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A new sequencer but too expensiv.

http://www.manikin-electronic.de

Hi,

> A new sequencer but too expensiv.
> http://www.manikin-electronic.de

yep, had a play with it in frankfurt.
I've no idea how much they're asking, but when I last spoke with the
creators, they asked how much I would pay, I said around 700euro, max, they
said they couldn't even buy the bits for that!
They were aiming for around 1400 Euro, which is too much IMHO.
Also, an important note, its note as easy to navigate as colins, and you
can't do certain things whilst in edit mode ,like change pattern!!.
That said, I assume this was an early version of the software...
Colins P3 rocks, its smaller, cheaper and far more powerfull (IMHO) that
this one...

All I need now is a drum sequencer to match!

Paul

hi there,
> yep, had a play with it in frankfurt.
> I've no idea how much they're asking

while we're on the subject, i came across Infection Instruments' 
website today;
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instrumentindex.html
they're also doing several midi-/analogue sequencers, and thank both 
you and Paul Nagle for contributions on their about page..

things look interesting but also rather overpriced when compared to a 
P3. the site also appears to be kind of out of date.  

grtz Chiel

Cheil,

> while we're on the subject, i came across Infection Instruments'
> website today;
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instrumentindex.html
> they're also doing several midi-/analogue sequencers, and thank both
> you and Paul Nagle for contributions on their about page..

:-)
Try the newer one ;-
http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html

> things look interesting but also rather overpriced when compared to a
> P3. the site also appears to be kind of out of date.

Its a different beasty all together.. There are NO menus/pages, everything
is directly accesible from the front panel.
I know Dave is taking this week off, but is not far off having a complete
unit ready to show, I can't wait to see it, its big, very big and also looks
stunning.
It has some features the P3 doesn't (LFOs for example, Midi FX, and more
tricks dave is keeping quiet about), but it is more expensive. But with that
said, its aimed at a different market, its aimed at the pro-musician market.
I would love one, and once dave has his beta unit built I'm planning to
visit and have a good play.
Dave is a perfectionist, and although I know the software runs, he's not
110% happy with it yet, Im sure it will be available soon and promises to be
a superb sequencer!
And yes, I do have a vested interest, I designed the CPU board used inside
and also the MIDI updateable firmware part for it, but I still want one :-)

Paul

> Cheil,

:D i guess you don't know what 'geil' means in dutch..

> Try the newer one ;-
> http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html

o cool. that one has pictures that actually show up...and i do 
believe i spotted a P3 on the 'Synth DIY 2003' page..shame it's kinda 
hidden behind a bunch of weirdo's though. ;)

about the sequencer; it does look big..come to think of it, it kind 
of looks like a hip version of a Doepfer Schaltwerk. pretty much out 
of my league price-wise but interesting stuff none the less. i'd be 
interested to hear your 'review' and a perhaps a comparison to (sort-
of) alike machines when you've had a go...

grtz Chiel

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Maddox" 
<Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:
> All I need now is a drum sequencer to match!
> 
I bought myself a MAM SQ16 in a fit of desperation a few weeks ago 
and it's a mighty fine drum sequencer.  It can do pretty much 
everything except send patch changes and controllers, which is fine 
by me because i'd rather deal with all that stuff on the synth 
itself and leave the sequencer just for sequencing.  You can change 
patterns on the fly, mute tracks, have different drum setups for 
each pattern (which ultimately is similar to changing patches 
anyway)... and it has some really groovy stuff like accents that 
create MIDI delay instead of just velocity spikes, weird rotating 
pattern effects, all kinds of things.

It's two main failings are 1) no swing and 2) no tempo knob (inc/dec 
buttons instead).  Number two is manageable, and with a bit of 
creative patch programming on my drum source (E-mu XL-1) i can set 
accented hihats to be delayed, so that handles swing nicely.  For 
the price you really can't go wrong.

Alison

Cheil,

> o cool. that one has pictures that actually show up...and i do
> believe i spotted a P3 on the 'Synth DIY 2003' page..shame it's kinda
> hidden behind a bunch of weirdo's though. ;)

hehe, try the full SynthDIY page ;-
http://www.modulus.synth.net/synthdiy/synthdiy_2003.htm

> about the sequencer; it does look big..come to think of it, it kind  of
> looks like a hip version of a Doepfer Schaltwerk. pretty much out  of
> my league price-wise but interesting stuff none the less. i'd be
> interested to hear your 'review' and a perhaps a comparison to (sort-
> of) alike machines when you've had a go...

yeah, I will let you guys know when I've played with it.
Its far far more than schaltwerk :-)

Paul

Alison,

> I bought myself a MAM SQ16 in a fit of desperation a few weeks ago  and
> it's a mighty fine drum sequencer.

looks nice, though Id rather have a desktop style thing, in the same case
as my P3, so I have a matched pair..

