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Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-25 by Renegade Rhythms Corporation

Hi,
  I have a feature request that I would like to know if you can put
into the P3 among some of the others that I have sent to you already.

You have already implemented into the OS, the Func+Run ability
to restart Din Sync devices that have been stopped manually.

But I would like to know if you can add a feature that will stop the 
Din Sync device as well.  So that we can have the ability to 
stop the device, switch modes/program offline, & then use your
Func + Run feature to restart it in sync on the next bar...

I had thought Func + Stop might be useful since you already have
Func + Run to start the Din Sync, but it looks like we use that for
the safestop feature. 

Maybe we can use StepMode + Stop to 
stop the Din Sync devices?


Thanks!

Dave

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-26 by Paul Nagle

Renegade Rhythms Corporation wrote:
> But I would like to know if you can add a feature that will stop the 
> Din Sync device as well.  So that we can have the ability to 
> stop the device, switch modes/program offline, & then use your
> Func + Run feature to restart it in sync on the next bar...
>   
Does your Din Sync device not have a stop button of its own? I do this 
sort of thing all the time with my electribes - I stop them manually at 
any point I like. Perhaps I select a new patch, mute some voices, 
whatever and then, when ready, I hit Run on the P3 which sends a Start 
at the beginning of the next global bar.

If you do need the P3 to send the stop command you *can* already do it - 
there's an aux event that gives you full control of MIDI 
start/stop/continue commands. This is a very cool way to send start/stop 
on, for example, alternate beats and "stagger" a drum machine in ways 
that I don't think can be matched by any other hardware sequencer (I 
could be wrong of course). You could use Knob mask events to "reveal" 
these MIDI clock aux events and so set up some complex performance 
things that really mess with your drum machine's mind. I must admit I've 
only used them for MIDI devices though and not Din sync stuff but the 
results can sound anything from constantly restarting the first beat to 
stepping the drum machine manually at half speed (using Stop/Continue) 
then suddenly allowing it to wake up properly. Lots of potential for fun.

Give it a try, could be what you need,

regards,
Paul


          
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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-26 by Colin Fraser

> But I would like to know if you can add a feature that will stop the 
> Din Sync device as well.  So that we can have the ability to 
> stop the device, switch modes/program offline, & then use your
> Func + Run feature to restart it in sync on the next bar...

That would have been implemented by now if I hadn't sold my 808...
(I decided I preferred the sound of my homebuilt 808 clone to the real thing
- less noisy, and more flexible ;-))
I still use my 909 synced to DIN sync, but it can be manually stopped on the
panel, and restarted with FUNC+RUN.
I don't want to use STEP MODE+STOP for it, but I'll fit it in somehow,
possibly on FUNC+MCLK (the softkey).

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-26 by acidmitch

> But I would like to know if you can add a feature that will stop the 
> Din Sync device as well.  So that we can have the ability to 
> stop the device, switch modes/program offline, & then use your
> Func + Run feature to restart it in sync on the next bar...
> 

Why not just hit the stop button on the slave device ?
I do it all the time and it's fine.

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-27 by DB

Hi Paul,

See Inline:

Paul Nagle wrote:
>
> Renegade Rhythms Corporation wrote:
> > But I would like to know if you can add a feature that will stop the
> > Din Sync device as well. So that we can have the ability to
> > stop the device, switch modes/program offline, & then use your
> > Func + Run feature to restart it in sync on the next bar...
> >
> Does your Din Sync device not have a stop button of its own?
>






  Well neither my 606 or 808 will stop when in slave mode, unless the 
master clock
stops.  Don't know if it's issues with both of my devices or just how 
they work,but
they've been that way for the 13 years that I've had them :)   So that 
was my reason for doing it.  
There's a limited edition device on the market called Sync2 
(http://home.netspeed.com.au/aistorm/sync2.html)
that does just what I'm asking, but since my 808's plugged into P3, I 
was hoping that I could gain
that functionality.  Since we can already get it to start up. I think 
what I currently have to do, is yank the
din sync cable while the master clock is running.

So I don't know if it's something for him to easily provide with little 
code, but it's something that I think would be really useful.
If he want to implement it through and aux like you've indicated below, 
then go for it :) but a simple StepMode + Stop would do for me.



