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6 months later....

6 months later....

2005-08-24 by Gary Chang

Colin,

I signed onto this list about 6 months ago, after purchasing one of
the first production P3s in the US - sold to me by Analogue Haven.  I
have been lurking here for months while learning the features, trying
things out.

So, I have finally dropped in to tell you that I abosolutely love this
sequencer, Colin!

The combination of FTS and the randomizer really adds a great angle on
creating interesting new patterns - and the real time Scale edit
function has GREAT realtime potential.  

The on/off buttons for each stage in Play mode allows one to start a
sequence with no stages active, and introduce each stage as chosen -
something that I only could do on a Buchla 200 sequencer!

I know that many of the people on this list have had the P3 for quite
some time.  Sorry to state what seems obvious, but I am truly
impressed and suprised to have not come across this guy sooner that I did!

Congrats, Colin!

Gary

Re: 6 months later....

2005-08-24 by ferrograph632

gary's mention of the buchla, & the recent passing of dr robert, who
was at least closely associated with the birth of the electronic
hardware sequencer.... has reminded me.... by way of a conversational
aside to take colin's mind off of our wishlists for ten minutes....
ahem.
colin- you've mentioned some of your own hardware collection at
various points during the life of the list. but what I really want to
read about is what your infuences were in coming up with the
first-pass feature set for the p3. we can all read about maqs &
notrons & arps & 960's & 104's & mmt8's & so forth. but which ones did
you actually use, or at least study, whilst engineering the p3? & what
steered you down the route of building your own?
I'll be in my studio again this weekend & updating the p3 that lives
there. the other one will have to wait until I'm next in manchester,
but the *.mid version will be useful for that, as I should be able to
run it in my datafiler....

d.

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: 6 months later....

2005-08-24 by Colin f

> gary's mention of the buchla, & the recent passing of dr robert, who
> was at least closely associated with the birth of the electronic
> hardware sequencer....

You may find this page of interest...
http://raymondscott.com/moog.html

Raymond Scott was first. Bob could have had the first commercial unit, if he
hadn't been so loyal to Scott.

> colin- you've mentioned some of your own hardware collection at
> various points during the life of the list. but what I really want to
> read about is what your infuences were in coming up with the
> first-pass feature set for the p3. we can all read about maqs &
> notrons & arps & 960's & 104's & mmt8's & so forth. but which ones did
> you actually use, or at least study, whilst engineering the p3?

The history of P3 is longer than it may seem...
They say necessity is the mother of invention. I'd say poverty must at least
be its maiden aunt.
As an unemployed and skint graduate in '91, I got myself a Pro-One and a
Boss DR550 with some birthday cash, hoping to make some of the new
electronic dance music I was getting into. I was using the Pro One
sequencer, triggered via the audio input from one output of the DR550.
That was fine until I got a loan of a Moog Source in return for fixing it,
and needed a way to sequence the Pro One and Source at the same time.
A short visit to Maplin later, I had a copy of RA Penfold's MIDI projects,
and enough components to build a midi, CV and gate output board for my
trusty BBC Micro based on the dreadful Penfold designs.
The software I wrote to drive that board was named PSEQ. It had 8 tracks of
16 step sequences, with gate and tie control on each step, and realtime
control of track mutes. Sequence output was CV only, with midi sync
transmitted to run keep the DR550 in time.
I used it for almost a year, until an Amiga came along, and I got a cheap
copy of Music-X.
PSEQ was abandoned, and the BBC pressed into use as a midi to CV convertor.
In time the Amiga was replaced by an ST, then a line of PCs.
As the sequencing got more powerful (not in a straight line, considering how
AWFUL the first release of Cubase was on WfWG3.11) it seemed like it also
got less fun.
I tried a return to hardware sequencing - have brief affairs with an MMT8
and Cheetah MQ8, but these both had some major limitations.
So in '98, I pulled out the old BBC, and had a play with PSEQ again,
updating it to transmit notes over midi.
It was fun again, but I'd got used to a more fluid interface than cursor and
function keys, so I decided to build a hardware UI for it.
First stop for ideas were the Roland x0x drum machines, mainly the 606 for
its genius 'switch between play and edit without stopping' ability.
Obviously I needed some way to enter note values for every step, so after
briefly considering rotary switches, I decided on pots since they were
cheaper and took up less space. I also thought I should add enough extra
controls and an LCD display so that I didn't need to use the BBC keyboard
and monitor at all, knowing that this would mean it could migrate at some
point to a dedicated CPU board and become a standalone unit.
The result was PSEQ2, a BBC program and dedicated hardware interface which
looked like this...
http://www.colinfraser.com/images/p2ui.jpg

