Analogue-sequencer

Hi,
Where can I see how ready built P3 look like? A lot of pictures arround with different looks, I am confused.
And second is it possible to purchase P3 now or what?
Thanks,
Zed.

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Zed Velkovich wrote:
> Hi,
> Where can I see how ready built P3 look like? 

http://www.sequentix.com/

First pic.

> A lot of pictures
> arround with different looks, I am confused. 
> And second is it possible to purchase P3 now or what?

Check the website and e-mail Colin.

cheers,

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

> Zed Velkovich wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Where can I see how ready built P3 look like? 
> 
> http://www.sequentix.com/
> 
> First pic.

Thanks Gert.

That is how the production P3 looks, however I have switched over to using a
combination of white and grey coloured knobs now, as it improves the
visibility of the pointers in dark conditions.
 
> > A lot of pictures
> > arround with different looks, I am confused. 
> > And second is it possible to purchase P3 now or what?

You can order a P3 now, sure.
Delivery time will be about three weeks at the moment, due to supplier lead
times.

Cheers,
Colin f

> Hi Colin,
>
> Can P3 owners like myself get a change of knobs with these colours
> you're gonna be using on new production P3s.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> That is how the production P3 looks, however I have switched over to 
> using a combination of white and grey coloured knobs now, as it 
> improves the visibility of the pointers in dark conditions.
>  
> Cheers,
> Colin f

> Can P3 owners like myself get a change of knobs with these colours
> you're gonna be using on new production P3s.

The knobs are available from Rapid in the UK, part numbers 32-0470 and
32-0475
They cost 10p each in quantities of 20, so if you buy 20 grey and 20 white
it should cost you £4 plus postage.
http://www.rapidelectronics.co.uk

I know some owners have already customised their knob colours. There are
also other types of knob that fit, such as Rean P300 series, which have
coloured inserts but all with a white pointer. These are Rapid part no.
32-1206 etc.

Cheers,
Colin f

Hi again

I am really interested in the P3 as a semi improvisational tool/random generator and am wondering how it will work in practise. I don't want to just play patterns i prepared earlier - but nor do I want total chaos. Its difficult without seeing one to know how immediate the P3 can be on stage/in the heat of the moment. For example;  

Can i play notes from a masterkeyboard (actually in my case a wind controller or a buchla lightening) thru the P3 and then easily decide to grab a group of notes for a sequence or an arpeggio on the fly? Can I randomise then this pattern without stopping it?

will the p3 the input from a master keyboard and output both sequence/arp data and the keyboard data. 

can I easily randomise an arpeggio on the fly? 

can i easily change ALL the notes in a sequence from a masterkeyboard without stopping playing?

If I just want to change a couple of pitches in a sequence can i go straight to it or do i have to go through a dozen menus first ? :)

please note the use of the words "easily" and "without stopping"- ultimately I can do most of this kind of thing on my nord G2/Akai MPC400 but not "easily" or spontaniously:) The next box i buy needs to be FUN !!

Richard


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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" 
<richardscott@b...> wrote:
> "Where are you? If you're anywhere in the north west of england I'm 
sure a demo can be arranged... :)"
> 
> Hi Paul, thanks for your answers, it sure looks like the P3 is 
something I need to investigate - so few technologies since the old 
analogues are really suited to improvisation...
> 
> yes, I'm in Manchester - is this a north west england based 
technology I'm chasing here?? :)


Na, It's a product from Bonnie Scotland yer a chasin' laddie.

