Analogue-sequencer

And care to tell me what settings i need to use, in order to get the fostex (in my case a d-160) to sync as a slave to the p3?

I know this is more a fostex question then a p3 question, but the fostex manual keeps saying "refer to your sequencers literature"
:/

Things like frame rate..

Basically, i dont really know what im up to.  My MAM sq16 syncs fine, but im pretty confused as to all the questions the fostex is
asking of me, and, i know its lame, but i just thought someone here has probably been through all this before?

(i cant even get the MTC led to light on the front of the fostex at this point)

Cheers, Julian

> And care to tell me what settings i need to use, in order to 
> get the fostex (in my case a d-160) to sync as a slave to the p3?

Does the Fostex sync to midi clock, or does it need midi timecode ?
P3 transmits midi clock (if the 'mclk' option is on), but not midi timecode
(MTC).
MTC is a linear time message not tempo related, essentially the same as
SMPTE.

> Basically, i dont really know what im up to.  My MAM sq16 
> syncs fine, but im pretty confused as to all the questions 
> the fostex is
> asking of me, and, i know its lame, but i just thought 
> someone here has probably been through all this before?

Does the SQ16 send MTC ? Seems like an odd thing for a step sequencer to do.

Cheers,
Colin f

> Does the Fostex sync to midi clock, or does it need midi timecode ?
> P3 transmits midi clock (if the 'mclk' option is on), but not midi timecode
> (MTC).
> MTC is a linear time message not tempo related, essentially the same as
> SMPTE.


Theres mention of MMC in the manual, but then i find the following comment:

"External midi equipment that can be used as the master is limited to those that can output MTC"

> Does the SQ16 send MTC ? Seems like an odd thing for a step sequencer to do.

No, i ment that the SQ16 synced to the p3 fine, not that it controlled the fostex fine (which i havent tried, but going by what you
say....)


Grrr.... So an i stuffed, so far as that goes?  I understand why the p3 dosnt output mtc, but why the fostex dosnt have a simple
sync as well, like every other device...

Any suggestions?  Some way to generate a pseudo MTC?  One that prehaps resets to the beginning of bar one every time a midi START
signal is recieved, and generates a code from there?

Cheers, Julian

> Some way to generate a pseudo MTC?

Well you could drive a computer sequencer/DAW [slave] from the P3
[master]. The computer will then send out MTC to the hard disk recorder.
But I guess that defeats the purpose of the HDR.

A little Atari running Cubase or the like would do the trick.

I have to use the P3 as the sync master for use with Reason. It works
very well. Because Reason cannot act as master because its pants... but
I digress.

Tony

www.oakleysound.com

I wrote> Because Reason cannot act as master because its pants... 

I should read my e-mails before hit send. Ignore the first 'because'.

Tony

www.oakleysound.com

> 
> I should read my e-mails before hit send.

Indeed should.
;-)

> A little Atari running Cubase or the like would do the trick.


I try real hard not to use computers in music (i know most other people like them, but..)

I have an alesis datadisk sq arround here somewhere... Im thinking that maybee i can generate a MTC from somthing else (ok, a
one-off use fo the computer maybee), record it onto the datadisk, and then sync the datadisk to the p3...

Im sure theres some reason why this wont work though.

Why on earth couldnt fostex manage to add a simple recognition of the START message?

Julian

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:36:45 -0000, "Julian" <julian@22host24.com>
wrote:

>
>And care to tell me what settings i need to use, in order to get the fostex (in my case a d-160) to sync as a slave to the p3?
>
>I know this is more a fostex question then a p3 question, but the fostex manual keeps saying "refer to your sequencers literature"

Step sequencers loop - so aren't really ideal for syncing to absolute
time codes such as SMPTE or MTC.

Paul

---
Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

> I try real hard not to use computers in music (i know most 
> other people like them, but..)

You could always get a midi clock to tape sync convertor, and use a HDR
track for a timecode signal.
A Korg KMS-30 would do nicely.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:01:18 -0000, "Julian" <julian@22host24.com>
wrote:

>Theres mention of MMC in the manual, but then i find the following comment:

MMC is something entirely different again - MIDI Machine Control. It's
a protocol (sysex) for remote control of tape devices and the like. it
sends general commands like "play" "stop" and "rewind". 

>Grrr.... So an i stuffed, so far as that goes?  I understand why the p3 dosnt output mtc, but 
>why the fostex dosnt have a simple sync as well, like every other device...
>Any suggestions?  Some way to generate a pseudo MTC?  One that prehaps resets to the beginning of bar one every time a midi START
>signal is recieved, and generates a code from there?

Well, my VS-880 can send MIDI Clock as well as MTC IIRC. And I'm not
using it very much at the moment... 8-)

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

> You could always get a midi clock to tape sync convertor, and use a HDR
> track for a timecode signal.
> A Korg KMS-30 would do nicely.


i dont completely follow you there.

have a 'click' track on the HDR... but i dont understand how thatll enable me to start and stop the hdr from a midi STARt signal?

Julian

ps. colin, im back now, if you wanna do that cpu stuff...

> i dont completely follow you there.
> 
> have a 'click' track on the HDR... but i dont understand how 
> thatll enable me to start and stop the hdr from a midi STARt signal?

Er, I didn't quite think that through, did I ? 
It's control you want, not just sync.
 
> ps. colin, im back now, if you wanna do that cpu stuff...

Waiting on a ZIF socket - will be with you in a few days.

Cheers,
Colin f