'99 saw the PSEQ2 UI gain its own CPU board, as planned, with an 8032 CPU
instead of the 6502.
And it got renamed PSEQ3, later abbreviated due to laziness.
It developed gradually from then on. If you were to have a play with P3 v1.0
now, you'd find it incredibly limited ;-)
P3 came to the Synth DIY meet 2001, and people seemed to like it.
But it didn't develop much for a while after that, until I found SDCC - a
freeware cross compiler for the 8051.
Re-writing the OS in C made adding new features infinitely easier.
About the same time, I met a certain Mr Nagle, who did two things - he
bought a P3, and started an email barrage of feature requests that has
continued to this day ;-)

Cheers,
Colin f

Re: 6 months later....

2005-08-26 by ferrograph632

>>You may find this page of interest...
http://raymondscott.com/moog.html<<

I ran across this chap a few years ago & decided it must be an april
fool. after all, I'd read everything I could find about serge & buchla
& varese. I'd imagined (somehow) that bob went from knocking out
theremins in the late 50s straight to the first modules for herb
deutsch, the ondes martenot knock-off he made for the beachboys, &
thence the carlos/beaver&krause/ELP/wakeman years.
raymond scott sounded too good to have been undiscovered, but when you
consider the type of work he was doing & that we had our own
radiophonic heroes over here in the UK it's maybe easier to understand
why I didn't know about him earlier.
if you're interested in the history of electronic music, the raymond
scott 2-cd set & it's accompanying booklet (packaged very nicely, with
the discs done up as NAB spools) is essential reading. 
"manhattan research" it's called. genius. there's one version of the
scott/moog seqencer anecdote therein; I have heard some other
accounts, but I prefer to take the view that sequencers of one sort or
another have been with us for hundreds of years & that the development
of an electronic version was an inevitability, not a fresh invention.

but the 960 still has a certain charm. I think it was the guy at MOTM
(I may be wrong) who was planning to make a reissue of it earlier this
year. I saved the cash for my second p3 instead.

>>The history of P3 is longer than it may seem...<<

jeez. well, that was a comprehensive answer- thanks for taking the
time. I think I started thinking about this when I acquired the same
model of cheetah sequencer recently. it's a bit weird, isn't it? I
think I prefer the mmt8 for that sort of sequencing. will the p3 ever
record chords? :-)
my first proper sequencer was the one in the pro-1 too. we got an
mc202 & a 303 a little while after that. I used to use the 303 to
drive a rogue (hated it's own noise- never understood the appeal), &
split the gate into the ext clock i/p of the pro-1. counterpoint!
before that, steve used to play all the sequencer parts by hand, using
a tape-echo to keep it steady, & this dictated (to some degree) how
long our early pieces were. sometimes I would cut tape-loops of these
performances & then splice a load of them together into one
composition. I should really have married delia derbyshire but I was
too young.

d.

d.

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: 6 months later....

2005-08-26 by Paul Nagle

ferrograph632 wrote:

>mc202 & a 303 a little while after that. I used to use the 303 to
>drive a rogue (hated it's own noise- never understood the appeal), 
>
Hahah, ditto, exactly!
I had two 303s: one drove a Pro One and one drove a Korg MS50.
Now I have a Freebass and seem to be using the 303 sound a lot.

Funny old world,

Paul

P.S. I just read my latest explanation of Part chains and realise that 
what I wrote isn't what I do. Have done it so often I don't actually 
think of it anymore. You don't need to release both at the same time, 
just make sure you release the right hand button first. Silly me - 
listen to Colin not this old stoner.. :)


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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

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