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knob grab tip advice needed

2005-11-06 by ferrograph632

& this is in the context of a p3 aux event (or two) & not anything to 
do with anything else at all.
ahem.

I'm trying to use one of the "unused mixer knobs" (i.e the 8 above the 
track/pattern buttons 1-8 & not the part buttons 9-16) to directly 
alter the length of the pattern in track one. I have aux A grabbing 
this knob's value on each step & passing it to aux C which is set 
(again on each step) to "set lngth rel". 
needles to sew, this isn't quite working & I get random leaping around 
of the pattern in question which, while not without it's own virtue, is 
not what I intended.

what, class, am I doing wrong? nagle! are you smoking, boy?

d.

Re: [analogue-sequencer] knob grab tip advice needed

2005-11-06 by Paul Nagle

ferrograph632 wrote:

>& this is in the context of a p3 aux event (or two) & not anything to 
>do with anything else at all.
>ahem.
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>I'm trying to use one of the "unused mixer knobs" (i.e the 8 above the 
>track/pattern buttons 1-8 & not the part buttons 9-16) to directly 
>alter the length of the pattern in track one. I have aux A grabbing 
>this knob's value on each step & passing it to aux C which is set 
>(again on each step) to "set lngth rel". 
>needles to sew, this isn't quite working & I get random leaping around 
>of the pattern in question which, while not without it's own virtue, is 
>not what I intended.
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>what, class, am I doing wrong? nagle! are you smoking, boy?
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Yep, doing P3 Tutorial today. Try doing set length abs

Paul

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Re: element talk

2005-11-14 by ferrograph632

>>Try doing set length abs<<

it worked. I don't know why it didn't work when I first selected it, 
but it works now.
anyone else finding the new aux selection pages a bit tricky? seems 
to take me quite a while & any number of "func+aux" to get 
from "cc#1" to "inter track" to "aux note" to "aux note abs". I think 
I may in future do a lot of the aux setups in advance, into empty 
patterns. I have gravitated towards using certain tracks for certain 
things- percussion here, chords here & so forth.
the crystal change, new cpu & software load all happened painlessly 
last week in the rehearsal room; I was able to load beta 26 & a load 
of patterns from my yamaha data-filer. now, ironically & for the 
first time, my two p3's are in the same room. terrible gear failures, 
I've had.....

were any of you at HJ4 on saturday? you might have noticed that I 
wasn't paying the p3 much attention during the gig. this was because, 
about ten minutes into our soundcheck, our proteus module decided to 
pack up. so I had to reprogramme... try to extract near-equivalent 
timbres from an alesis s4+, & hope it didn't run out of polyphony. 
great box, the s4... very under-rated, but we still lost a lot of 
functionality. 
the proteus' power supply turned out to be fried, probably 
condensation from being in the van all night. 
right after this, we also lost our power-amp & so had to rely on the 
supplied monitoring system instead of our own. ours is louder. this 
is probably why, at the end of our set, the house PA started making 
horrible noises...
but we muddled through. gave the vostok a little run too.

I had a closer look at the schrittmacher too (three of them). nice 
display & encoders, but it makes you realise how spoilt we are with 
the p3's extended functionality, not to mention v.f.m. 
I read the schritt's manual again just now- it seems to be a sort of 
uber-maq. one could imagine quite easily running out of ways to 
generate data for an even moderately complex arrangement, whereas my 
p3 often has two or three whole tracks lying idle because the active 
racks are doing so much. you could run a small orchestral arrangement 
from a p3....

I've found that I'm using a whole set of a track's patterns to store 
a sequence with more complex timing requirements & a lot of notes. 
so there'll be two tracks set to the same midi channel: the active 
part controls which set of 8 patterns is actually playing. 

this works ok but I'd quite like the freedom to allocate a bank's 
patterns (64, in my current config) freely amongst the tracks. 
I might, for instance, always use track 1 in live-input mode, while 
track 8 is playing some long chord/note sequence that needs all 8 
patterns because of the resolution. this means a chunk of memory is 
unused & unusable in this arrangement.

here's something else that would be really useful: I have been 
programming a lot of chord sequences into the p3. this is a bit 
laborious since it involves setting up the auxes (see above) & then 
entering the 2nds, 3rd & even 4ths for each chord. 

