Analogue-sequencer

as seasoned users will know, choosing a user-scale for FTS'ing a part 
usually precludes the choice of a root note for same, whereas using one 
of the preset scales allows free choice.
 
just now I discovered that if you nominate a root note while the part 
is using a preset scale, then switch to your user-scale, the root note 
is retained & displayed. 
I have demonstrated to myself that the P3 behaves correspondingly; the 
same patterns playing in two different parts with the same user-scale 
but with different root notes, selected in this manner, come out 
different.

jings.

duncan/r.m.i.

ferrograph632 wrote:

>as seasoned users will know, choosing a user-scale for FTS'ing a part 
>usually precludes the choice of a root note for same, whereas using one 
>of the preset scales allows free choice.
>  
>
Interesting - I always keep scale U09 (all notes in my P3) so that I can 
have (effectively) no scale but a visible root (to remind me of the key 
to play in).

> 
>just now I discovered that if you nominate a root note while the part 
>is using a preset scale, then switch to your user-scale, the root note 
>is retained & displayed. 
>  
>
Aha, cool - good tip! Sweet.

>I have demonstrated to myself that the P3 behaves correspondingly; the 
>same patterns playing in two different parts with the same user-scale 
>but with different root notes, selected in this manner, come out 
>different.
>  
>
I guess it should, depending on the user scale of course. Good one dude.

Paul

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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

> as seasoned users will know, choosing a user-scale for FTS'ing a part 
> usually precludes the choice of a root note for same, whereas 
> using one 
> of the preset scales allows free choice.

User scales and preset scales behave the same way, unless there's a bug I'm
not aware of.
Checked it just now, and seems to be fine...
Am I missing something ?

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

>>User scales and preset scales behave the same way, unless there's a
bug I'm not aware of.
Checked it just now, and seems to be fine... Am I missing something ?<<

erm.... wellll.... maybe we've all misinterpreted summat.... in the
manual, where it says "the root note, on step 1, cannot be turned off,
& will be indicated by a red LED".... it sort of implies that you're
stuck with a root of C for the user scales. sort of. 
 
what I realise now that I never tried doing (& m*********ing ***d*mn
the machine isn't in front of me at the moment) is changing the root
//after// selecting a user scale. I didn't think you could. I thought
the user scale always showed you itself.
probably I've been trying to edit the scale & set the root //at the
same time//, rather than edit the scale & then use it like one of the
preset scales.
I think I've been having a prolonged nagle-moment.

anyway. colin- what would be involved in modifying my 2nd unit so it
has a clock-only output like my first unit? I guess the midi board is
quite different- this one seems to have about 19 midi outs while the
other one has maybe two + the clock-only. maybe I'll just swap the
units over. steve's probably not going to try to drive it anyway,
despite our trying to make it colour-blind-friendly for him.

d.

> erm.... wellll.... maybe we've all misinterpreted summat.... in the
> manual, where it says "the root note, on step 1, cannot be turned off,
> & will be indicated by a red LED".... it sort of implies that you're
> stuck with a root of C for the user scales. sort of. 

I see where the confusion comes from...
The scale editor always shows the note numbers relative to C, but these are
transposed to the current root when the scale is applied.
Maybe it would make more sense to show the note names relative to the
current root.

> anyway. colin- what would be involved in modifying my 2nd unit so it
> has a clock-only output like my first unit?

IIRC the SYNC output on your second unit is a clock-only MIDI output.
Give it a try...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

>>I see where the confusion comes from... The scale editor always
shows the note numbers relative to C, but these are transposed to the
current root when the scale is applied.
Maybe it would make more sense to show the note names relative to the
current root.<<

I pondered some more, after I'd had some coffee, & wondered htf one is
supposed to enter a //scale// based on one's requirement for a
particular //key//, without having to do the transposing in one's
head, up-front... so to speak.... but that's the way life is sometimes.

e.g. if I want the machine to play in a key with no C's in it (which,
astonishingly for anyone who's heard our stuff, we do need to do
occasionally... "geiger" is in E flat minor, for example), I have to
think to myself "ignore the C, & sort it out afterwards... erm...
tone, tone, semitone, tone, tone, semitone.... ah f*ck, it says A...
does that mean A# or....?"

but to be fair, the distinction is clearly made & the tools are there
to achieve the required end. if it had said "force to key" or "user
key editor" then there might be a problem.

>>IIRC the SYNC output on your second unit is a clock-only MIDI output.<<

sync output? erm.... there are five (I think) midi outputs... none of
them say "sync" & so far, all of them have played notes. are you sure?

d.

>>Fair point.
I'll modify the scale editor to show note names based on the current
root.<<
>>Now I remember yours is a custom job...
The output on the right hand end (opposite end to the input) is your
sync only output.<<

you wouldn't get service like that from dieter doepfer, would ya, folks?

colin- fancy a pint?

d.

> I pondered some more, after I'd had some coffee, & wondered htf one is
> supposed to enter a //scale// based on one's requirement for a
> particular //key//, without having to do the transposing in one's
> head, up-front... so to speak.... but that's the way life is 
> sometimes.

Fair point.
I'll modify the scale editor to show note names based on the current root.
 
> sync output? erm.... there are five (I think) midi outputs... none of
> them say "sync" & so far, all of them have played notes. are you sure?