> I do this
> sort of thing all the time with my electribes - I stop them manually at
> any point I like. Perhaps I select a new patch, mute some voices,
> whatever and then, when ready, I hit Run on the P3 which sends a Start
> at the beginning of the next global bar.
>





That's good to know since I plan on grabbing a ESX-1 for when I don't 
want to bring out the 808.



>
> If you do need the P3 to send the stop command you *can* already do it -
> there's an aux event that gives you full control of MIDI
> start/stop/continue commands. This is a very cool way to send start/stop
> on, for example, alternate beats and "stagger" a drum machine in ways
> that I don't think can be matched by any other hardware sequencer (I
> could be wrong of course). You could use Knob mask events to "reveal"
> these MIDI clock aux events and so set up some complex performance
> things that really mess with your drum machine's mind. I must admit I've
> only used them for MIDI devices though and not Din sync stuff but the
> results can sound anything from constantly restarting the first beat to
> stepping the drum machine manually at half speed (using Stop/Continue)
> then suddenly allowing it to wake up properly. Lots of potential for fun.
>
> Give it a try, could be what you need,
>















This does indeed sound cool!   I havne't tried it out.  It also might 
give me enough time to
quickly switch to Write mode on the 808 during one of the stops... :)  
I''ll give it a go
tonight...


Dave
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Re: Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-27 by sequentix

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, DB <dave@...> wrote:

>   Well neither my 606 or 808 will stop when in slave mode, unless 
the 
> master clock
> stops.

They cant. It's not the CPU that generates the internal clock in a 
303/606/808 - there's a separate clock circuit with RUN flip-flop.
The DIN socket interrupts these signals.

> This does indeed sound cool!   I havne't tried it out.  It also 
might 
> give me enough time to
> quickly switch to Write mode on the 808 during one of the 
stops... :)  

You need to be careful not to switch to between play and write modes 
on an 808 while it's running - it can cause spurious pattern 
selection changes, and other oddness.
The 808 sequencer is just a bit too limited for my taste, hence my 
decision to return to my clone.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-27 by Paul Nagle

DB wrote:
>   Well neither my 606 or 808 will stop when in slave mode, unless the 
> master clock
> stops.  Don't know if it's issues with both of my devices or just how 
> they work,but
> they've been that way for the 13 years that I've had them :)   So that 
> was my reason for doing it.  
>   

Ah, apologies. It's been a long time since I had a DIN sync device 
connected. My wife says it's just like me to raise people's hopes then 
dash them...

> So I don't know if it's something for him to easily provide with little 
> code, but it's something that I think would be really useful.
> If he want to implement it through and aux like you've indicated below, 
> then go for it :) but a simple StepMode + Stop would do for me.
>   

Having come to know Colin pretty well, I don't think *anything* is 
beyond his skills - assuming there's codespace left and it's actually 
possible.  I guess it comes down to priorities - but I know Colin likes 
his Sync24 devices too. ;)


>
>
> That's good to know since I plan on grabbing a ESX-1 for when I don't 
> want to bring out the 808.
>   

The ESX is pretty darn useful. I can't think of a drum machine I'd 
rather have, although there are aspects of the Machinedrum that I like 
better (e.g. its Song Mode which rocks!).


> This does indeed sound cool!   I havne't tried it out.  It also might 
> give me enough time to
> quickly switch to Write mode on the 808 during one of the stops... :)  
> I''ll give it a go
> tonight...
>   

With your comments about DIN above, I'm now not sure this will help... 
sorry. My wife is very wise.

Paul



            
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Re: Feature Request: StepMode + Stop = Stop Din Sync while P3 is running

2007-01-29 by josh

> Why not just hit the stop button on the slave device ?
> I do it all the time and it's fine.
>

(I think this had just been addressed)
It doesn't work for all DIN machines. I can verify that my 606 will
not stop itself if in slave, and would really quite appreciate if
Colin did implement this feature, as it sounds like he may.
(my 2 cents)
-josh

Paul's Octopus review in SOS

2007-02-18 by Gene Schwartz

I just got my Octopus on Friday, and I¹ve spent the last couple of days
alternately in total awe, and stewing in frustration. There is definitely a
learning curve there.

Paul¹s review really captures the experience, I think. Great review. If
anyone is interested, it¹s online, but you have to search for ŒOctopus¹
since the new issue isn¹t up yet. (And you probably need an online
subscription).

