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anyone using   a syntecno tee bee and   p3?

just won a   a MK I I I   off good   'ol   e-bay   .

its   in the mail.   seems like a nice companion   w/ the p3.

slides   with   the P3 tie mode?   hmmm

the tee bee   has one midi IN   & two   midi Merge   ins??..   i   ve   not 
grasped what the merge ins would be useful for.

the manual   mentions   two   sep   computers..   .    or   in my case   the 
mpc 3000 &   p3?

Hate to bug   colin   with more requests . .   But   the fact that the manual 
is lacking   pictures of   the front   panel per section is frustrating .   
the 909, 808, X0x   etc   manuals   by Roland   always    had some picture   
with   a   shaded   area   of   the panel   that was being explained. although 
often cryptic,   the pictures would help you   SEE    what was going on.   
there's just so much to learn about the P3   but when its too late to have   my 
synths   running ,   its   nice to be able   to   read   the manual. .

just a thought. .    i think someone   mentioned   it before. .   

there's    just so much One man can do.

colin   is   like superman

amazing!

   


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> Hi all, I started with the P3 few time ago. Now that I'm 
> starting to understand the sequencer, I found a big problem: 
> I can't get the P3 sychronised with the midi clock from Cubase.

> I found this same behaviour with a Radikal Technologies 
> Spectralis, finally I sold it, the guy from Radikal told me 
> that the problem is about the way that Cubase sends the midi 
> ticks, his machine wasn't made to handle with this, he 
> promissed a further software revision to make it synched with Cubase.

It sounds like Cubase is sending MIDI clock bytes in bursts with highly
irregular timing.
This is a problem with Cubase (and possibly the MIDI interface device
drivers) rather than the P3 or Spectralis.
The tempo of MIDI clock is defined by the interval between each clock.
By sending irregular clock bytes, Cubase is wildly varying the tempo all
over the place.
Sending 3 ticks at 1000 bpm followed by 3 ticks at 50 bpm may average out at
around 100 bpm, but it is not the same thing.

P3 doubles the incoming clock rate to its own 48ppqn resolution, and if the
incoming tempo exceeds the maximum tempo P3 supports (around 250bpm) it can
lose sync.
It might be possible to 'smooth' the rate the clock bytes are received, but
this would be adding extra load just to fix Steinberg's bad software, so it
isn't a big priority for me at the moment.
IIRC, Cubase SX can't sync to incoming MIDI clock (?) Probably because they
can't write timing critical software to save their lives...

I know there are some MIDI interfaces which support a Steinberg protocol for
sending the MIDI data in advance, and clocking it out at exactly the right
time - maybe this would make the clock pulses regular and help devices which
respond instantly to tempo changes ?

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Hi all, I started with the P3 few time ago. Now that I'm starting to understand the sequencer, I found a big problem: I can't get the P3 sychronised with the midi clock from Cubase.

In my normal setup I send the midi clock from cubase to my equipment through a MOTU midi Ttimepiece, all of them are perfectly tight, excepting the P3 sequencer. 

P3 works perfect if I connect it to the midi clock output of any of my drummachines, sequencers, etc... But not with this software sequencer. 

I found this same behaviour with a Radikal Technologies Spectralis, finally I sold it, the guy from Radikal told me that the problem is about the way that Cubase sends the midi ticks, his machine wasn't made to handle with this, he promissed a further software revision to make it synched with Cubase.

I wouldn't like to sell also my P3 sequencer, I love this machine. Please, could anybody tell me if anyone succesfully connected this machine to Cubase? (I currently use Cubase SX 2.0) And how?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Miguel Mendoza.



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> Anyway I don't know why a very simple machine like an 
> Electribe can work with Cubase or even my Jomox Xbase 09 from 
> a very small company and great instruments like the P3 or 
> Spectralis can't do it... 

Whether a synced device will keep in time depends on how it deals with
bursts of very high tempo.
I'll review the P3 code and see how hard it will be to track incoming clocks
in a different way, that allows it to keep up with irregular streams.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:09:01 +0100, "Miguel Mendoza"
<miguel@filminteractive.es> wrote:

> wouldn't like to sell also my P3 sequencer, I love this machine. Please, could anybody tell me if anyone >succesfully connected this machine to Cubase? (I currently use Cubase SX 2.0) And how?

It worked fine last time I tried it (admittedly with Cubase VST not
SX). You select the MIDI port to which you want to send MIDI clock,
send it and the P3 responds. As long as you have the correct MIDI Port
and send Clock (not MTC or anything weird like that) then you should
have no problems.

