock start for any device i want to.. i use a  sort of loopsurfing device.. but can also be used to send dinsync if you like..
it can of course also be used to correct midiclock delays from a computer sending midi to extrernal gear.
or the other way around
i love it..


hysham2000 <isham@hispeed.ch> wrote:                             HI ,
 
 I've learned many things on timing on this site, does someone know 
 these products (I received a very quick and nice answer from the 
 owner) ?
 
 http://web.webhost4life.com/innerclock/index.asp?action=page&name=16
 
 --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, henry stamerjohann 
 <audio@...> wrote:
 >
 > Hi robin,
 > 
 > internal of a software host with instruments or standalone of a  
 > software you won't have such timing problems if
 > the developers make sure plugins follow the internal tempo exactly  
 > (its a C function allowing things like sample accurate triggering) 
 so  
 > that is no point of discussion.
 > tempo is calculated by the CPU (intel, AMD, PPC) in PPQ and often 
 runs  
 > interpolated so you have higher increments, good hosts get locked 
 with  
 > the audio card driver so the clock can
 > be stable internally up to a certain degree (ASIO, Cora Audio) so 
 no  
 > timing problems need to happen for this DAW integrated system of 
 host  
 > + plugin-instruments,
 > I didn't made a statement against this.
 > 
 > BUT as soon as you start to use the midi engine and try going 
 outside  
 > of the CPU (classic midi, USB, ethernet) getting tight tempo is a
 > problem, so is the groove. you have some significant jitter to 
 deal  
 > with so sooner or later the dtempo drifts and things run out of 
 sync.
 > 
 > do your homework and read about timing with computer software 
 topic  
 > carefully in the web.
 > the short summary is since AtariST all following  mac/windows CPU  
 > calculated tempos are not tight any more,
 > due to the multitasking/multithreading CPU architecture its not  
 > possible to achive that goal for developers and they don't adress 
 this  
 > as priority issue either
 > as the most users don't notice anyway as they do everything in the  
 > box, also the possibilities of modern DAW will give you many other  
 > advantages in music production
 > but they are definitely not the holy grail of groove and thight 
 tempo.
 > 
 > people like Colin and other hardware developers building  
 > stepsequencers / grooveboxes etc. craete dedicated hardware for 
 the  
 > purpose
 > of better timing and quality groove combined with a tactical 
 hardware  
 > interface.
 > as soon as you try using the common available protocols 
 (midiclock,  
 > MTC) your sync sucks - somtimes you can ignore this often you can't
 > if you have TR909, TR808, MPCs and want them synced well to a 
 current  
 > DAW.
 > 
 > seems you haven't tried the above for yourself and thats OK but 
 don't  
 > expect a Software emulating the P3 or similar will perform equal 
 to  
 > the real device,
 > as soon as its triggering midi hardware it will show its weakness- 
 a  
 > dedicated hardware device will perform better period.
 > 
 > the most accurate way of syncing a DAW with midi hardware a 
 wordclock  
 > and SMPTE is required , only some MPCs have this feature, or you 
 need  
 > a special device inserted
 > (Atari ST with Notator, innerclock sync-shift etc.) to manually  
 > compensate offset and have a low jitter constant clock.
 > 
 > cheers,
 > henry
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > but if you want to replace a dedicated hardware sequencer
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Am 20.11.2008 um 14:42 schrieb Robin:
 > 
 > > If what you are saying about software vs hardware were true - how 
 do  
 > > you
 > > explain Ableton Live?
 > >
 > > Seems to keep excellent tempo while in control of a multitude of 
 VST
 > > instruments - in and out midi streams and many tracks of audio...
 > >
 > > Todays computers tweaked for music performance are very good at  
 > > multitasking
 > > and can emulate hardware very well.
 > >
 > > I run three computers and three copies of Live - al tempo synced 
 via  
 > > midi -
 > > to a nord electribe - solid as can be. My P3 is SLAVED to this  
 > > system...
 > >
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