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Another newbie question

Another newbie question

2005-08-25 by jimcombsus

I have a song with 2 parts, each part with 6 tracks and 1 pattern 
per track. Part 2 is simply a transposition of Part 1 (up +5). 

How do I get the two parts to cycle and loop? I've used the HOLD 
PART 1 DOWN AND HIT PART 2 from Paul's guide, but they do 
not continue looping beyond the one time. Is there a way to 
select a number of parts and have the P3 loop thru them?

Is this Playlist and I'm just unable to grasp it properly?

-Jim
 www.touchxtone.com

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Another newbie question

2005-08-25 by Colin f

Hi Jim, 

> I have a song with 2 parts, each part with 6 tracks and 1 pattern 
> per track. Part 2 is simply a transposition of Part 1 (up +5). 
> 
> How do I get the two parts to cycle and loop? I've used the HOLD 
> PART 1 DOWN AND HIT PART 2 from Paul's guide, but they do 
> not continue looping beyond the one time. Is there a way to 
> select a number of parts and have the P3 loop thru them?

When you have selected a part chain, part 1 should start red with part 2
flashing amber.
Then when part 2 plays, it'll be red and part 1 will be flashing amber.
And so it will loop...
But this will look just the same as if part 1 is playing, and part 2 is
selected as the next part, not in a chain.

It sounds to me like you might be releasing the part 1 key before part 2.
To clarify - hold part 1, then press and *release* part 2.
This will set up the chain.
If you release part 1 first, you just end up selecting part 2 as the next
part to play.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Another newbie question

2005-08-26 by Paul Nagle

jimcombsus wrote:

>I have a song with 2 parts, each part with 6 tracks and 1 pattern 
>per track. Part 2 is simply a transposition of Part 1 (up +5). 
>
>How do I get the two parts to cycle and loop? I've used the HOLD 
>PART 1 DOWN AND HIT PART 2 from Paul's guide, but they do 
>not continue looping beyond the one time. Is there a way to 
>select a number of parts and have the P3 loop thru them?
>  
>
Sounds like my User Guide needs polishing. I phrased it badly as you 
hold down one Part key then, without releasing it, hold another. Release 
both and all selected Parts should play in order - then you can play 
with part repeat, global bar lengths, transposes, different FTS and 
generally do some gob-smacking stuff. If only I'd written the 
instructions better. Will improve it, sorry.

>Is this Playlist and I'm just unable to grasp it properly?
>  
>
Nope, a playlist is a list of patterns in a single track that play - and 
you can have different playlists in each part for each track....

Arcosanti soon. All will be made clear, I promise or I'll get wasted trying.

Paul

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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Another newbie question

2005-08-26 by Colin f

> Sounds like my User Guide needs polishing. I phrased it badly as you 
> hold down one Part key then, without releasing it, hold 
> another. Release 
> both and all selected Parts should play in order - then you can play 
> with part repeat, global bar lengths, transposes, different FTS and 
> generally do some gob-smacking stuff. If only I'd written the 
> instructions better. Will improve it, sorry.

I think I may modify the UI behaviour for part chain select.
The reason I made you have to release the last part key before the first was
so that if you pressed to wrong last key, you can change it by pressing
another one before you actually 'apply' the chain setting.
But it seems from Jim's response like this is unintuitive, and maybe setting
the wrong chain length isn't really a problem.
I'll change it in the next beta release and see what people think.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: Another newbie question

2005-08-27 by jimcombsus

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" 
<colin@c...> wrote:

> When you have selected a part chain, part 1 should start red 
with part 2
> flashing amber.
> Then when part 2 plays, it'll be red and part 1 will be flashing 
amber.
> And so it will loop...

Well, what is happening to me is that Part 1 is red and Part 2 is 
amber, but once it goes through the cycle once, it stops cycling 
and just stays on one Part. I have to manually reset the chain.

Is there a user config that needs to be set to enable a latch on 
the loop?

I'm totally rearranging my studio at the moment so it will take me 
a day or so before I have everything set back up and can give all 
a try again.