I know colin mentioned being able (one day) to capture chords 
straight into the auxes: how would this work? put the lowest note 
into the note-step & then write the next highest into each aux in 
turn? 
would the auxes have to be pre-armed to expect notes? would 
temporarily disabling the corresponding aux/step "protect" a note 
from being overwritten?

but how about, in the meantime, being able to copy/paste from another 
pattern straight into an aux that's been set up to play notes? would 
that be simpler to implement &/or operate?

so one would record the root notes into a pattern, then on another 
track /on the same channel/ record a pattern with the 2nds, then the 
3rds, & so on..... then paste these patterns into the auxes alongside 
the original root notes. & then, of course, the other tracks are free 
again, to be used on another channel.

nagle (if he's out there, if anyone's out there....) will probably 
tell us that there's already a way to do this, by getting an aux to 
grab notes from another track... but doesn't this push the grabbed 
values onto the main note steps, rather than the aux notes?

enough. back to work.

d/r.m.i.

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: element talk

2005-11-14 by Colin f

> anyone else finding the new aux selection pages a bit tricky?

Yep...
It's not quite as slick as I'd like.
I'm thinking about it.

> were any of you at HJ4 on saturday?

I heard about it elsewhere.
Ouch.

> I've found that I'm using a whole set of a track's patterns to store 
> a sequence with more complex timing requirements & a lot of notes. 
> so there'll be two tracks set to the same midi channel: the active 
> part controls which set of 8 patterns is actually playing. 
> 
> this works ok but I'd quite like the freedom to allocate a bank's 
> patterns (64, in my current config) freely amongst the tracks. 
> I might, for instance, always use track 1 in live-input mode, while 
> track 8 is playing some long chord/note sequence that needs all 8 
> patterns because of the resolution. this means a chunk of memory is 
> unused & unusable in this arrangement.

That's not beyond the scope of the way P3 manages pattern data, but it is
limited by some of the other data structures, which only have 4 bits to hold
a pattern number.
Maybe next time ;-)

> here's something else that would be really useful: I have been 
> programming a lot of chord sequences into the p3.

Really ? I've been recording them in live.

> I know colin mentioned being able (one day) to capture chords 
> straight into the auxes: how would this work?

When you go into real-time record, if the pattern you are recording into has
any auxes assigned to 'aux note abs', they will be written with whatever
notes you happen to be holding. The most recently played note is written to
the primary note value, to retain compatibility with mono recording of
legato.
It's a little bit different from the way a normal sequencer records
polyphonically, in some ways a bit limiting, but in others, actually very
interesting.
It needs a bit more work, but there should be a public beta of this soon.
I'm going to have to change the way 'aux note abs' works, which may cause
compatibility issues unless I leave the old event in and add a new one, or
P3Tools comes to my rescue...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: element talk

2005-11-14 by Paul Nagle

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:38:38 -0000, "ferrograph632"
<ferrograph@aol.com> wrote:

>anyone else finding the new aux selection pages a bit tricky? seems 
>to take me quite a while & any number of "func+aux" to get 
>from "cc#1" to "inter track" to "aux note" to "aux note abs". 

I find it way, way faster. For example, I now dare to dial up auxes
mid-performance which was too slow to do when you just had the large
list to scroll through. The page key still toggles between cc# and
auxes but the function key toggles between top level aux groups (e.g.
Accumulator, Randomize, Inter Track etc.) and the members of those
groups (e.g. offset note rel, rand mask tie, grab etc.).

Paul
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Re: element talk

2005-11-14 by em_dkj

> were any of you at HJ4 on saturday? you might have noticed that I 
> wasn't paying the p3 much attention during the gig. this was because, 
> about ten minutes into our soundcheck, our proteus module decided to 
> pack up. so I had to reprogramme... 

I was there ...

The blown proteus explains a lot. I have to admit I was hoping for
more sequencing than you did, but it sounds like its amazing that you
managed to do any at all.

Total respect for managing to pull it off. It was still a very
entertaining set.

If you read Steve Jenkins post on beyond_em, it sounds like the whole
day was one technical disaster after another.


By the way Colin ...
I'd thought I'd give the old P3 a plug by wearing my P3 T shirt to the
gig. But despite your promise, it did not seem to attract loads of
women. I want my money back. :-) :-) :-) :-) 


Dave

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: element talk

2005-11-14 by Martin Naef

Hi Colin

Colin f wrote:
>>anyone else finding the new aux selection pages a bit tricky?
> Yep...
> It's not quite as slick as I'd like.
> I'm thinking about it.

I actually like it. I'm sometimes a bit confused about switching between 
AUX and CC (not 100% intuitive, and I haven't used it enough to have the 
full automatism in my fingers), but once I'm at at AUX selection, it 
works very nicely. Admittedly, it's a two step selection process, but 
that's still much quicker than trying to stop the moment the type is 
rushing past...

Bye
Martin

Re: element talk

2005-11-14 by ch.³l

hi all,
> I find it way, way faster. For example, I now dare to dial up auxes
> mid-performance which was too slow to do when you just had the large
> list to scroll through. The page key still toggles between cc# and
> auxes but the function key toggles between top level aux groups (e.g.
> Accumulator, Randomize, Inter Track etc.) and the members of those
> groups (e.g. offset note rel, rand mask tie, grab etc.).
> 
> Paul

me too. it took a bit of getting used to, especially if you have 2
P3's and one has the "old" method and the other has the new, but i'm
finding it much faster and a lot clearer. the first events in the
groups are in many cases the ones I use the most, so dialing up the
right event is a breeze now.
I'm also very pleased with the front-panel (play-mode) knob-access
from pattern-edit mode, although it makes me wish for a similar
function in playlist-edit mode. ;-)

and @ Duncan:
> I've found that I'm using a whole set of a track's patterns to store
> a sequence with more complex timing requirements & a lot of notes.

I've had a similar dilemma, where for instance I'll want a bassline
that is more or less the same for a while, but i'll want, say, 8 small
variations on the basic pattern before they start repeating. Instead
of filling all 8 available patterns (in 6*8 memory mode) with these
variations, I now mostly use the aux D accumulator & accumulator masks
to get the same effect. for example i'd set the dAcc limit to 7, aux D
to 'offset aux D rel' with step 16 set to a value of +1, and set aux C
to 'mask gate, dAcc>n'. If you then also set aux A (or B, depending on
what you're after) to 'aux C = event n' there's a whole new world of
possibilities; for instance there's some lovely stuff you could do
with aux B set to 'mask gate, dAcc>n' and aux C set to 'mask gate,
n>dAcc'. great stuff is possible with auxes manipulating auxes...

grtz Chiel

Re: element talk

2005-11-16 by ferrograph632

>>The page key still toggles between cc# and auxes but the function key 
toggles between top level aux groups (e.g. Accumulator, Randomize, 
Inter Track etc.) and the members of those groups (e.g. offset note 
rel, rand mask tie, grab etc.).<<

well now I know. [sigh] must've missed a meeting.... :-)
I've just been poking at the buttons until the right thing (in this 
case, inter track) appears. is there a picture somewhere of how they're 
all grouped now? 
I'm sorry, I'm being a bit senior-management get-it-eventually about 
this....

d.

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Re: element talk

2005-11-16 by Colin f

> well now I know. [sigh] must've missed a meeting.... :-)
> I've just been poking at the buttons until the right thing (in this 
> case, inter track) appears. is there a picture somewhere of 
> how they're 
> all grouped now? 

Mea culpa.
You'll find 'P3 aux events v.3.1.006b31.pdf' in Yahoo files now.
I think it's up to date...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: element talk

2005-11-16 by ferrograph632

>>The blown proteus explains a lot. I have to admit I was hoping for 
more sequencing than you did, but it sounds like its amazing that you 
managed to do any at all.
Total respect for managing to pull it off. It was still a very 
entertaining set.<<

cheers. yes, nearly everything- the odd burble from the vostok which 
arrived the day before aside- came from the slightly over-worked & 
under-specced alesis s4+. under-rated box. 

but so no, no resonant filter action. this made me a bit wary of 
launching us into any major chris franke type action but well, that 
was pretty well covered by the day's other contestants, wasn't it? 
steph's doepfer wallpaper... we're really more of a space-rock band 
these days. less is more. yadda yadda.

>> If you read Steve Jenkins post on beyond_em, it sounds like the 
whole day was one technical disaster after another.<<

not seen that yet- too painful. but we lost our trusty revox power 
amp during the soundcheck too, & this put us in my least favourite 
position of having to rely on the (unfamiliar) house monitors. they 
weren't bad, but they didn't go loud enough &, by the end of our set, 
they were buggered aswell. if we'd had our original set of sounds 
available, they would not have survived the first number.
next time, eh? :-)
the proteus will probably need a new power supply since, even with a 
new fuse & no condensation, I can't trust it now. the revox is a bit 
more serious, in that it has probably lost at least four power 
transistors & these things are quite dangerous to work on.
(in 110V mode, it rectifies the mains straight onto the output stage).

still, I got rid of the humming from steve j's arp oddity. the usual 
roadie trick, & I told him to be sure & put it back afterwards....

d./r.m.i.

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