I have a Spectralis here too - haven't synced it externally yet but
will try this evening. 

Paul

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Thanks Colin for your answer, I don't have any doubt about about Cubase is not the best software sequencer but it is what I'm using much time ago, I work with PC so I can't use Logic Audio. 

All my tracks are made with Cubase, so for me will be a major problem to change the software sequencer than to any peripherical instrument. 

I'm only asking for an easy solution or to know if someone has this same problem.

Anyway I don't know why a very simple machine like an Electribe can work with Cubase or even my Jomox Xbase 09 from a very small company and great instruments like the P3 or Spectralis can't do it... 

Please, any help?

Thanks.

Miguel.

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  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:45 PM
  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] RE: Anybody using Cubase?



  > Hi all, I started with the P3 few time ago. Now that I'm 
  > starting to understand the sequencer, I found a big problem: 
  > I can't get the P3 sychronised with the midi clock from Cubase.

  > I found this same behaviour with a Radikal Technologies 
  > Spectralis, finally I sold it, the guy from Radikal told me 
  > that the problem is about the way that Cubase sends the midi 
  > ticks, his machine wasn't made to handle with this, he 
  > promissed a further software revision to make it synched with Cubase.

  It sounds like Cubase is sending MIDI clock bytes in bursts with highly
  irregular timing.
  This is a problem with Cubase (and possibly the MIDI interface device
  drivers) rather than the P3 or Spectralis.
  The tempo of MIDI clock is defined by the interval between each clock.
  By sending irregular clock bytes, Cubase is wildly varying the tempo all
  over the place.
  Sending 3 ticks at 1000 bpm followed by 3 ticks at 50 bpm may average out at
  around 100 bpm, but it is not the same thing.

  P3 doubles the incoming clock rate to its own 48ppqn resolution, and if the
  incoming tempo exceeds the maximum tempo P3 supports (around 250bpm) it can
  lose sync.
  It might be possible to 'smooth' the rate the clock bytes are received, but
  this would be adding extra load just to fix Steinberg's bad software, so it
  isn't a big priority for me at the moment.
  IIRC, Cubase SX can't sync to incoming MIDI clock (?) Probably because they
  can't write timing critical software to save their lives...

  I know there are some MIDI interfaces which support a Steinberg protocol for
  sending the MIDI data in advance, and clocking it out at exactly the right
  time - maybe this would make the clock pulses regular and help devices which
  respond instantly to tempo changes ?

  Best regards,
  Colin Fraser
  Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
  http://www.sequentix.com




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On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:45:09 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>IIRC, Cubase SX can't sync to incoming MIDI clock (?) Probably because they
>can't write timing critical software to save their lives...

Cubase VST can sync to incoming clock but as SX is essentially Nuendo
rebadged, and therefore primarily an audio application, Steinberg
wanted to remove the possibility of syncing a high end audio recorder
to something as inherently unreliable as a series of clock pulses. As
soon as you have a tempo change, you'll see why.. :)

>I know there are some MIDI interfaces which support a Steinberg protocol for
>sending the MIDI data in advance, and clocking it out at exactly the right
>time - maybe this would make the clock pulses regular and help devices which
>respond instantly to tempo changes ?

I think you're referring to the LTB technology (developed by Access)
that is used on the MIDEX8 interface, and possibly others. 

Basically, SX should send MIDI clock and do so properly or its beta
testers (I used to be one) will report it as a bug and get it fixed.
I'll give it a spin this evening and let you know how I get on.

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You could try this:

Get midiox and midiyoke.

Use Midiox as your master time keeper, it has a cute little 'tape deck' 
controller box. Midiox can output both MTC and midiclock. Drive SX with 
the MTC from midiox via a virtual midi cable in midiyoke. Drive the P3 
from your ordinary midi output that midiox is set up to output to.

Yes, its a bit of a faff.

Alternatively, sell SX and buy Live. :-)

Mind you Live's not perfect either. PDC grumble, grumble...

Tony

Miguel,

This might be of interest:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun04/articles/cubasenotes.htm

Check the section 'MIDI Clock Caveats'

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Thanks Tony, a bit complicated but I'll try it.
Cheers!
Miguel.

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  You could try this:

  Get midiox and midiyoke.

  Use Midiox as your master time keeper, it has a cute little 'tape deck' 
  controller box. Midiox can output both MTC and midiclock. Drive SX with 
  the MTC from midiox via a virtual midi cable in midiyoke. Drive the P3 
  from your ordinary midi output that midiox is set up to output to.

  Yes, its a bit of a faff.

  Alternatively, sell SX and buy Live. :-)

  Mind you Live's not perfect either. PDC grumble, grumble...

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Just wanted to know if anyone could check it with Cubase SX 3, I don't have it.
Thanks.
Miguel.


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Thanks Colin, but I have the sysex filter activated already.
Cheers.
Miguel.

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  Miguel,

  This might be of interest:
  http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun04/articles/cubasenotes.htm

  Check the section 'MIDI Clock Caveats'

  Best regards,
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I just did some sync experiments with Cubase SX 2 and the P3. I find I 
can get perfect sync if I use the MIDEX8 interface and pretty good sync 
if I use my RME Multiface MIDI output. However, the RME was more 
susceptible to wackiness at extremes of tempo (anything below about 
70BPM or above 180BPM).

I realise the results aren't conclusive but if you have access to a MIDI 
interface that gives a tight clock output, you'll probably have no 
problems. I've synced the P3 to various hardware devices and never had a 
problem.

Another reason I leave my PC firmly out of the music-making equation. 
Too many variables.

Paul

P.S. I had no trouble syncing the Spectralis either. The only problems I 
had were if I altered tempo via the transport manually. Then strangeness 
occurred. The solution to that was to use the tempo track - in which 
case all tempo changes seemed just peachy.

Paul,
 
I have plenty of experience (and lost sleep) regarding what you just
mentioned.  I used to clock all my clock devices (TR-909, TR-808,
TR-606, TB-303, Jomox Xbase09, etc, etc) from Cubase with an Creative SB
Live!.  Always used to get problems.  It forced me to temporarily switch
over to an MC-303 to be used as a master free-hand MIDI sequencer
(record notes from a keyboard, not step sequence)
 
When I switched over to an M-Audio FW interface, it all dissapeared, no
more lags, so I was able to switch back to a computer sequencer (ie.
Cubase)
 
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I just did some sync experiments with Cubase SX 2 and the P3. I find I 
can get perfect sync if I use the MIDEX8 interface and pretty good sync 
if I use my RME Multiface MIDI output. However, the RME was more 
susceptible to wackiness at extremes of tempo (anything below about 
70BPM or above 180BPM).

I realise the results aren't conclusive but if you have access to a MIDI

interface that gives a tight clock output, you'll probably have no 
problems. I've synced the P3 to various hardware devices and never had a

problem.

Another reason I leave my PC firmly out of the music-making equation. 
Too many variables.

Paul

P.S. I had no trouble syncing the Spectralis either. The only problems I

had were if I altered tempo via the transport manually. Then strangeness

occurred. The solution to that was to use the tempo track - in which 
case all tempo changes seemed just peachy.



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> anyone using   a syntecno tee bee and   p3?
> just won a   a MK I I I   off good   'ol   e-bay   .
> its   in the mail.   seems like a nice companion   w/ the p3.
> slides   with   the P3 tie mode?   hmmm

Any sensible implementation of a 303 clone should do auto-slide on
overlapped notes, since the real 303 must always overlap notes it slide
between. If the teebee does this, combined with velocity switching of
accent, it should work great.
I've got a lot of original 303 patterns copied into my P3 for backup and/or
tweaking via my MidiBass retrofit.
If I find some time, I'll do a little package of mp3s of the 303 playing
them, with P3 sysex for the patterns so you can compare your clone.

> Hate to bug   colin   with more requests . .   But   the fact 
> that the manual 
> is lacking   pictures of   the front   panel per section is 
> frustrating .   

I've got a panel image done for the next version of the manual.
My problem is just finding the time to get the next firmware release
finished, so I can bring the manual in line with it.
Soon... I hope.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> if you're trying to emulate a TB-303, you need a similar sequencer
> capable of provoking similar slides and accents, else no matter what
> clone you have, no matter how good the filter is, it will do 
> jack shit.

Even similar isn't 100% there - you need a bloody awkward sequencer that
never quite lets you do what you want.
Some recent clones seem to miss this point entirely - "full reproduction"
and "easier to use sequencer" are mutually exclusive IMHO.

> cause if I hear another 303 again, I'm gonna shoot myself

I think of the 303 as a latter day folk instrument - not something you're
likely to break new ground with, but still a lot of fun to play.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> Thanks Paul, but do you think that a MOTU Midi TImepiece 
> doesn't give a tight clock output? I also tried with a Midiman 4x4.