-Jim
 www.touchxtone.com

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Another newbie question

2005-08-27 by Colin f

> Well, what is happening to me is that Part 1 is red and Part 2 is 
> amber, but once it goes through the cycle once, it stops cycling 
> and just stays on one Part. I have to manually reset the chain.

Weird.
 
> Is there a user config that needs to be set to enable a latch on 
> the loop?

No, it should always cycle.
What is the GBar setting on part 1 ?


Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: Another newbie question

2005-08-28 by jimcombsus

OK, I've confirmed this is operator error on my part, pun intended. 

It seems that I wasn't holding down the part 1 key long enough 
before releasing the part 2 key. Now that I clearly release part 2 
before releasing part 1, it works fine. Hold 1, tap 2, release 1.

I was doing a little more Hold 1, hold 2, release 1 & 2 
simultaneously. And the P3 thought I was just pressing the part 
2 key.

The only visual feedback suggestion I can think of that might 
help is something in the LCD to indicate a chain is active.

But now I know my mistake, I'm having a harder time conciously 
making it happen.

Thanks!

-Jim
 www.touchxtone.com

algorhythm madness

2005-08-28 by Richard Scott

Hi all

My P3 is heading towards me in the post as I write so I'm making some plans.

I'd like to try using it in a chain with an oberheim cyclone arpeggiator and/or an oberheim drummer pattern sequencer. I want to make a semi algorhythmic system that I can control a sampler and synth for improvised live performance.

Has anyone tried combining the P3 with other pattern generators in such a way - should they be before or after the P3 in the chain? - any tips or info would be most welcome... or maybe I'm just making my life complicated :)

Richard

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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Another newbie question

2005-08-28 by Colin f

> It seems that I wasn't holding down the part 1 key long enough 
> before releasing the part 2 key. Now that I clearly release part 2 
> before releasing part 1, it works fine. Hold 1, tap 2, release 1.

I'm going to change it so that as soon as you press the second part key, the
part chain is set, and you can release them in either order.
We'll see if this has any down-side.
If not, it'll make it to the next release.
Might save a bit of head-scratching for a future newb.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] algorhythm madness

2005-08-28 by Nick Rothwell

> I have a master P3 controlling a slave P3 and two Korg sampling 
> electribes.

I've been wondering about scenarios for recording with a P3 (you know,
the one I'm going to buy fairly soon so that I know what I'm talking
about) together with a computer sequencer (perhaps I should say, MIDI
multitrack recorder). Since the P3 has multiple ganged MIDI outs, then
one could put the P3 downstream from the computer (so that it takes
sync), with P3 MIDI outs to slave modules, but with one P3 MIDI out
back into the computer in case one wants to record the post-P3
patterns.

But anyway, back to the original question. The Oberheim Perf/X boxes
are so buggy and crash-prone that something chaotic is going to happen
no matter how things are connected up, but I'm not sure I see a lot of
point to wiring two algorithmic note generators in series, especially
since they do similar things, and since they both take a few notes in
and put lots of notes out. I think it would make more sense to run
them in parallel, perhaps upstream from a MIDI merger.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] algorhythm madness

2005-08-28 by Paul Nagle

Richard Scott wrote:

>Has anyone tried combining the P3 with other pattern generators in such a way - should they be before or after the P3 in the chain? - any tips or info would be most welcome... or maybe I'm just making my life complicated :)
>  
>
I have a master P3 controlling a slave P3 and two Korg sampling 
electribes. Life gets complicated but jolly fun - especially controlling 
samples from the electribes with the P3; you can combine the knob 
-recording simplicity of the electribes with the complex trickery of the 
P3....

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] algorhythm madness

2005-08-29 by Richard Scott

mmm, good advice guys; split the midi going to the algorhythmic devices and merge it later - and I'm thinking all thyis happens after the P3 -I think thats the right starting point

Nick - are you a cyclone user by chance - I have a question about it which is driving me crazy.....

Richard
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Rothwell 
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  Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] algorhythm madness


  > I have a master P3 controlling a slave P3 and two Korg sampling 
  > electribes.

