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If you're in ARP mode, and use the aux function assign, things get a 
bit confused once you leave the aux func menu. Fixed in v3.953.

Cheers,
Colin f

[asking for more mode on]

Colin, would it be possible to set a fixed lenght of the arp?

Now the length of the arp is set by the number of keys you play.

It would be cool to set a number of steps say 8, where the arp will 
play the notes untill the 8th step in the order you pushed the keys.

So if you hit C-E-G the arp will play C-E-G-C-E-G-C-E and start over 
again. Is that possible?

[asking for more mode off]

Probably asking too much here? :-))

Boele


Op 26-mei-04 om 23:52 heeft colinfraser_com het volgende geschreven:

> If you're in ARP mode, and use the aux function assign, things get a
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I'm curious - I should be receiving my p3 any day now - will I have 
to pay an import duty? If so, does anyone know how much it will be 
(pre-built unit).

Thanks,
Gene

Sorry if these updates are getting too frequent ;-)
v3.955 one adds primitive note repeat functions.
These are triggered using the new 'rep ...' aux events.
'rep * N' will repeat the note on any step N times. The repeated 
notes will be triggered one clock tick after the main note ends, so 
the rate the notes repeat at (and therefore the practical limit on 
the number of repeats) depends on the length.
'rep*<n> +offset' (3 events) will cause the note to repeat either 2, 
3 or 4 times, with an offset added to the note value on each repeat.
Values from 0 to 63 are positive offsets, 64 to 127 are negative - 
I'll update the display on values to show them properly later.
Later versions should also add automatic re-calculation of note 
lengths so the repeated notes can be automatically spread evenly 
along the length of a step, and bipolar velocity offsets.
Have fun !

Cheers,
Colin f

Hi,

I was wondering if it is possible to use endless rotary buttons on the P3?

Greets Bruce


		
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how does the P3 send program changes? are they considered events on the
track so they get sent everytime the sequence loops, or do they only occur
when the sequence is loaded?

ideally, i'd like to have an option somewhere that lets you specify how
they're dealt with... there would be two options: 1) changes are only sent
when the sequence is loaded WHILE THE SEQUENCER IS STOPPED; 2) changes are
sent when the sequence is loaded while the sequencer is stopped OR
playing.

thoughts?

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:13:01 -0500 (CDT), blip <bleep@waste.org> wrote:

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>how does the P3 send program changes? are they considered events on the
>track so they get sent everytime the sequence loops, or do they only occur
>when the sequence is loaded?

There are two types of program changes sent. The first type is sent on
the channel for "track 9" whenever a Bank is loaded. This is useful to
set up multitimbral modules, drum machines etc. ready for performance.
It kinda mirrors the way the Polymorph works.

The other type is as an Aux event - and can be controlled as per all
Aux events - you send it when you need to. I personally use this to
alter patterns on my Electribes and thus provide some variation during
a performance. The trick (which I have not totally mastered) is to
send them exactly when you want to - I would typically store each Aux
event but only unmask or unmute them when I choose.

Does that help?

Paul
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Paul Nagle wrote:

> There are two types of program changes sent. The first type is sent on
> the channel for "track 9" whenever a Bank is loaded. This is useful to
> set up multitimbral modules, drum machines etc. ready for performance.
> It kinda mirrors the way the Polymorph works.

that's good... that's what i would use it for...

> The other type is as an Aux event - and can be controlled as per all
> Aux events - you send it when you need to. I personally use this to

yeah, that sounds *rad*.

> Does that help?

very much! i don't think anything needs to be changed... "banks" just have
to be "songs".

speaking of which... how hard would it be to add more memory to the P3?
could you just swap out some resistors, the RAM controller, and the RAM
chips themselves? or does it involve redesign? i think lack of memory is
the only remotely weak thing about the P3.

god i can't wait to start using it! :)

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> yes it constantly saves. Sometimes you might want to only save an
> entire bank when you load another but that would mean buffering
> everything 

my work on the small app. to exchange banks & patterns between P3-
sequence sets has, of course, been slowed down by a multitude of 
things...most likely my own need for it or annoyance with the lack of 
it will have to come to a boiling point for it to get finished, but 
i'm working on it..

grtz Chiel

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:32:15 -0500 (CDT), blip <bleep@waste.org> wrote:

>that's good... that's what i would use it for...

Me too <g>

>very much! i don't think anything needs to be changed... "banks" just have
>to be "songs".

Yeah, it's how I see them also. 

>god i can't wait to start using it! :)

A feeling I have each day as I get home from work. Still so much to
learn but enjoying every minute!

Paul
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Hi,

Yes, more memory...

The amount of memory is the only thing keeping me to defenitaly go for a p3.

I also use a drummachine from elektron and this has 8 banks off 16 patterns. This is enough to do a liveset, but i would like the p3 to correspond with this amount of patterns.....still it sounds like a wicked sequencer...but more memory would be great.

Bruce


		
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT), bruce thedekaa
<brztdk@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I also use a drummachine from elektron and this has 8 banks off 16 patterns. This is enough to do a liveset, but i would like the p3 to correspond with this amount of patterns.....still it sounds like a wicked sequencer...but more memory would be great.

Whilst I agree that more memory would be awesome, the variable config
of the P3 does allow you to create 12 banks - songs - although each
track can only have a max of 4 patterns. I've played gigs that lasted
2+ hours using only a P3 (audiences very kindly suggested they felt
like longer) and I don't believe at any point lack of variation was an
issue. 

