Analogue-sequencer

Hi,

Since I bought a Poly Evolver and a P3 at the same time I had a lot of fun making my first 
steps into the P3 world today. I hope all you great people ( been to this board for a month 
or so ) won't be put off from too many stupid newbie questions I will ask from now on.

Thanks for making my studio a better place Collin ... !

Martin

I'm running into midi clock issues, slaving the p3. It appears to be related
to Cubase, since I don't experience the same problems with Numerology and
Bidule. I also don't think that it's p3 related, since I have the same issue
with my Spectralis.

If I have the p3 synced to Cubase, and the Cubase looping, what happens is
that often, but not every time, when the loop is restarted, the sync goes
crazy for some short though very disruptive amount of time, by speeding up.

I can't find any settings in Cubase to fix it, and I'm about ready to ditch
Cubase unless I can find a solution.

There is definitely no midi loop.

Anyway, I'm hoping that maybe someone else has encountered this, and has a
fix.

I don't have sx3 for OSX yet...don't plan to go that route at least until
they release a unibin for it...anyways, I don't know exactly how similar the
low level code is between the PC version and the Mac version, but the first
2 releases of SX3 for the PC had detrimental syncing problems on many
systems....it wasn't until version 3.1.1 that it ran smoothly for me.

Also, another known glitch is a midi timing error that randomly reoccurs
within anything midi based that occurs withing the first 5 bars of
cubase...try starting at 9 or something instead of 0.

btw, have you tried reversing the masters? ie, setting the p3 as the midi
master?

BIV

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Hi,

On 5/26/06, ByronIV <earworm@gmail.com> wrote:

> btw, have you tried reversing the masters? ie, setting the p3 as the midi
> master?


As far as I recall SX3 can't be slaved to a MidiClock source - only to Midi
Timecode.

I had sync problems with SX3 too and now I'm using Ableton Live! almost
exclusively. :)

Sascha


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> I'm running into midi clock issues, slaving the p3. It 
> appears to be related
> to Cubase, since I don't experience the same problems with 
> Numerology and
> Bidule. I also don't think that it's p3 related, since I have 
> the same issue
> with my Spectralis.

There was an update to the P3 sync handling not too long ago that allows P3
to tolerate rapid bursts of clock bytes.
Some PC based sequencers seem to have highly irregular sync transmission.
If you're not on the latest version, it might help.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> I don't have sx3 for OSX yet...don't plan to go that route at least until
> they release a unibin for it...anyways, I don't know exactly how similar the
> low level code is between the PC version and the Mac version, but the first
> 2 releases of SX3 for the PC had detrimental syncing problems on many
> systems....it wasn't until version 3.1.1 that it ran smoothly for me.
> 
> Also, another known glitch is a midi timing error that randomly reoccurs
> within anything midi based that occurs withing the first 5 bars of
> cubase...try starting at 9 or something instead of 0.
> 
> btw, have you tried reversing the masters? ie, setting the p3 as the midi
> master?
> 
> BIV

This is the latest, 3.1.1.944 or something like that...I'll try starting
past measure 5 - I did move everything out, but I think I used measure 4 or
5 to start. Can't remember, but that had no effect.

Yeah - I though of making the p3 the master, but Cubase doesn't sync to midi
clock, amazingly enough.

> Hi,
> 
> On 5/26/06, ByronIV <earworm@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> btw, have you tried reversing the masters? ie, setting the p3 as the midi
>> master?
> 
> 
> As far as I recall SX3 can't be slaved to a MidiClock source - only to Midi
> Timecode.
> 
> I had sync problems with SX3 too and now I'm using Ableton Live! almost
> exclusively. :)
> 
> Sascha
> 
> 


I'm thinking myself of moving to Digital Performer. I found out that I'm
actually registered for version 1.6, and can upgrade for $195.

I sold my Logic Pro because it is actually quite awkward to route multiple
incoming midi streams out to different destinations in Logic.

> 
>> I'm running into midi clock issues, slaving the p3. It
>> appears to be related
>> to Cubase, since I don't experience the same problems with
>> Numerology and
>> Bidule. I also don't think that it's p3 related, since I have
>> the same issue
>> with my Spectralis.
> 
> There was an update to the P3 sync handling not too long ago that allows P3
> to tolerate rapid bursts of clock bytes.
> Some PC based sequencers seem to have highly irregular sync transmission.
> If you're not on the latest version, it might help.
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
> 
> 
I do have 3.1.006...isn't that the latest version?

This is on a mac, actually, and not a pc.


Gene

> I do have 3.1.006...isn't that the latest version?

Yes, there is a sync queue in that build, so multiple clock bytes will be
chased even if they exceed the maximum possible tempo.
 
> This is on a mac, actually, and not a pc.

Aren't they both the same thing now ? ;-)

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> 
>> I do have 3.1.006...isn't that the latest version?
> 
> Yes, there is a sync queue in that build, so multiple clock bytes will be
> chased even if they exceed the maximum possible tempo.

Do you have a clue as to what's happening then - seems to happen at the
beginning of the loop cycle - not every time, but often. Cubase is sending
something that the other sequencers are not...

> I have a question. How do most people use the P3 with 
  > Cubase? I have a notron, and its simple, just plug the Midi 
  > out of the Notron into the Midi in of your soundcard, and you 
  > can control any midi instrument with it. But the P3 sends out 
  > on more than one midi channel. How does one control multiple 
  > instruments at one time with it through Cubase? The only 
  > thing I can think of is to have the P3 synced to cubase, and 
  > then run everything off the P3, but I like recording all my 
  > midi sequences into Cubase and arranging it there.
   
  Any ideas?
   
  thanks

		
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> Do you have a clue as to what's happening then - seems to 
> happen at the
> beginning of the loop cycle - not every time, but often. 
> Cubase is sending
> something that the other sequencers are not...

I can't say for sure what's happening with your particular Cubase...

I originally wrote the sync handling in P3 such that if a new clock byte
arrived before the clock pulse handler had finished preocssing the previous
clock byte, the new byte was ignored, since the implication was that the
incoming tempo was so high that P3 couldn't keep up.
As it turned out, some PC sequencers, Cubase being a major culprit, like to
send clumps of MIDI clock bytes very close together, working on the basis
that the tempo is just some arbitrary average of the rate of clock pulses,
and not defined instantaneously by every single pulse.
Essentially they were allowing huge amounts of tempo jitter.

P3 now queues up clock pulses that come in faster than it can handle them,
on the assumption that the tempo isn't too high, and that the clock pulse
rate will drop to a much lower value sometime soon.
So it works better slaved to Cubase, and other PC sequencers with no regard
for the regularity of MIDI clock.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Zahir Manek wrote:
>   > I have a question. How do most people use the P3 with 
>   > Cubase? I have a notron, and its simple, just plug the Midi 
>   > out of the Notron into the Midi in of your soundcard, and you 
>   > can control any midi instrument with it. But the P3 sends out 
>   > on more than one midi channel. How does one control multiple 
>   > instruments at one time with it through Cubase? 
Set your track channel to "Any"  and Bob's yer uncle. Or aunt.

Paul

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