Analogue-sequencer

duh.....

ok. Obviously. I should start with track 8 and work my way backwards I think, since otherwise I'm always thinking in the wrong order. I did know that the push only sends the value, but since stuff was happening, I spaced on the numerical order thing. It's funny - I never used to use push - I always used grab, until it occurred to me that you can do stuff with push that you can't (at least not easily - there's usually SOME way to do practically anything on the p3) with grab. Then I just forgot about this consideration.

If I understand you correctly below, you didn't address the issue that the push command also seemed to push the events on auxes 3 and 4, or at least attempt to. Or maybe you did, but I didn't understand it.

Is there any way to reverse the order of the tracks? 1 to 8, 2 to 7, 3 to 6, etc, in a timely fashion? I'm at work, and bad at abstracting this stuff, but I have stuff in all of the tracks, so if I wanted to swap a pair or two, that becomes a little awkward, I think? 

No biggie though - this was mostly a 'mess with new synth' sequence anyways...

btw - I haven't responded to the new memory post you made yet since I've always spent all of my money, and don't want to commit to this and then not have the money when they are available. Do you have a time frame on it? will this be installable by someone who is rather incompetent at hardware diy stuff?

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From: "Colin Fraser" <colin@sequentix.com>
> Hi Gene, 
> 
> > I�m sure that as soon as I ask this I�ll figure out that I�m 
> > overlooking
> > something simple, but I�m puzzled right now.
> 
> You were overlooking something simple - a bug ;-)
> Well, mostly.
> 
> When you use the push, swap or grab events, you need to remember two things
> - the tracks are processed in numerical order, and push/swap/grab only
> changes the values, not the aux assignments (though you maybe knew that
> already)
> 
> So when you were pushing a value for aux B from track 6 to track 1, it was
> already too late - track 1's events had been processed, so the change of
> value made by the event on track 6 should have not had any effect.
> The bug (which has probably been around for a long time...) is that the
> change of value did have an effect - it fooled the CC generating code into
> thinking there was a valid CC value in aux B on track 1.
> There's an enable bit in the value for an aux on a given step that is
> cleared when the event assigned to that aux is processed.
> If the active bit is still set once event handling is complete, the value is
> treated as a CC instead.
> The 'push' of the value from a later track was making the value for the step
> in track 1 active again after it had been cleared when the event was
> processed, so it was treated as a CC.
> Internally, 'xpose by track n' is event number 24, which is where CC #24
> came from.
> I'll look at fixing this, though it shouldn't really be a problem, since
> pushing/grabbing/swapping from a higher track number does not have any
> effect.
> 
> Best regards,
> Colin Fraser
> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
> http://www.sequentix.com
> 
> 
> 




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> If I understand you correctly below, you didn't address the 
> issue that the push command also seemed to push the events on 
> auxes 3 and 4, or at least attempt to. Or maybe you did, but 
> I didn't understand it.

I forgot to look into that - will check it today.
 
> Is there any way to reverse the order of the tracks? 1 to 8, 
> 2 to 7, 3 to 6, etc, in a timely fashion? I'm at work, and 
> bad at abstracting this stuff, but I have stuff in all of the 
> tracks, so if I wanted to swap a pair or two, that becomes a 
> little awkward, I think? 

There wasn't under v3, but in v4, you can swap patterns between two tracks
if you have a spare pattern space somewhere to use as a temporary store.
Say you want to swap part 1 track 1 and part 1 track 2, and part 1 track 8
is empty:
Edit part 1 track 1, then save to part 1 track 8 as new.
Edit part 1 track 2, then save to part 1 track 1 as new.
Edit part 1 track 8, then save to part 1 track 2 as new.
Then you can delete part 1 track 8 - or at least you can once I upload the
next beta.

> btw - I haven't responded to the new memory post you made yet 
> since I've always spent all of my money, and don't want to 
> commit to this and then not have the money when they are 
> available. Do you have a time frame on it? will this be 
> installable by someone who is rather incompetent at hardware 
> diy stuff?