I would think the drivers could play a large part in this - MIDI interfaces
themselves are little more than USB COM ports running at MIDI baud rates.
But I guess you probably already made sure you're using the latest ones ?

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
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> I think that is EXACTLY what he was asking this list. Will the P3
> Sequencer do this with the Tee-Bee.

Being able to identically reproduce a 303 pattern was one of the original
design goals for P3.
As I'm sure I've mentioned before ;-), if you record a 303 pattern into P3
via a MidiBass interface
<http://www.colinfraser.com/mb303/index.html>
then play back from P3 to 303, you cannot hear any difference from the
original 303 sequencer at all.

> The answer is yes, if you have the lastest OS in the Tee-Bee mkIII so
> that it will accept overlapping notes as slides.  My Tee-Bee mkIII has
> the latest OS chip in and does an excellent job of emulating the 303
> with the P3 as the sequencer.  You just have to remember that the
> Tee-Bee uses the Velocity to determine if the Accent is on or not.  So
> just adjust your velocity to remove the accent, or use the 
> Sculpt to set
> all of it below 50 for non accented 303 goodness and then raise up the
> velocity on those notes you want accented...

If you want to quickly use the step keys to turn accent on or off, you can
set up a pattern with low velocity on all steps, then assign an aux to 'set
velocity' and set all the aux values high.
Once that's done, toggling the accents with the aux enables on the step
switches can be quicker than knob twiddling.

Best regards,
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> Just wanted to know if anyone could check it with Cubase SX 3, I
don't > have it.
> Thanks.
> Miguel.


hi Miguel, 
i'm running SX3.0 now, midi out through a Roland a-880, and it syncs
up my P3's just fine. I used a similar solution to the one Tony
mentions when I was still running VST on winME; it solved a huge load
of problems for me. midiOX is still one of the best midi utilities
around IMO.

grtz Chiel

<mailto:alex_reid@sympatico.ca> 
I've used one briefly, and being a very big past user of the TB-303 and
FR-777, I can say this:
 
if you're trying to emulate a TB-303, you need a similar sequencer
capable of provoking similar slides and accents, else no matter what
clone you have, no matter how good the filter is, it will do jack shit.
this is all dependent that you're trying to get something close to the
original 303
 
if you're just using the teebee for the sake of a nice synth, it's a
cool little machine.  do something different with it, cause if I hear
another 303 again, I'm gonna shoot myself
 
 
 
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anyone using   a syntecno tee bee and   p3?

just won a   a MK I I I   off good   'ol   e-bay   .

its   in the mail.   seems like a nice companion   w/ the p3.

slides   with   the P3 tie mode?   hmmm

the tee bee   has one midi IN   & two   midi Merge   ins??..   i   ve
not 
grasped what the merge ins would be useful for.

the manual   mentions   two   sep   computers..   .    or   in my case
the 
mpc 3000 &   p3?

Hate to bug   colin   with more requests . .   But   the fact that the
manual 
is lacking   pictures of   the front   panel per section is frustrating
.   
the 909, 808, X0x   etc   manuals   by Roland   always    had some
picture   
with   a   shaded   area   of   the panel   that was being explained.
although 
often cryptic,   the pictures would help you   SEE    what was going on.

there's just so much to learn about the P3   but when its too late to
have   my 
synths   running ,   its   nice to be able   to   read   the manual. .

just a thought. .    i think someone   mentioned   it before. .   

there's    just so much One man can do.

colin   is   like superman

amazing!

   


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Signals & Systems wrote:

> if you're trying to emulate a TB-303, you need a similar sequencer
> capable of provoking similar slides and accents,

I think that is EXACTLY what he was asking this list. Will the P3
Sequencer do this with the Tee-Bee.


The answer is yes, if you have the lastest OS in the Tee-Bee mkIII so
that it will accept overlapping notes as slides.  My Tee-Bee mkIII has
the latest OS chip in and does an excellent job of emulating the 303
with the P3 as the sequencer.  You just have to remember that the
Tee-Bee uses the Velocity to determine if the Accent is on or not.  So
just adjust your velocity to remove the accent, or use the Sculpt to set
all of it below 50 for non accented 303 goodness and then raise up the
velocity on those notes you want accented...