Like all limitations, a bit of creativity can take you a long way.

I guess if you play 12 songs in your first set you could always reload
an alternate bank of 12 at half time via sysex? Or reprogram the
pattens live? 

But yeah, I'd like more memory too.. 8-)

Paul

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> speaking of which... how hard would it be to add more memory 
> to the P3?
> could you just swap out some resistors, the RAM controller, 
> and the RAM
> chips themselves? or does it involve redesign? i think lack 
> of memory is
> the only remotely weak thing about the P3.

The processor in P3 has a 16 bit address space, so the 64k that's fitted
is the maximum possible without bank switching.
Bear in mind that each track's patterns are independent - there are 384
16 step patterns in there with 8 bytes of data per step.
To support more memory, I'd need to design bank-switching logic with
extra memory slots on a daughtboard, and add software support for it.
Not impossible, but there would need to be some demand for it.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Paul Nagle wrote:

> Whilst I agree that more memory would be awesome, the variable config
> of the P3 does allow you to create 12 banks - songs - although each
> track can only have a max of 4 patterns. I've played gigs that lasted
> 2+ hours using only a P3 (audiences very kindly suggested they felt
> like longer) and I don't believe at any point lack of variation was an
> issue.
>
> Like all limitations, a bit of creativity can take you a long way.

part of my issue with the lack of memory is that i want/need to use the P3
like you'd use a normal sequencer AND like the freaky thing it is... the
idea is to be able to use several recognizable sequences to play actual
songs, then get freaky with them *while* they're playing... so someone in
the audience could think, "yeah, that's 'white death,' i dig that song!"
and then "holy shit it's 'white death' getting all fucked up and wild!!!"
later on... the idea being that the songs are recognizable, but each
performance of them is different. i don't need *much* more... 8 banks of 8
patterns would be great. 6 of 8 doesn't allow for enough songs for a set,
and 12 of 4 allows for too little structure in a song, though this is
likely the option my P3 will be set at...

it would be nice to be able to have enough memory for multiple sets, but i
know that's probably out of the question... besides, i probably wouldn't
perform a powernoise set the same night as an ambient set anyway...
storing sets via sysex seems an acceptable solution, though it would be
nice to not have to. :)

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>Whilst I agree that more memory would be awesome, the variable config
of the P3 does allow you to create 12 banks - songs - although each
track can only have a max of 4 patterns. I've played gigs that lasted
2+ hours using only a P3 (audiences very kindly suggested they felt
like longer) and I don't believe at any point lack of variation was an
issue. 

It's not the variation i am woried about, it's more an organisation thing for me to keep sort of track with my synthlines and the drumlines from the elektron..

>Like all limitations, a bit of creativity can take you a long way.

I know, i sequense everything on my elektron now.....

>I guess if you play 12 songs in your first set you could always reload
an alternate bank of 12 at half time via sysex? 

Do you know how long a sysex dump takes???

>Or reprogram the
pattens live? 

Does this work the same as on the elektron, that everything you alter is defenitely, or do you have to save the pattern first to put it in memory?

>But yeah, I'd like more memory too.. 8-)

Is this possible Colin???

I also have another question:

Can you make tracks that only excist out of cc numbers/values and no note data? This to make modulations on synths or drums over another pattern that you can mute or unmute?

Greets Bruce......


Paul

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Colin f wrote:

> The processor in P3 has a 16 bit address space, so the 64k that's fitted
> is the maximum possible without bank switching.

ahhhh...

> Bear in mind that each track's patterns are independent - there are 384
> 16 step patterns in there with 8 bytes of data per step.

it's hard for me to think in those terms... trying to pull other
patterns is somethign i might do occasionally but not frequently.

> To support more memory, I'd need to design bank-switching logic with
> extra memory slots on a daughtboard, and add software support for it.
> Not impossible, but there would need to be some demand for it.

would it be something you'd hate doing and wouldn't use yourself? if so, i
wouldn't want you to bother with it. but if it does interest you, i'm sure
there'd be a decent demand... about how much do you think the extra PCB
would cost? would a new mainboard be necessary (yikes!)

bleep.
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:08:17 -0700 (PDT), bruce thedekaa
<brztdk@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I know, i sequense everything on my elektron now.....

I used a Monomachine for a while so am familiar with the philosophy of
its sequencer. 

>Do you know how long a sysex dump takes???

Can't remember. Not long - certainly could do it during a break in a
set. 

>Does this work the same as on the elektron, that everything you alter is defenitely, or do you have to save the pattern first to put it in memory?

yes it constantly saves. Sometimes you might want to only save an
entire bank when you load another but that would mean buffering
everything - and Colin has already described just how many patterns
etc. that is.

>Can you make tracks that only excist out of cc numbers/values and no note data? 
>This to make modulations on synths or drums over another pattern that you can mute or unmute?

Oh yes... 8-)

Paul
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:38:55 -0000, ch.³l <oozi@oozi.demon.nl> wrote:

>> yes it constantly saves. Sometimes you might want to only save an
>> entire bank when you load another but that would mean buffering
>> everything 
>
>my work on the small app. to exchange banks & patterns between P3-
>sequence sets has, of course, been slowed down by a multitude of 
>things...most likely my own need for it or annoyance with the lack of 
>it will have to come to a boiling point for it to get finished, but 
>i'm working on it..

Nice one man, I expect that would be very welcome by a number of us.

Paul
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