I'm still plying with the PCB layout to get it as small as possible, and
potentially one sided - it doesn't suit flow soldering the way it is at the
moment. So it'll be a week or two at least yet.
I'll do a little youtube video of installation, so you can judge for
yourself whether it looks hard.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> 
>  
>> > Is there any way to reverse the order of the tracks? 1 to 8,
>> > 2 to 7, 3 to 6, etc, in a timely fashion? I'm at work, and
>> > bad at abstracting this stuff, but I have stuff in all of the
>> > tracks, so if I wanted to swap a pair or two, that becomes a
>> > little awkward, I think?
> 
> ³There wasn't under v3, but in v4, you can swap patterns between two tracks
> if you have a spare pattern space somewhere to use as a temporary store.
> Say you want to swap part 1 track 1 and part 1 track 2, and part 1 track 8
> is empty:
> Edit part 1 track 1, then save to part 1 track 8 as new.
> Edit part 1 track 2, then save to part 1 track 1 as new.
> Edit part 1 track 8, then save to part 1 track 2 as new.
> Then you can delete part 1 track 8 - or at least you can once I upload the
> next beta.²
> 
> I decided to take the easy route and delete the whole bank.....
> 
> I hadn¹t used the p3 much in awhile and I wanted to mess with my new synth 2
> (there are some issues with the midi controller implementation, but it¹s still
> a nice synth), so it was just testing out stuff, feeling out the p3 again, etc
> anyway.
> 
> From what you say above, and what I know about v4, I guess I could paste into
> some extra space in the tracks, but that seems like more trouble than it¹s
> worth for a Œjust messing around¹ piece. And it wouldn¹t make any sense to
> implement something like that just for people who forget about track order
> processing....things are working so much better now, working back from track 8
> to track 1. And I have that Œwarm glow¹ from thinking that I have discovered
> something :)
> 
>> > btw - I haven't responded to the new memory post you made yet
>> > since I've always spent all of my money, and don't want to
>> > commit to this and then not have the money when they are
>> > available. Do you have a time frame on it? will this be
>> > installable by someone who is rather incompetent at hardware
>> > diy stuff?
> 
> ³I'm still plying with the PCB layout to get it as small as possible, and
> potentially one sided - it doesn't suit flow soldering the way it is at the
> moment. So it'll be a week or two at least yet.
> I'll do a little youtube video of installation, so you can judge for
> yourself whether it looks hard.²
> 
> Excellent.



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OK that was impossible to distinguish who wrote what.

On 6/22/07, Gene Schwartz <implode7@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>   >
> >
> >> > Is there any way to reverse the order of the tracks? 1 to 8,
> >> > 2 to 7, 3 to 6, etc, in a timely fashion? I'm at work, and
> >> > bad at abstracting this stuff, but I have stuff in all of the
> >> > tracks, so if I wanted to swap a pair or two, that becomes a
> >> > little awkward, I think?
> >
> > �There wasn't under v3, but in v4, you can swap patterns between two
> tracks
> > if you have a spare pattern space somewhere to use as a temporary store.
> > Say you want to swap part 1 track 1 and part 1 track 2, and part 1 track
> 8
> > is empty:
> > Edit part 1 track 1, then save to part 1 track 8 as new.
> > Edit part 1 track 2, then save to part 1 track 1 as new.
> > Edit part 1 track 8, then save to part 1 track 2 as new.
> > Then you can delete part 1 track 8 - or at least you can once I upload
> the
> > next beta.�
> >
> > I decided to take the easy route and delete the whole bank.....
> >
> > I hadn�t used the p3 much in awhile and I wanted to mess with my new
> synth 2
> > (there are some issues with the midi controller implementation, but it�s
> still
> > a nice synth), so it was just testing out stuff, feeling out the p3
> again, etc
> > anyway.
> >
> > From what you say above, and what I know about v4, I guess I could paste
> into
> > some extra space in the tracks, but that seems like more trouble than
> it�s
> > worth for a �just messing around� piece. And it wouldn�t make any sense
> to
> > implement something like that just for people who forget about track
> order
> > processing....things are working so much better now, working back from
> track 8
> > to track 1. And I have that �warm glow� from thinking that I have
> discovered
> > something :)
> >
> >> > btw - I haven't responded to the new memory post you made yet
> >> > since I've always spent all of my money, and don't want to
> >> > commit to this and then not have the money when they are
> >> > available. Do you have a time frame on it? will this be
> >> > installable by someone who is rather incompetent at hardware
> >> > diy stuff?
> >
> > �I'm still plying with the PCB layout to get it as small as possible,
> and
> > potentially one sided - it doesn't suit flow soldering the way it is at
> the
> > moment. So it'll be a week or two at least yet.
> > I'll do a little youtube video of installation, so you can judge for
> > yourself whether it looks hard.�
> >
> > Excellent.
>
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>
>  
>



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