Cheers,

Dave

Thanks Paul, but do you think that a MOTU Midi TImepiece doesn't give a tight clock output? I also tried with a Midiman 4x4.
Regards.
Miguel.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Nagle 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:58 PM
  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Cubase Sync


  I just did some sync experiments with Cubase SX 2 and the P3. I find I 
  can get perfect sync if I use the MIDEX8 interface and pretty good sync 
  if I use my RME Multiface MIDI output. However, the RME was more 
  susceptible to wackiness at extremes of tempo (anything below about 
  70BPM or above 180BPM).

  I realise the results aren't conclusive but if you have access to a MIDI 
  interface that gives a tight clock output, you'll probably have no 
  problems. I've synced the P3 to various hardware devices and never had a 
  problem.

  Another reason I leave my PC firmly out of the music-making equation. 
  Too many variables.

  Paul

  P.S. I had no trouble syncing the Spectralis either. The only problems I 
  had were if I altered tempo via the transport manually. Then strangeness 
  occurred. The solution to that was to use the tempo track - in which 
  case all tempo changes seemed just peachy.


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Colin f wrote:

> 
> If you want to quickly use the step keys to turn accent on or off, you can
> set up a pattern with low velocity on all steps, then assign an aux to 'set
> velocity' and set all the aux values high.
> Once that's done, toggling the accents with the aux enables on the step
> switches can be quicker than knob twiddling.

Yes, much better for live use as well as for more 303 like programming
experience.   Thanks for the tip!


Dave

Thanks Chiel, I have been trying with MidiOX but I still didn't get it, I don't know much this software. 
Cheers.
Miguel.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ch.³l 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:12 AM
  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Anybody using Cubase? SX3 works?


  > Just wanted to know if anyone could check it with Cubase SX 3, I
  don't > have it.
  > Thanks.
  > Miguel.


  hi Miguel, 
  i'm running SX3.0 now, midi out through a Roland a-880, and it syncs
  up my P3's just fine. I used a similar solution to the one Tony
  mentions when I was still running VST on winME; it solved a huge load
  of problems for me. midiOX is still one of the best midi utilities
  around IMO.

  grtz Chiel






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On 6 Dec 2005, at 22:57, Colin f wrote:

> I would think the drivers could play a large part in this - MIDI  
> interfaces
> themselves are little more than USB COM ports running at MIDI baud  
> rates.

The original MIDI Time Piece was a RS-422 device which could run 8  
MIDI ins and 8 outs via a multiplexing protocol. (The Opcode Studio-N  
boxes were similar, using OMS for the control protocol.) I presume  
all the current MOTU models are USB - I have a thing called a Micro  
Express which is a cut-down, 4-in, 6-out, USB box in the MTP series.  
It has some onboard intelligence - routing and filtering, as well as  
SMPTE-to-MTC conversion - and also believes in timestamped messages  
to improve timing (it says here). It also knows about beat clock in a  
particular way: MIDI realtime bytes go to all MIDI outputs (whether  
you want it or not), and SPP messages basically go nowhere unless  
you're running Digital Performer.

I've had two MTP's and this Micro Express box, and had no problems  
with beat clock which couldn't be pinned down to the application  
software.


   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http:// 
www.cassiel.com

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:49:36 +0100, "Miguel Mendoza"
<miguel@filminteractive.es> wrote:

>Thanks Paul, but do you think that a MOTU Midi TImepiece doesn't give a tight clock output? I also tried with a Midiman 4x4.

I couldn't possibly know about your situation. Computers are a mystery
to me, hence I don't use them in my music any more. All I can do is
sympathise, report that it worked fine for me and describe my
hardware. 

It wouldn't surprise me if tomorrow I installed a seemingly innocuous
plugin or new program and everything went down the toilet. 

Good luck!

Paul
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Yes, you are right!

Thanks.

Miguel.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [analogue-sequencer] Cubase Sync


  On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:49:36 +0100, "Miguel Mendoza"
  <miguel@filminteractive.es> wrote:

  >Thanks Paul, but do you think that a MOTU Midi TImepiece doesn't give a tight clock output? I also tried with a Midiman 4x4.

  I couldn't possibly know about your situation. Computers are a mystery
  to me, hence I don't use them in my music any more. All I can do is
  sympathise, report that it worked fine for me and describe my
  hardware. 

  It wouldn't surprise me if tomorrow I installed a seemingly innocuous
  plugin or new program and everything went down the toilet. 

  Good luck!