Now I remember yours is a custom job...
The output on the right hand end (opposite end to the input) is your sync
only output.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hey gang,

one to think about here, if you're in the mood.
This evening I was working on a pattern in which I wanted three notes to 
play randomly. But (and here's the catch) I wanted them to either all 
play or none of them.

There are usually several ways to achieve the same result and I'm sure 
some of you out there would have solved it differently. So my question, 
before I post the tip, is: how would you have done it?

Paul

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...>
wrote:
> before I post the tip, is: how would you have done it?

OK, P3 is not set up at this moment, so this is out of the theoretical
side of the brain:

An aux set up to turn another aux on or off randomly, set to middle
randomness. The other aux (later) that generates a random note,
randomness set to always. Only choose three notes for the random note
to occur.

Close?

-Jim
www.touchxtone.com

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:36:39 -0000, "jimcombsus"
<jwcombs@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>An aux set up to turn another aux on or off randomly, set to middle
>randomness. The other aux (later) that generates a random note,
>randomness set to always. Only choose three notes for the random note
>to occur.
>
>Close?

Remember that you set a random setting on every step where you want
randomness - so I don't think it would work. 
I'm looking for a way to ensure that, whenever one of my three notes
is randomly set active, the two other are also made active. And when
it's randomly set inactive,  the others too. 

Another way of thinking about it would be "how might you tie the
initiation of multiple events to a single random event?"

Paul
---
Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...>
wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:36:39 -0000, "jimcombsus"
> <jwcombs@b...> wrote:
> 
> >An aux set up to turn another aux on or off randomly, set to middle
> >randomness. The other aux (later) that generates a random note,
> >randomness set to always. Only choose three notes for the random note
> >to occur.
> >
> >Close?
> 
> Remember that you set a random setting on every step where you want
> randomness - so I don't think it would work. 
> I'm looking for a way to ensure that, whenever one of my three notes
> is randomly set active, the two other are also made active. And when
> it's randomly set inactive,  the others too. 
> 
> Another way of thinking about it would be "how might you tie the
> initiation of multiple events to a single random event?"

Hmmm, I thought I was setting up one aux to make the 3 notes random
and the randomness always (either 0 or 127 whichever is always). Then
I thought I was turning that aux on and off randomly in more the mid
randomness setting. 

So, at mid random (sometimes on, sometimes off) the aux controlling
the 3 random notes either is on or off. So either the 3 notes are
becoming random OR they conform to the original, non-auxified note values.

Again, all theory until the weekend when I get back setup;^)

-Jim
www.touchxtone.com

jimcombsus wrote:

>
>Hmmm, I thought I was setting up one aux to make the 3 notes random
>and the randomness always (either 0 or 127 whichever is always). Then
>I thought I was turning that aux on and off randomly in more the mid
>randomness setting. 
>
>So, at mid random (sometimes on, sometimes off) the aux controlling
>the 3 random notes either is on or off. So either the 3 notes are
>becoming random OR they conform to the original, non-auxified note values.
>  
>
Well, er, I didn't set out to confuse anyone, but I do appear to have 
innate skills in that direction... :)
My idea was actually fairly simple but I hoped to stimulate ideas on the 
list generally, rather than just spouting stuff like I usually do.

For what it's worth, this was my version:

Supposing the three notes I need to be either on or off are at steps 5, 
9 and 12 in my pattern

Aux A  Step 1 - Rand Aux C, value about 50 (play with the knob until it 
gives the randomness you desire)
Aux B  Steps 5, 9 and 12 set to Mask Gate,dAcc>n and make each value, 
say, 60
Aux C  Step1 - Offset D accum Abs, set to a value about 20 (play with 
this value too)

There is only one randomisation event and it happens before the three 
steps conditional gate masking. Aux B is the important one as it links 
our randomised number check (the value of accumulator D) to the same 
value on each step.

One useful job for the D accumulator is for toggling events - so using a 
large accumulator offset (rel) and conditional masks you can turn events 
(notes, direction changes, transposes, MIDI CCs etc.) on for a few 
passes of the pattern, then turn them off for a few passes and so on.

Is this kinda stuff any use?

Paul

-- 
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

>> Is this kinda stuff any use?<<

don't go shy on us now, nagle. spout away. :-)

d/r.m.i.

No! it's not any use to me.  I've got my eye on plan-B's
eurorack sized 4x8 analogue step-sequencer, which is nice
btw.  Almost like a mini-sized moog 960.

I'm sure the P3 can still be taken further yet....

Best,
A1k


--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "ferrograph632" 
<ferrograph@a...> wrote:

>
> >> Is this kinda stuff any use?<<
> 
> don't go shy on us now, nagle. spout away. :-)
> 
> d/r.m.i.
>

analog1k wrote:

>I'm sure the P3 can still be taken further yet....
>  
>
I'm taking one to the Canaries on Tuesday...

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music / Bogus Focus Records / Binar / Headshock / The Joint Intelligence Committee
        www.softroom.co.uk / www.BogusFocus.com / www.JointIntelligenceCommittee.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...>
wrote:
> I'm taking one to the Canaries on Tuesday...

[COFFEE SPEWS ONTO KEYBOARD]

Can't go much further than that;^)

-Jim