> It can do pretty much
> everything except send patch changes and controllers, which is fine  by
> me because i'd rather deal with all that stuff on the synth
> itself and leave the sequencer just for sequencing.

I dunno, being able to send at least one controller per track would add a
lot of 'expressiveness' to the pattern.

> You can change
> patterns on the fly, mute tracks

though I notice you can get get the odd held note if you do this
(according to one webpage)

>, have different drum setups for
> each pattern (which ultimately is similar to changing patches
> anyway)... and it has some really groovy stuff like accents that
> create MIDI delay instead of just velocity spikes, weird rotating
> pattern effects, all kinds of things.

that sounds good.. might have to look into it some more.
Do you have a URL for their homepage?

> It's two main failings are 1) no swing and 2) no tempo knob (inc/dec
> buttons instead).  Number two is manageable, and with a bit of
> creative patch programming on my drum source (E-mu XL-1) i can set
> accented hihats to be delayed, so that handles swing nicely.  For  the
> price you really can't go wrong.

I'm not fussed about swing, and tempo, well that doesn't matter as it will
probably be synced to colins P3.

Paul

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hi,
> I bought myself a MAM SQ16 in a fit of desperation a few weeks ago

i had a good hard look at this one myself, and a friend of mine has 
one; his comment was that it's good because it's an analog-style 
sequencer but that there's a lot to be improved. which will probably 
never happen as the unit's out of production and MAM have been bought 
up by Terratec by now. and of course it doesn't measure up to a P3..

> It can do pretty much everything 
> except send patch changes and controllers

> I dunno, being able to send at least one controller per track would 
> add a lot of 'expressiveness' to the pattern.

with the gear i'm using at the moment the P3 is the ideal everything-
sequencer for me. if i could only have double the amount of 
tracks..and guess what should be on the way come 2004...:)

The spec for R3 (dedicated percussion sequencer friend of P3) is still
wide open. 
If there's anything the likes of the MAM SQ16 can do that you'd like to
see in R3, let me know.

I've finally got the new kitchen finished (only three moths later than
expected) so I can get back to some sequencer development work now.
I'm aiming to have a first crack at R3 available for beta testing by the
end of January.

Cheers,
Colin f

The stuck notes bit of the MAM is just on its note tracks, not its rytham (13 rytham, 3 note)

Its simply as if you remove a note whilst its playing, it never sends the note off midi message.

Paul, you mention that youd rather have a desktop style... If your looking a the picture on the site that mentions the stuck notes then it looks like a rack, but it isnt.  Its kinda a shoebox sized desktop.

If you were real fussy, theres so little inside the boxes, providing you could maeasure it accuratly, it would be real easy to remount.

IMHO the sq16s are realy very good for rythams.  Note tracks are a nice option on them, but somewhat awkward to use.  The lack of continious controllers are, as far as im concerned, their only let down.  I like them a lot, as theyre very quick to work arround once youve learnt them.  No more than one level in any menue or anything like that, and plenty of interface.  Ive described them before as not doing much, but what they do do, they do verry well indeed.  But then ive never used any of the real expensive bits that are about...

You can pick up the mams for about £150-£180 now and again.  Ebay is realy normally the only source, and then normally from the continint (europe), although there was one in sound on sound a while back.

I did as Alison did, and bought one pretty much as a shot in the dark in desparation, and was very pleased.  I now have 2.

Julian


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Colin,

> The spec for R3 (dedicated percussion sequencer friend of P3) is still
> wide open.
> If there's anything the likes of the MAM SQ16 can do that you'd like to
> see in R3, let me know.

Selectable 'kit' for each pattern.
Mute/unmute of kit parts (eg, mute snare drum)
at least one CC (ideally more) per part.
16 parts per 'pattern/kit'

> I've finally got the new kitchen finished (only three moths later than
> expected) so I can get back to some sequencer development work now. I'm
> aiming to have a first crack at R3 available for beta testing by the
> end of January.

wohoo!
I want, I want...

Paul (with a case sitting here waiting, even a flight case with a foam cut
ready)

Julian,

> The stuck notes bit of the MAM is just on its note tracks, not its
> rytham (13 rytham, 3 note)

ahhh, ok..

> