Analogue-sequencer

one of the hardware box I've talked about...

Am 20.11.2008 um 23:15 schrieb peter sedin:

> yes i have a syncshift mark2 unit! it`s supernice! with this i can  
> offset midiclock start for any device i want to.. i use a sort of  
> loopsurfing device.. but can also be used to send dinsync if you  
> like..
> it can of course also be used to correct midiclock delays from a  
> computer sending midi to extrernal gear.
> or the other way around
> i love it..
>
> hysham2000 <isham@hispeed.ch> wrote: HI ,
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> I've learned many things on timing on this site, does someone know
> these products (I received a very quick and nice answer from the
> owner) ?
>
> http://web.webhost4life.com/innerclock/index.asp?action=page&name=16
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> --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, henry stamerjohann
> <audio@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi robin,
> >
> > internal of a software host with instruments or standalone of a
> > software you won't have such timing problems if
> > the developers make sure plugins follow the internal tempo exactly
> > (its a C function allowing things like sample accurate triggering)
> so
> > that is no point of discussion.
> > tempo is calculated by the CPU (intel, AMD, PPC) in PPQ and often
> runs
> > interpolated so you have higher increments, good hosts get locked
> with
> > the audio card driver so the clock can
> > be stable internally up to a certain degree (ASIO, Cora Audio) so
> no
> > timing problems need to happen for this DAW integrated system of
> host
> > + plugin-instruments,
> > I didn't made a statement against this.
> >
> > BUT as soon as you start to use the midi engine and try going
> outside
> > of the CPU (classic midi, USB, ethernet) getting tight tempo is a
> > problem, so is the groove. you have some significant jitter to
> deal
> > with so sooner or later the dtempo drifts and things run out of
> sync.
> >
> > do your homework and read about timing with computer software
> topic
> > carefully in the web.
> > the short summary is since AtariST all following mac/windows CPU
> > calculated tempos are not tight any more,
> > due to the multitasking/multithreading CPU architecture its not
> > possible to achive that goal for developers and they don't adress
> this
> > as priority issue either
> > as the most users don't notice anyway as they do everything in the
> > box, also the possibilities of modern DAW will give you many other
> > advantages in music production
> > but they are definitely not the holy grail of groove and thight
> tempo.
> >
> > people like Colin and other hardware developers building
> > stepsequencers / grooveboxes etc. craete dedicated hardware for
> the
> > purpose
> > of better timing and quality groove combined with a tactical
> hardware
> > interface.
> > as soon as you try using the common available protocols
> (midiclock,
> > MTC) your sync sucks - somtimes you can ignore this often you can't
> > if you have TR909, TR808, MPCs and want them synced well to a
> current
> > DAW.
> >
> > seems you haven't tried the above for yourself and thats OK but
> don't
> > expect a Software emulating the P3 or similar will perform equal
> to
> > the real device,
> > as soon as its triggering midi hardware it will show its weakness-
> a
> > dedicated hardware device will perform better period.
> >
> > the most accurate way of syncing a DAW with midi hardware a
> wordclock
> > and SMPTE is required , only some MPCs have this feature, or you
> need
> > a special device inserted
> > (Atari ST with Notator, innerclock sync-shift etc.) to manually
> > compensate offset and have a low jitter constant clock.
> >
> > cheers,
> > henry
> >
> >
> >
> > but if you want to replace a dedicated hardware sequencer
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 20.11.2008 um 14:42 schrieb Robin:
> >
> > > If what you are saying about software vs hardware were true - how
> do
> > > you
> > > explain Ableton Live?
> > >
> > > Seems to keep excellent tempo while in control of a multitude of
> VST
> > > instruments - in and out midi streams and many tracks of audio...
> > >
> > > Todays computers tweaked for music performance are very good at
> > > multitasking
> > > and can emulate hardware very well.
> > >
> > > I run three computers and three copies of Live - al tempo synced
> via
> > > midi -
> > > to a nord electribe - solid as can be. My P3 is SLAVED to this
> > > system...
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