> 
> Richard
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Paul Nagle 
>   To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:48 PM
>   Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] some more QUESTIONS
> 
> 
>   Richard Scott wrote:
> 
>   >Hi again
>   >
>   >I am really interested in the P3 as a semi improvisational 
tool/random generator and am wondering how it will work in practise. 
I don't want to just play patterns i prepared earlier - but nor do I 
want total chaos. Its difficult without seeing one to know how 
immediate the P3 can be on stage/in the heat of the moment. For 
example;  
>   >  
>   >
>   I am totally happy to go into any situation with little or no 
>   preparation and improvise an entire live set. But you might be 
more of a 
>   perfectionist than me (many are).
> 
>   >Can i play notes from a masterkeyboard (actually in my case a 
wind controller or a buchla lightening) thru the P3 and then easily 
decide to grab a group of notes for a sequence or an arpeggio on the 
fly? Can I randomise then this pattern without stopping it?
>   >  
>   >
>   You can do *everything* (bar sending sysex) without stopping.
>   I typically fire in my patterns direct from a MIDI sequencer, go 
into 
>   ARP record, use the randomise feature for notes or controllers or 
>   whatever all very quickly.
>   The stuff that takes longer is adding weird auxilliary events - 
this is 
>   only because the list to select from is quite long and finding 
the entry 
>   you need in the heat of a gig is less than instant. Colin knows 
this 
>   though and I expect a marvellous solution even to this, in due 
course.
> 
>   >will the p3 the input from a master keyboard and output both 
sequence/arp data and the keyboard data. 
>   >  
>   >
>   It outputs the pattern data and also can send "thru" data if you 
>   generate yours arps on a master keyboard. The thru stuff can even 
go 
>   through FTS <g>
> 
>   >can I easily randomise an arpeggio on the fly? 
>   >  
>   >
>   You can set direction to random as it plays or randomise notes - 
is that 
>   what you mean?
> 
>   >can i easily change ALL the notes in a sequence from a 
masterkeyboard without stopping playing?
>   >  
>   >
>   Sure
> 
>   >If I just want to change a couple of pitches in a sequence can i 
go straight to it or do i have to go through a dozen menus first ? :)
>   >  
>   >
>   Everything is menu based. But you can go from the top level to 
editing 
>   notes in a pattern in one action. And you can then change any 
pitch by 
>   just reaching for the knobs.
> 
>   >please note the use of the words "easily" and "without stopping"-
 ultimately I can do most of this kind of thing on my nord G2/Akai 
MPC400 but not "easily" or spontaniously:) The next box i buy needs 
to be FUN !!
>   >  
>   >
>   We really need to do a video to show you how cool this is and how 
quick 
>   - once you learn it. Make no mistake, you can be *very* fast with 
the P3 
>   but only when you are able to use it automatically. Where are 
you? If 
>   you're anywhere in the north west of england I'm sure a demo can 
be 
>   arranged... :)
> 
>   Paul
> 
>   ---
>   Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / 
Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
>           www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / 
www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com                       
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"Where are you? If you're anywhere in the north west of england I'm sure a demo can be arranged... :)"

Hi Paul, thanks for your answers, it sure looks like the P3 is something I need to investigate - so few technologies since the old analogues are really suited to improvisation...

yes, I'm in Manchester - is this a north west england based technology I'm chasing here?? :)

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Nagle 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] some more QUESTIONS


  Richard Scott wrote:

  >Hi again
  >
  >I am really interested in the P3 as a semi improvisational tool/random generator and am wondering how it will work in practise. I don't want to just play patterns i prepared earlier - but nor do I want total chaos. Its difficult without seeing one to know how immediate the P3 can be on stage/in the heat of the moment. For example;  
  >  
  >
  I am totally happy to go into any situation with little or no 
  preparation and improvise an entire live set. But you might be more of a 
  perfectionist than me (many are).

  >Can i play notes from a masterkeyboard (actually in my case a wind controller or a buchla lightening) thru the P3 and then easily decide to grab a group of notes for a sequence or an arpeggio on the fly? Can I randomise then this pattern without stopping it?
  >  
  >
  You can do *everything* (bar sending sysex) without stopping.
  I typically fire in my patterns direct from a MIDI sequencer, go into 
  ARP record, use the randomise feature for notes or controllers or 
  whatever all very quickly.
  The stuff that takes longer is adding weird auxilliary events - this is 
  only because the list to select from is quite long and finding the entry 
  you need in the heat of a gig is less than instant. Colin knows this 
  though and I expect a marvellous solution even to this, in due course.

  >will the p3 the input from a master keyboard and output both sequence/arp data and the keyboard data. 
  >  
  >
  It outputs the pattern data and also can send "thru" data if you 
  generate yours arps on a master keyboard. The thru stuff can even go 
  through FTS <g>

  >can I easily randomise an arpeggio on the fly? 
  >  
  >
  You can set direction to random as it plays or randomise notes - is that 
  what you mean?

  >can i easily change ALL the notes in a sequence from a masterkeyboard without stopping playing?
  >  
  >
  Sure

  >If I just want to change a couple of pitches in a sequence can i go straight to it or do i have to go through a dozen menus first ? :)
  >  
  >
  Everything is menu based. But you can go from the top level to editing 
  notes in a pattern in one action. And you can then change any pitch by 
  just reaching for the knobs.

  >please note the use of the words "easily" and "without stopping"- ultimately I can do most of this kind of thing on my nord G2/Akai MPC400 but not "easily" or spontaniously:) The next box i buy needs to be FUN !!
  >  
  >
  We really need to do a video to show you how cool this is and how quick 
  - once you learn it. Make no mistake, you can be *very* fast with the P3 
  but only when you are able to use it automatically. Where are you? If 
  you're anywhere in the north west of england I'm sure a demo can be 
  arranged... :)

  Paul

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Richard Scott wrote:

>Hi again
>
>I am really interested in the P3 as a semi improvisational tool/random generator and am wondering how it will work in practise. I don't want to just play patterns i prepared earlier - but nor do I want total chaos. Its difficult without seeing one to know how immediate the P3 can be on stage/in the heat of the moment. For example;  
>  
>
I am totally happy to go into any situation with little or no 
preparation and improvise an entire live set. But you might be more of a 
perfectionist than me (many are).

>Can i play notes from a masterkeyboard (actually in my case a wind controller or a buchla lightening) thru the P3 and then easily decide to grab a group of notes for a sequence or an arpeggio on the fly? Can I randomise then this pattern without stopping it?
>  
>
You can do *everything* (bar sending sysex) without stopping.
I typically fire in my patterns direct from a MIDI sequencer, go into 
ARP record, use the randomise feature for notes or controllers or 
whatever all very quickly.
The stuff that takes longer is adding weird auxilliary events - this is 
only because the list to select from is quite long and finding the entry 
you need in the heat of a gig is less than instant. Colin knows this 
though and I expect a marvellous solution even to this, in due course.

>will the p3 the input from a master keyboard and output both sequence/arp data and the keyboard data. 
>  
>
It outputs the pattern data and also can send "thru" data if you 
generate yours arps on a master keyboard. The thru stuff can even go 
through FTS <g>

>can I easily randomise an arpeggio on the fly? 
>  
>
You can set direction to random as it plays or randomise notes - is that 
what you mean?

>can i easily change ALL the notes in a sequence from a masterkeyboard without stopping playing?
>  
>
Sure

>If I just want to change a couple of pitches in a sequence can i go straight to it or do i have to go through a dozen menus first ? :)
>  
>
Everything is menu based. But you can go from the top level to editing 
notes in a pattern in one action. And you can then change any pitch by 
just reaching for the knobs.

>please note the use of the words "easily" and "without stopping"- ultimately I can do most of this kind of thing on my nord G2/Akai MPC400 but not "easily" or spontaniously:) The next box i buy needs to be FUN !!
>  
>
We really need to do a video to show you how cool this is and how quick 
- once you learn it. Make no mistake, you can be *very* fast with the P3 
but only when you are able to use it automatically. Where are you? If 
you're anywhere in the north west of england I'm sure a demo can be 
arranged... :)

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

Well I nearly got there first...
I've got a couple of things to add to Paul's answer.

> It outputs the pattern data and also can send "thru" data if you 
> generate yours arps on a master keyboard. The thru stuff can even go 
> through FTS <g>

One thing that a couple of users have asked for is a specific record channel
setting.
At the moment, when you go into record, incoming data on any channel is
redirected to the track being recorded.
Some people want to be able to define a single channel for their master
keyboard, and have other midi streams pass through as normal in record mode,
possibly being FTS'ed on the way.
This will appear in the next release.

> Everything is menu based. But you can go from the top level 
> to editing 
> notes in a pattern in one action. And you can then change any 
> pitch by 
> just reaching for the knobs.

There are a number of pages with different 'softkeys', but there is only
ever one level of extra menu below any given softkey, and only in a few
cases.
Owning an ESI2000 sampler, I know how bad multiple levels of menu can get,
so the P3 is designed to be as shallow as possible, and have all the
commonly used stuff at the top level.
I should really do a diagram sometime.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Richard Scott wrote:

>Hi Paul, thanks for your answers, it sure looks like the P3 is something I need to investigate - so few technologies since the old analogues are really suited to improvisation...
>  
>
Yep. The closest thing I found before this for live improv was the 
Notron - but I never quite knew what that was doing <g> Also it was 
quite expensive, only 4 tracks and didn't seem to use standard parts.

>yes, I'm in Manchester - is this a north west england based technology I'm chasing here?? :)
>  
>
Well, I'm in Preston so you're welcome to pop over sometime to check it 
out. Drop me a line offlist if you fancy a demo. My rates are very 
reasonable - in fact usually inflammable. :)

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

>>Some people want to be able to define a single channel for their master
keyboard, and have other midi streams pass through as normal in record
mode,
possibly being FTS'ed on the way.
This will appear in the next release.<<

yowsa! that'll fix the drummer's pitch. can you quantise his timing on
the fly too? kidding, kidding.....
but I'll be able to process two or three rows of doepfer & a keyboard
or two while recording from a keyboard or a midibase (that's how
peavey spelt it).

so- while the machine is "in record", the notes that come in on the
appropriate channel are sent to the track that's being edited, while
notes & controllers on other channels go whistling straight through,
being FTS'd on the way.
hmmm....
colin, can you offer a choice somehow, between "track channel" & "base
channel" for this feature? 
any thoughts on whether this setting would (have to) be global or
track-by-track basis?
occurs to me that while one is building a set of sequences using the
keyboard, especially under stage lighting, one wouldn't want to have
to change the midi channel on one's controller whilst going back &
forth amongst the tracks. especially if one's controller is a
funny-looking bass with a tiny window above the strap-peg.

but this raises the issue of what to do with non-note traffic for
those tracks.... so I suppose:

>>>a user wanting to send p/b & m/w data to the attached noisemaker
whilst in "live-record" would have to use the "track-channel" setting.
>>>a user in the "base-channel" mode will probably have his
controllers set up so that they transmit on whatever channels he's
told them to, irrespective of what the keyboard's doing. that's how I
work, anyway. ymmv. 
so he can skip around the tracks in the p3 with his special midi
controllers still working, recording notes into them without having to
switch the keyboard away from the base channel unless he wants to use
his pitch-wheel or mod-wheel on an sequenced part.

now- can we change the in-use scale with a programme change on the
base channel? being able to change the part (& thus the FTS settings)
by program change would suffice, I think.... but what happens if you
send this program change while the p3 is in "live-record"?

I'll get me goat. paul, c'm here.....

duncan/r.m.i.

> so- while the machine is "in record", the notes that come in on the
> appropriate channel are sent to the track that's being edited, while
> notes & controllers on other channels go whistling straight through,
> being FTS'd on the way.

At the moment, when you enter record, incoming notes on any channel are
re-channelised to the channel of the track being recorded on, assuming
record mthru is active.
In the new implementation, this behaviour will still be the default, but
you'll be able to set the record input channel to a specific channel rather
than 'any', which is implicit ATM.
In that case, messages arriving on the chosen channel will be re-channelised
to the recording track.
All other channels will pass thru according to the normal midi thru
settings, i.e. no pass through, pass all on a specific channel, or pass all
on the original channel, with FTS or not.

I *think* that addresses what you mean by...

> can you offer a choice somehow, between "track channel" & "base
> channel" for this feature? 

etc., but maybe I didn't get it.

> now- can we change the in-use scale with a programme change on the
> base channel?

Remote control of FTS via the 'Rem' channel is TBI. It's likely to be a cc
rather than a program change.

> being able to change the part (& thus the FTS settings)
> by program change would suffice, I think.... but what happens if you
> send this program change while the p3 is in "live-record"?

Good question.
The logic of these sorts of things is better worked out in practice, I
think.
So, we'll find out.

Cheers,
Colin f