  Paul
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ah.... the tb303.... fond memories. I actually got quite handy at 
programming the thing at one time. the trick, in song-mode, is to 
turn the sound off while you are selecting patterns. the 303 always 
plays you what's currently at a song-step location after you've 
committed a change to the previous step, so you are constantly 
hearing bits of an old song, which might even be in a different key. 
write a list of the patterns you want it to play, & dial them in 
without listening....
one of my favourite tricks with the thing was to take out the 
batteries for just long enough to scramble it's brains, about three 
minutes IIRC. it would "make up" mad patterns of it's own, with 
glides & accents all over the shop, which one could then edit into 
something a tad more useful.
colin- you should try this & see how closely the p3's randomness 
approximates proper novram-scrambling.

duncan.

Hey guys, gals and groovy indeterminites,

been a long afternoon pottering... results straight from P3, trimmed in 
Wavelab and now
at
http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/P3/
track "NoodlyPoodly.mp3"

Smokin Paul

gr8t stuff paul....

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Nagle 
  To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:10 PM
  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] P3 Noodly


  Hey guys, gals and groovy indeterminites,

  been a long afternoon pottering... results straight from P3, trimmed in 
  Wavelab and now
  at
  http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/P3/
  track "NoodlyPoodly.mp3"

  Smokin Paul


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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...>
wrote:
>
> Hey guys, gals and groovy indeterminites,
> 
> been a long afternoon pottering... results straight from P3, trimmed in 
> Wavelab and now
> at
> http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/P3/
> track "NoodlyPoodly.mp3"
> 
> Smokin Paul

Oh, yeah! That got my head bobbin'!

One P3 or two?

-Jim
www.touchxtone.com

In some thread, I noticed at one point someone mentioning a Sequentix P4
model, ie. infering a physically different model than the current P3.  Was I
having a psychotic episode, or are there actually plans for such a machine?


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> In some thread, I noticed at one point someone mentioning a 
> Sequentix P4
> model, ie. infering a physically different model than the 
> current P3.  Was I
> having a psychotic episode, or are there actually plans for 
> such a machine?

There are no firm plans - just a wish-list of features for a bigger, more
capable and more expensive unit that I might build one day if P3 is enough
of a commercial success to justify it.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

...and I should add, if it does ever happen, it wont be called 'P4'.
Single letter, single digit names are not the best for finding via search
engines...

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

I am working on my P3 and need to purchase a screen for it...
Anyone using larger LCD or LEDS, nixie tubes, i dunno...
something a little different....

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Hello, finally I can run the P3 synchronized with Cubase SX. First I want to thank you for the hints. My procedure is as follows, if someone has now or in the future the same problem this is a good way to do it. 

- I use Midi OX and Midiyoke (Thanks Tony). These are realy good apps and you can download them for free.
- First thing, I configure Midi OX. I setup Midi Yoke 1 as input port and the output to the P3 port in the midi interface. I filtered all the events in the Midi Ox filter, excepting start stop and continue messages (Note on and Note off are optional).
- I opened the Midi OX Midi sync window and  "send clock". The BPM in this window has to match the BPM on your cubase project. Don't hit play in this window.
- Then in Cubase I chose in the transport confing to send midi clock to the Midi Yoke channel 1.

That's all, the P3 now responds to the start, stop and continue messages from Cubase and keeps the timing.

Anyway I would like that P3 will sync Cubase like any other machine, I don't know still if there can be any latency issue although all my tests seem to work fine.

Thanks for your help.

Regards.

Miguel Mendoza.



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Sweet mother of God.  The drums in "NoodlyPoodly[1].mp3" has more groove
than the sweeter Baby Jesus.
 
Was any type of offsettings / swing functions used for that?

 
 

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To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: P3 Noodly


--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...>
wrote:
>
> Hey guys, gals and groovy indeterminites,
> 
> been a long afternoon pottering... results straight from P3, trimmed in 
> Wavelab and now
> at
> http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/P3/
> track "NoodlyPoodly.mp3"
> 
> Smokin Paul

Oh, yeah! That got my head bobbin'!

One P3 or two?

-Jim
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true that man, just gave it another listen...
sweet grooves...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sweet mother of God.  The drums in "NoodlyPoodly[1].mp3" has more groove
  than the sweeter Baby Jesus.

  Was any type of offsettings / swing functions used for that?




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  > Hey guys, gals and groovy indeterminites,
  > 
  > been a long afternoon pottering... results straight from P3, trimmed in 
  > Wavelab and now
  > at
  > http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/P3/
  > track "NoodlyPoodly.mp3"
  > 
  > Smokin Paul

  Oh, yeah! That got my head bobbin'!

  One P3 or two?

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