Btw ­ in no way is this a replacement for a p3. It is totally different in
approach, and really has nothing like the p3 aux events. I am quite glad
that I have both.

I do agree with one of Paul¹s criticisms, and I wonder whether I¹ll change
my mind after a few weeks of use ­ I can¹t see but that a display along the
top above the matrix would really have made it much easier to work with. But
maybe the lack of a display actually facilitates its use as an instrument
once one is comfortable with its functionality and keystrokes? I can¹t
comment on that yet.


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Re: [analogue-sequencer] Paul's Octopus review in SOS

2007-02-18 by Jesse

Man I would love to read the rest of the review!!!

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar07/articles/octopus.htm
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  Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Paul's Octopus review in SOS


  I just got my Octopus on Friday, and I¹ve spent the last couple of days
  alternately in total awe, and stewing in frustration. There is definitely a
  learning curve there.

  Paul¹s review really captures the experience, I think. Great review. If
  anyone is interested, it¹s online, but you have to search for OOctopus¹
  since the new issue isn¹t up yet. (And you probably need an online
  subscription).

  Btw ­ in no way is this a replacement for a p3. It is totally different in
  approach, and really has nothing like the p3 aux events. I am quite glad
  that I have both.

  I do agree with one of Paul¹s criticisms, and I wonder whether I¹ll change
  my mind after a few weeks of use ­ I can¹t see but that a display along the
  top above the matrix would really have made it much easier to work with. But
  maybe the lack of a display actually facilitates its use as an instrument
  once one is comfortable with its functionality and keystrokes? I can¹t
  comment on that yet.

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Re: Paul's Octopus review in SOS

2007-02-22 by ferrograph632

I'm afraid I'm partly responsible for taking up mr nagle's valuable
time with the octopus over the last few weeks; I suggested to it's
makers that he would be the best person to get it into SoS, & he was
as good as his word in giving the thing a good thrashing.
thing is, there are so many things changing within the octopus- a lot
like the p3, in the sense that extra functionality & operational
alterations are driven by a hard core of users... (hello tom!)
 
paul's review will give people an idea of the experience of using the
thing, but not all of the current thinking was available to him in the
test machine.

the main point that comes across is that the octopus lives or dies on
how well the user can manage without the comfort-factor of having
everything spelled out in a nice display. 
paul, for one, may have found a display helpful. this is where he & I
differ; I can actually manage the octopus better without a display,
since I treat it as a physical instrument. I would find a display as
distracting on the octopus as on a fender precision bass.

one typically arrives at a basic configuration, pre-populating the
pages with one's personal tweaks, & then it's down to the matter of
dropping notes in, either by pressing the excellent buttons or
recording a keyboard. it is a hugely tactile experience- there's no
getting away from that. it will strike people as being similar to the
mighty notron- in some ways, using it is similar, in that one uses
both hands & no display, & it becomes a physical experience. but it
goes so much deeper than the notron could hope to, & it's actually
built properly. I mean gerard & dave no offense, but the notron feels
cheap next to the octopus. I stopped using mine after it started to
disintegrate after maybe ten gigs. the octopus will outlive me.

by way of a more local comparison, & even to try that is a stretch,
the p3 is a machine for considered data-entry, even when one is
designing patterns that morph or interact. the display is essential
simply because the control surface is so much more compact, & conceals
a far greater deal of complex functionality. the octopus is less
flexible in some areas, but somewhat more powerful in others. it is
slowly emerging (here at northern echo-south, anyway) that the two
complement each other... more on this after I've had more time to work
with them together. & tom will chip in too, I'm sure.

& if you get bored listening to what it's playing, turn it down &
watch the lightshow! :-)

duncan/r.m.i

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: Paul's Octopus review in SOS

2007-02-22 by Paul Nagle

ferrograph632 wrote:

> & if you get bored listening to what it's playing, turn it down &
> watch the lightshow! :-)

I did ask them to make sure the photographer did a shot in the dark. Hey 
ho...
Lovely instrument though - if I had room (in terms of physical space and 
headspace) I'd surely have treated myself to one. I can see why you're 
in love!

-- 
Paul
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Octopus

2007-02-22 by Jesse

Any yahoo groups or some sort of message board dedicated to the Octopus?

Curious what new features Ocopus users are askign for,....

-JC

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