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Gate on P3

2006-05-31 by Zed Velkovich

I think that gate time is to short on P3. I can not run some arp's (e.g. in SX) and I don't have gate off option in gate menu of P3. I know I can tie notes but it's just not the same in the matter of button pressing and sound I hear out of my synthesizers. Not the same. It will be much easier to have gate off setting option available and it is simpler if I just press button 1 and set the gate to off to have sustained note going until next note button is pressed e.g. button no. 6 and so on.
  Fruity Loops has the best gate manipulation also as seq-303, gate is long and it can go to full in just one move.
  I don't understand why is this on P3 like this,when this can be very easy to set?
  Regards,
  Zed
   

		
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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3

2006-05-31 by Colin f

> I think that gate time is to short on P3. I can not run some 
> arp's (e.g. in SX) and I don't have gate off option in gate 
> menu of P3. I know I can tie notes but it's just not the same 
> in the matter of button pressing and sound I hear out of my 
> synthesizers. Not the same. It will be much easier to have 
> gate off setting option available and it is simpler if I just 
> press button 1 and set the gate to off to have sustained note 
> going until next note button is pressed e.g. button no. 6 and so on.
>   Fruity Loops has the best gate manipulation also as 
> seq-303, gate is long and it can go to full in just one move.
>   I don't understand why is this on P3 like this,when this 
> can be very easy to set?

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're asking for here.
A simpler way of tying multiple steps together, with the same note on each
step ?

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3

2006-05-31 by Zed Velkovich

1-12 gate lenght is too short. It should be 1-full. If lenght set to full, note last until next note without overlap.

Colin f <colin@colinfraser.com> wrote:  
> I think that gate time is to short on P3. I can not run some 
> arp's (e.g. in SX) and I don't have gate off option in gate 
> menu of P3. I know I can tie notes but it's just not the same 
> in the matter of button pressing and sound I hear out of my 
> synthesizers. Not the same. It will be much easier to have 
> gate off setting option available and it is simpler if I just 
> press button 1 and set the gate to off to have sustained note 
> going until next note button is pressed e.g. button no. 6 and so on.
>   Fruity Loops has the best gate manipulation also as 
> seq-303, gate is long and it can go to full in just one move.
>   I don't understand why is this on P3 like this,when this 
> can be very easy to set?

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're asking for here.
A simpler way of tying multiple steps together, with the same note on each
step ?

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com




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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3

2006-05-31 by Colin f

> 1-12 gate lenght is too short. It should be 1-full. If lenght 
> set to full, note last until next note without overlap.

I see.
The way the pattern data is stored, there are only 4 bits for the length
value on each step.
So the maximum possible range is 1 to 16.
Without reducing the number of patterns, length can't be any longer.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3

2006-05-31 by Zed Velkovich

So, P3 can not do tenuto?

Colin f <colin@colinfraser.com> wrote:  
> 1-12 gate lenght is too short. It should be 1-full. If lenght 
> set to full, note last until next note without overlap.

I see.
The way the pattern data is stored, there are only 4 bits for the length
value on each step.
So the maximum possible range is 1 to 16.
Without reducing the number of patterns, length can't be any longer.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3

2006-05-31 by Colin f

> So, P3 can not do tenuto?

Having thought about it more, it probably can.
The sequence engine uses a byte to hold the length of a note in clock ticks.
I could add a gate LENGTH setting of 'hold' above 12, which would set the
note length to the maximum possible number of ticks.
That way the note should hold until another note plays, or the step comes
round again, unless you use a particularly slow tbase.
It would only need one extra value of the possible 16, rather than having to
hold a numerical value for length.

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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3

2006-06-01 by Zed Velkovich

I think hold will do the trick. On seq-303 notes overlap slightly when gate slider is set to maximum, for monophonic synths and you get really cool effects with just that, off course with regard of time base settings.
Would you add this cool feature that all sequencers have?
   
  Thanks,
  Zed.
Colin f <colin@colinfraser.com> wrote: 
  
> So, P3 can not do tenuto?

Having thought about it more, it probably can.
The sequence engine uses a byte to hold the length of a note in clock ticks.
I could add a gate LENGTH setting of 'hold' above 12, which would set the
note length to the maximum possible number of ticks.
That way the note should hold until another note plays, or the step comes
round again, unless you use a particularly slow tbase.
It would only need one extra value of the possible 16, rather than having to
hold a numerical value for length.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
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Re: Gate on P3

2006-06-02 by Tommy

Just thought i'd add my 2 cents and say the idea of a gate length setting of hold would be 
great. a welcome addition.

Tommy
 

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> I think hold will do the trick. On seq-303 notes overlap slightly when gate slider is set to 
maximum, for monophonic synths and you get really cool effects with just that, off course 
with regard of time base settings.
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> Would you add this cool feature that all sequencers have?
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>   Thanks,
>   Zed.
> Colin f <colin@...> wrote: 
>   
> > So, P3 can not do tenuto?
> 
> Having thought about it more, it probably can.
> The sequence engine uses a byte to hold the length of a note in clock ticks.
> I could add a gate LENGTH setting of 'hold' above 12, which would set the
> note length to the maximum possible number of ticks.
> That way the note should hold until another note plays, or the step comes
> round again, unless you use a particularly slow tbase.
> It would only need one extra value of the possible 16, rather than having to
> hold a numerical value for length.
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
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Something for the weekend...

2006-06-02 by Colin f

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> [mailto:analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zed Velkovich
> Sent: 01 June 2006 10:21
> To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Gate on P3
> 
> I think hold will do the trick. On seq-303 notes overlap 
> slightly when gate slider is set to maximum, for monophonic 
> synths and you get really cool effects with just that, off 
> course with regard of time base settings.
> Would you add this cool feature that all sequencers have?

