Analogue-sequencer

Herman, I may have answered my own question here. Has anyone tried the 
innerclock systems sync-lock 
(http://web.webhost4life.com/innerclock/index.asp?action=page&name=16) , 
it looks like it could provide the answer...anyone with any experience 
of this device or shall I be the first
cheers
sean

sean zoega wrote:
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> Herman, many thanks for getting in touch...I still have a final few
> tests to do but I am tending towards agreeing with you. I have just made
> sure that everything is running the latest drivers etc. and I am running
> a very simple test set-up but at the moment MIDI clock is just totally
> unstable and unusable. I have been doing some tests and if I have the P3
> and Cubase synced up and just press the "loop" button or turn on a track
> with the P3 the sync. is gone.
>
> This raises an interesting issue;
> do I just abandon DAW's and go the hardware sequencer route
> or find a way to sync. Logic/Cubase to P3
>
> On the hardware route, what are you using Herman...how do you record
> vocals/guitar?
> At the moment I really like some of the sequenced synths within Reaktor
> and love the FM8 sequencer and If the problem is with the PC/MAC then
> swapping to Logic isnt going to solve anything.....so how do I do this?
> Does anybody know of a device that I could use as a studio Master Clock
> that outputs wordclock or SMPTE to Cubase/Logic whilst simultaneously
> sending out a solid MIDI clock? This seems to be the only solution if
> you want to actually embrace any of the computer audio developments of
> the last twenty years and still use a P3.
>
> or does anybody make a device that solids up the MIDI clock...this seems
> like a reasonably simple thing to do...it just averages out the tempo of
> last second of MIDI clock and outputs this as nice solid MIDI
> clock...you would lose the ability to change tempo, but this would be a
> small price to pay to actually to be able to sync the devices together
> and actually play in tempo (the number 1 requirement of music)
>
> sean (frustrated of Chorlton)
>
> Herman Dackenberg wrote:
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> >
> > Hi Sean,
> > I don't even have a P3 (waiting eagerly for the Cirklon), but
> > unfortunately
> > I must say that MIDI in my experience, MIDI from PC's and Mac's are
> > not that
> > tight. This also goes for MIDI-clock. I've been incredibly frustrated by
> > this for over 10 years, and decided to go with hardware sequencers and
> > Atari. Anyway, my experience with MIDI clock from PC's is that it's 
> simply
> > not good enough - too much jitter. Of course some hardware 
> configurations
> > are better than others, but the problem still persists.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Herman Dackenberg
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:09 PM, sean zoega <sean@zoega.co.uk 
> <mailto:sean%40zoega.co.uk>
> > <mailto:sean%40zoega.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Colin, I now have MIDI-0x on my PC...just ordered a USB>MIDI
> > > cable so I can get the MIDI clock into the PC. I'll keep you posted.
> > > Thanks for the info on MTC, sounds like everybody is getting on just
> > > fine with MIDI clock apart from me...so I'm hoping that I can 
> track down
> > > the problem soon..and get back to making noises
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > sean
> > >
> > > Colin f wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Colin...I will investigate. I have lodged a question
> > > > > with Steinberg as I cant see any mentions of problems on any
> > > > > notice boards.
> > > > > Also I'll do the simple stuff like buying a higher quality
> > > > > shorter MIDI lead.
> > > >
> > > > The sure way to see what's going in, if you can beg, borrow or steal
> > > > another
> > > > laptop, would be to pass the MIDI from Cubase to the P3 through
> > something
> > > > like MIDI-Ox, so you can see exactly when MIDI clock bytes are being
> > > sent.
> > > > That should clear up very quickly whether there are any missing 
> bytes,
> > > > clock
> > > > bytes bunched tightly together, or a.n.other problem.
> > > >
> > > > > Can I ask a more general question..you
> > > > > mention new modes of working with MIDI clock with Cirklon but
> > > > > from my investigations MTC would seem to be the preferred
> > > > > method of syncing equipment...is there a reason why you are
> > > > > not going this route?
> > > >
> > > > The new timing mechanism in Cirklon is going to allow support 
> for MTC,
> > > > but I
> > > > still prefer MIDI clock.
> > > > MTC is a linear timecode. It doesn't carry any information about 
> tempo
> > > but
> > > > rather provides an absolute timing reference, which a slaved device
> > > > can then
> > > > use to generate a pre-defined tempo clock.
> > > > This is primarily aimed at syncing devices where the tempo of a
> > project
> > > is
> > > > fixed in advance, either at a single value, or at a series of values
> > > > defined
> > > > in a tempo map - essential if you're composing to a film or video
> > source.
> > > > And it doesn't make much difference if you are locking MIDI 
> tracks to
> > > > recorded audio tracks where the tempo is essentially fixed anyway.
> > > > I prefer to use MIDI clock, as I always set the tempo by feel, and
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > like to have a track tied to a certain tempo from the outset.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Colin Fraser
> > > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
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