Analogue-sequencer

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, henry <audio@...> wrote:
>
> Olivier,
> 
> I'd say decide for the P3, here's a quick list:
> 
> - the P3 architecture needs a little if you want to do complex  
> things, but get into using P3 tracks/patterns/banks is done in 
5minutes
> - one can use the P3 easily for simultanious 8 tracks of x0x  
> programming (even more incombination with the patterns)
> - colin improves the P3 OS constantly while the Schaltwerk is a 
dead  
> product
> - its quite easy to use P3 along PC/mac sequencers
> - doepfer stuff isn't that easy to control (I had a MAQ for long  
> time) so you might have a hard time with the schaltwerk and are 
stuck  
> while the P3 still grows in features
> - I need to recapture some P3 features from time to time when 
rarely  
> used
> 
> having a SND analog step sequencer and a P3 I'd have all  
> possibilities of midi and CV controling here (I sold a FutureRetro  
> Mobius and MAQ as they couldn't stand next to P3)
> 
> hope some of my points help for a descision.
> 
> cheers,
> henry

cheers Henry,
thanks for your inputs. 
decision almost done, for a P3 that is. although from Doepfer website 
it seems like Schaltwerk is not dead yet : they plan a new run of 
production this summer (back by popular demand as they put it).

BTW I did not know that SND step sequencer, and it looks f***** 
great :)

Hello to all,

I'm new to this list, so first of all, let me introduce myself I'm an
electronic music fan and composer, I've been producing music for the past 10
years, and had a few commercial releases since then. I've started producing
on an all-hardware based studio in 97, using a Yamaha QX sequencer so I'm a
little bit aware of the specificities of hardware programming... Now I have
a more conventional studio setup based on PC+UAD cards for recording, plus a
restrained but well-loved collection of analogue and digital outboard and
synths.

I'm on the market for hardware sequencer and being a SoS reader I came
across the P3 review this month. I was already aware of the  P3 but in my
mind it was more of a DIY project. I'm glad to see Colin did a great job at
producing them at a more industrial level !!

Then, I was just about to decide for a P3 when I saw an ad for a S/H
Schaltwerk from Doepfer at just � 850 here in France; basically it's just
over the price I'd pay for a brand new P3 delivered to my home... Imagine my
confusion and dilemma.

So big question, what would you choose and why ? (I expect biased answers
from this list but here we go)

PS: I may be answering to my own question here, but here I go with a few of
my own assertions I'd like you to challenge :
1/ I believe the P3 is more feature-packed (the lack of shuffle/swing on the
Schaltwerk is VERY annoying),
2/ yet the P3 is less of a "hands-on" sequencer, as it 'only' has one row of
buttons, two rows of knobs... while the monstruous Schaltwerk has, well, a
lot more (and flashing leds but that's another story). that, potentially,
can make the P3 a more frustrating experience.
3/ the Schaltwerk software architecture is somehow more classic xOx stuff,
giving it a more "immediate" feeling for old-timers like me :
step/tracks/pattern/songs where the P3 seems more obscure at first :
step/pattern/track/part/playlist/bank...

about point 3/ I have a bonus question, maybe you P3 users can answer, do
you get over the P3 "obscure" architecture quickly, I mean if you come
either from a xOx background or from a "cubase/linear programming"
background  ? how anal/intuitive is the programming on the P3 ? do you refer
to the manual often when programming ?

cheers,


Olivier


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Olivier,

I'd say decide for the P3, here's a quick list:

- the P3 architecture needs a little if you want to do complex  
things, but get into using P3 tracks/patterns/banks is done in 5minutes
- one can use the P3 easily for simultanious 8 tracks of x0x  
programming (even more incombination with the patterns)
- colin improves the P3 OS constantly while the Schaltwerk is a dead  
product
- its quite easy to use P3 along PC/mac sequencers
- doepfer stuff isn't that easy to control (I had a MAQ for long  
time) so you might have a hard time with the schaltwerk and are stuck  
while the P3 still grows in features
- I need to recapture some P3 features from time to time when rarely  
used

having a SND analog step sequencer and a P3 I'd have all  
possibilities of midi and CV controling here (I sold a FutureRetro  
Mobius and MAQ as they couldn't stand next to P3)

hope some of my points help for a descision.

cheers,
henry

Am 29.05.2006 um 12:18 schrieb Olivier Tison:

> about point 3/ I have a bonus question, maybe you P3 users can  
> answer, do
> you get over the P3 "obscure" architecture quickly, I mean if you come
> either from a xOx background or from a "cubase/linear programming"
> background  ? how anal/intuitive is the programming on the P3 ? do  
> you refer
> to the manual often when programming ?
>
> cheers,
>
>
> Olivier

best regards,
henry stamerjohann






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Am 29.05.2006 um 13:22 schrieb otison:

> BTW I did not know that SND step sequencer, and it looks f*****
> great :)


it is :-)

best regards,
henry stamerjohann



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otison wrote:
> thanks for your inputs. 
> decision almost done, for a P3 that is. although from Doepfer website 
> it seems like Schaltwerk is not dead yet : they plan a new run of 
> production this summer (back by popular demand as they put it).
>   
Dead in the terms of OS development.  Ask Doepfer when the last OS that 
they released for it.    Doepfer
been ignoring feature requests for it for years... to the point where a 
third party had decided to backwards engineer the OS.
Don't think it ever got released though...

Dave

> Dead in the terms of OS development.  Ask Doepfer when the last OS 
that 
> they released for it.    Doepfer
> been ignoring feature requests for it for years... to the point where 
a 
> third party had decided to backwards engineer the OS.
> Don't think it ever got released though...
> 
> Dave

you made a point. decision made : it will be a P3. 

do you know if there is any lead/build time between ordering from Colin 
and actually receiving the P3 ?