  I've been wondering about scenarios for recording with a P3 (you know,
  the one I'm going to buy fairly soon so that I know what I'm talking
  about) together with a computer sequencer (perhaps I should say, MIDI
  multitrack recorder). Since the P3 has multiple ganged MIDI outs, then
  one could put the P3 downstream from the computer (so that it takes
  sync), with P3 MIDI outs to slave modules, but with one P3 MIDI out
  back into the computer in case one wants to record the post-P3
  patterns.

  But anyway, back to the original question. The Oberheim Perf/X boxes
  are so buggy and crash-prone that something chaotic is going to happen
  no matter how things are connected up, but I'm not sure I see a lot of
  point to wiring two algorithmic note generators in series, especially
  since they do similar things, and since they both take a few notes in
  and put lots of notes out. I think it would make more sense to run
  them in parallel, perhaps upstream from a MIDI merger.

  -- 

    nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com


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Re: [analogue-sequencer] algorhythm madness

2005-08-29 by Nick Rothwell

> Nick - are you a cyclone user by chance

I had one many, many years ago. Managed to sell it, eventually. It was
just too unpredictable, unreliable and just plain cryptic to be of any
real use, and I just ended up implementing algorithmic sequencers in
MaxMSP.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Re: algorhythm madness

2005-08-30 by ferrograph632

>>I'm not sure I see a lot of point to wiring two algorithmic note
generators in series, especially since they do similar things, and
since they both take a few notes in and put lots of notes out. I think
it would make more sense to run them in parallel, perhaps upstream
from a MIDI merger.<<

mebbes not if you're working mostly on y'r own..... no, even then...
maybe /especially/ then.... paul? waddya reckon?

the p3 can do so many things by way of "cross-pollination" that it may
appear to be unneccesary to attach even a controller keyboard- just a
few auxes doing a bit of randomising, nicking notes from other tracks,
that sort of thing.
but that's like one kid in a play-pen on his own. one very bright kid,
with many many coloured crayons, but still only one kid.
now, imagine how much more fun it would be if this kid had a little
friend.

ahem.

so upstream of the p3, there might now be a maq & a couple of
keyboards. maybe even a peavey midibase (no, that's really how it's
spelt. spelled. anyway.) while downstream there might be a regular
synth with it's arpeggiator running. like, say, a memorymoog. 

the point of this particular arrangement is to let the person driving
the maq have some influence over the p3 patterns occasionally, by
waiting until he starts twiddling & then drop a corresponding track on
the p3 into "record". one might also do this while he's mucking about
on his keyboard too. besides, the maq & both keyboards (& the horrible
pointy white bass guitar with the funny little window) are all getting
FTS'd by the p3, meaning that one's audience are spared any
unintentional blue notes.

so most of the time, the two algorythmic note generators /are/ in
parallel by virtue of the soft-thru (with or without FTS), & being
merged with the p3's own track outputs. but this way you have the
option of introducing a contribution to whatever degree you want:
overwrite/play out a whole pattern/track, or leave your live-record
track muted & influencing the active tracks via the auxes.

I'm trying (vainly- probably need more spinach for this one) to create
a midi schematic whereby the maq both influences & is influenced by
the p3. how can I stop the maq transposing itself? I will figure this
out presently.....
I need to do this because the p3 is a guitar & the maq is a
snare-drum, in terms of the skill & concentration required &, in the
case of my band, available. :-)

d.

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: algorhythm madness

2005-08-30 by Paul Nagle

ferrograph632 wrote:

>mebbes not if you're working mostly on y'r own..... no, even then...
>maybe /especially/ then.... paul? waddya reckon?
>  
>
I reckon that running even basic sequencers in sync can be utterly 
chaotic - I used to take quite a while to get my various analogue 
sequencers out of the insanity range and into "interesting"; I would 
never dare to do it live onstage. But suppose a master sequencer with 
the power of the P3 could set the scale and root note for an entire 
ensemble? This would leave each sequencer player free to improvise but 
without the fear of a total mess - unless you wanted one.

I think it'd be utterly ace.

Paul


---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

Re: algorhythm madness

2005-09-03 by Gary Chang

Although the P3 is a really powerful master, I have used the
Synclavier as my master sequencer for the last 20 years.  200 tracks
and quite a lot of midi implementation makes it quite capable of
controlling the P3 and others at the same time...

gary

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