On P3 the TIE function makes different note values overlap - designed mainly
for legato slide triggering on monosynths.

I have made a test build of the P3 code, with the range of LENGTH extended
to 13.
A length value of 13 means 'drone', or 'hold note until the next active
step'.
So if you set a note on step 1 and set the length to 13, then have no other
steps active in the pattern, the note will play for the whole length of the
pattern, and retrigger when step 1 comes around again.
If you enable TIE with a length of 13, the note will be held permanently.

This may well not be the final implementation of this feature - if you set a
step to length 13 so that it drones, than change to a pattern with no active
steps, or turn off all active steps in your current pattern while editing,
then the droning note will hold until another active step occurs.
It may need to be changed so that droning notes are killed when the pattern
changes, etc.
The test build is uploaded to Yahoo files as p3fw-3.1.007b2.syx and .mid
Give it a try and let me know what you think.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Something for the weekend...

2006-06-02 by Zed Velkovich

"Something for the weekend..."?
   
  Drone (music)    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  
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  In music, a drone is a harmonic or monophonic effect or accompaniment where a note or chord is continuously sounded throughout much or all of a piece, sustained or repeated, and most often establishing a tonality upon which the rest of the piece is built. The systematic (not occasional) use of drones originated in Ancient Southwest Asia and was spread north and west to Europe, east to India, and south to Africa (van der Merwe 1989, p.11).
  Similarly, a drone is the name of a part of a musical instrument intended to produce such a sustained pitch, generally without the ongoing attention of the player. A sitar features three or four resonating drone strings and Indian sargam is practiced to a drone. Bagpipes (particularly the Scottish Great Highland Bagpipe) feature a number of drone pipes, giving the instrument its characteristic sound. The fifth string on a five-string bluegrass banjo is a drone string with a separate tuning peg that places the end of the string five frets down the neck of the instrument; this string is usually tuned to the same note as that which the first string produces when played at the fifth fret, and the drone string is seldom fretted when playing bluegrass. The bass strings of Slovenian instrument drone zither also freely resonate as a drone.
  Composers of classical music occasionally used a drone (especially one on open fifths) to evoke a rustic or archaic atmosphere, perhaps Scottish or other early or folk music. Examples include:
    
   Haydn, Symphony No. 104, "London", opening of finale, accompanying a folk melody   
   Beethoven, Symphony No. 6, "Pastoral", opening and trio section of scherzo   
   Berlioz, Harold in Italy, accompanying oboes as they imitate the piffari of Italian peasants   
   Bartók, in his adaptations for piano of Hungarian and other folk music 
  However, drones are less often used in common practice classical music because the longer and more central a drone the less functional it is and because equal temperament causes slight mistunings which become more apparent over a drone, especially when also sustained. On the other hand, drones may be purposely dissonant, as often in the music of Phill Niblock. The best known drone piece in the concert repertory is the Prelude to Wagner's Rheingold (1854) wherein the bass instruments sustain an Eb throughout the entire movement (Erickson 1975, p.94). Later drone pieces include Loren Rush's Hard Music (1970), Folke Rabe's Was?? (1968), and Robert Erickson's Down at Piraeus.
  Contemporary classical musicians who make prominent use of drones, often with just or other non-equal tempered tunings, include La Monte Young and many of his students, David First, the band Coil, Pauline Oliveros and Stuart Dempster, Alvin Lucier (Music On A Long Thin Wire), Ellen Fullman, and Arnold Dreyblatt. The music of Italian composer Giacinto Scelsi is essentially drone-based. Shorter drones or the general concept of a continuous element are often used by many other composers.
  A drone differs from a pedal tone or point in degree or quality. A pedal point may be a form of nonchord tone and thus required to resolve unlike a drone, or a pedal point may simply be considered a shorter drone, a drone being a longer pedal point.
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  See also    
   Dronology or "drone music" or "drone": a post-classical popular music genre with heavy emphasis on the drone harmonic effect   
   Drone doom is a form of heavy metal music with simplistic song structures focusing almost entirely on droning, heavily downtuned electric guitar and bass guitar, often lacking vocals or drums. Songs often reach or greatly exceed ten minutes in length. 
  [edit]
  
  Source    
   Erickson, Robert (1975). Sound Structure in Music. University of California Press. ISBN 0520023765.   
   van der Merwe, Peter (1989). Origins of the Popular Style: The Antecedents of Twentieth-Century Popular Music. Oxford: Clarendon Press. ISBN 0193161214. 
  Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_%28music%29"


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Re: [analogue-sequencer] Something for the weekend...

2006-06-02 by Zed Velkovich

Fantastic! Just one thing, LENGHT 13 sends drone to ch.1 from all other chanells??
  
Colin f <colin@colinfraser.com> wrote:
  
The test build is uploaded to Yahoo files as p3fw-3.1.007b2.syx and .mid
Give it a try and let me know what you think.
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Re: [analogue-sequencer] Something for the weekend...

2006-06-03 by Zed Velkovich

Is it possible to save in user configuration gate length preference?
    

This may well not be the final implementation of this feature - if you set a
step to length 13 so that it drones,

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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Something for the weekend...

2006-06-03 by Colin f

> Fantastic! Just one thing, LENGHT 13 sends drone to ch.1 from 
> all other chanells??

It doesn't do that here...

> Is it possible to save in user configuration gate length preference?
  
You mean to be able to set a default length for an erased pattern ?
Could be useful.
I'll add it to the wish list.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

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