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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Din sync problem with Tr-909

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Din sync problem with Tr-909

2006-02-08 by Colin f

I have my 909 permanently hooked to the P3 via DIN sync, and never have any
trouble.
I do also have an 808 hooked up to, so maybe that makes a differnce...

In later P3s that have the SYNC socket wired for both MIDI and DIN sync at
the same time, it's possible that the MIDI data signal on pin 5 (which is
the DIN continue pin) could be causing this problem.
This data/continue pin does go low at the as the RUN line goes high, since
it is carrying the start and LSB bits of the MIDI start message, but maybe
the low pulse is too short and the 909 still sees a continue pulse now and
again.

On dual-wired units, you can configure the SYNC output to *only* send either
MIDI or DIN sync. This should resolve any problem.
While turning on P3, hold step key 2 to select DIN sync only.
Or hold step key 3 to select MIDI clock only.
The setting will be written to EEPROM in the PIC, so should be recalled even
after a power cycle.
Holding step key 1 should restore both MIDI and DIN output - though for a
few units this wont be stored in the PIC EEPROM due to a bug (oh, how I hate
PIC assembly...).
If you find that's the case on yours, I can send you an updated PIC.
In most cases, selecting MIDI or DIN alone should be all you need.

> HMMM   why dont you just send midi clock   out of the P3 to 
> the 909?   that 
> works like a charm :)

Not on my 909 - early units have known issues with MIDI clock.
They can often end up out by a tick.

> i vaguely remember   having the 606 /808's   din out into   
> the 909s   din 
> in. . then   using the 909's   midi clock   to   drive the 
> p3. . it held   
> togtether. .

Using the 909 as MIDI clock master works well, but then you don't have the
ability to switch between pattern play and edit on the 909 without stopping.
With the 909 synced to P3, you can press stop manually on the 909, select
pattern edit, then restart it in time using FUNC+RUN on P3.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Din sync problem with Tr-909

2006-02-08 by sad1robot@aol.com

HMMM   why dont you just send midi clock   out of the P3 to the 909?   that 
works like a charm :)

ill try   and test my 909   . din   in   see if i have the same behaviour.

i vaguely remember   having the 606 /808's   din out into   the 909s   din 
in. . then   using the 909's   midi clock   to   drive the p3. . it held   
togtether. .   i think??   then again   i   let a tr -505   fly out of my hands and 
dent my p3   keypad f1 switch (too much coffee   i swear)   so .. i might be 
wrong

anyone   use a microwave xt   with a   p3 ?   there a used one   up for grabs 
in the local paper , 
hmm says its   big & orange.






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Re: Din sync problem with Tr-909

2006-02-08 by vliesgaard

Yeaha it works again.
I made the din sync output to sync only and that solved the problem.
Thanks everyone for the fast reply's

By Juur

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" <colin@...> wrote:
>
> 
> I have my 909 permanently hooked to the P3 via DIN sync, and never
have any
> trouble.
> I do also have an 808 hooked up to, so maybe that makes a differnce...
> 
> In later P3s that have the SYNC socket wired for both MIDI and DIN
sync at
> the same time, it's possible that the MIDI data signal on pin 5
(which is
> the DIN continue pin) could be causing this problem.
> This data/continue pin does go low at the as the RUN line goes high,
since
> it is carrying the start and LSB bits of the MIDI start message, but
maybe
> the low pulse is too short and the 909 still sees a continue pulse
now and
> again.
> 
> On dual-wired units, you can configure the SYNC output to *only*
send either
> MIDI or DIN sync. This should resolve any problem.
> While turning on P3, hold step key 2 to select DIN sync only.
> Or hold step key 3 to select MIDI clock only.
> The setting will be written to EEPROM in the PIC, so should be
recalled even
> after a power cycle.
> Holding step key 1 should restore both MIDI and DIN output - though
for a
> few units this wont be stored in the PIC EEPROM due to a bug (oh,
how I hate
> PIC assembly...).
> If you find that's the case on yours, I can send you an updated PIC.
> In most cases, selecting MIDI or DIN alone should be all you need.
> 
> > HMMM   why dont you just send midi clock   out of the P3 to 
> > the 909?   that 
> > works like a charm :)
> 
> Not on my 909 - early units have known issues with MIDI clock.
> They can often end up out by a tick.
> 
> > i vaguely remember   having the 606 /808's   din out into   
> > the 909s   din 
> > in. . then   using the 909's   midi clock   to   drive the 
> > p3. . it held   
> > togtether. .
> 
> Using the 909 as MIDI clock master works well, but then you don't
have the
> ability to switch between pattern play and edit on the 909 without
stopping.
> With the 909 synced to P3, you can press stop manually on the 909,
select
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> pattern edit, then restart it in time using FUNC+RUN on P3.
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
>

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Din sync problem with Tr-909

2006-02-11 by a

if i remember correctly, there's a mode on the 909 that tells it to start
always back from step 1, or to continue.  Either that, or you need to wack
"stop" before hitting start from the master sequencer (your P3)
 
I remember having this slight problem when I was a 909 user.  It was
receiving master clock from Cubase.....
 
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Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Din sync problem with Tr-909



I have my 909 permanently hooked to the P3 via DIN sync, and never have any
trouble.
I do also have an 808 hooked up to, so maybe that makes a differnce...

In later P3s that have the SYNC socket wired for both MIDI and DIN sync at
the same time, it's possible that the MIDI data signal on pin 5 (which is
the DIN continue pin) could be causing this problem.
This data/continue pin does go low at the as the RUN line goes high, since
it is carrying the start and LSB bits of the MIDI start message, but maybe
the low pulse is too short and the 909 still sees a continue pulse now and
again.

On dual-wired units, you can configure the SYNC output to *only* send either
MIDI or DIN sync. This should resolve any problem.
While turning on P3, hold step key 2 to select DIN sync only.
Or hold step key 3 to select MIDI clock only.
The setting will be written to EEPROM in the PIC, so should be recalled even
after a power cycle.
Holding step key 1 should restore both MIDI and DIN output - though for a
few units this wont be stored in the PIC EEPROM due to a bug (oh, how I hate
PIC assembly...).
If you find that's the case on yours, I can send you an updated PIC.
In most cases, selecting MIDI or DIN alone should be all you need.

> HMMM   why dont you just send midi clock   out of the P3 to 
> the 909?   that 
> works like a charm :)

Not on my 909 - early units have known issues with MIDI clock.
They can often end up out by a tick.

> i vaguely remember   having the 606 /808's   din out into   
> the 909s   din 
> in. . then   using the 909's   midi clock   to   drive the 
> p3. . it held   
> togtether. .

Using the 909 as MIDI clock master works well, but then you don't have the
ability to switch between pattern play and edit on the 909 without stopping.
With the 909 synced to P3, you can press stop manually on the 909, select
pattern edit, then restart it in time using FUNC+RUN on P3.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com





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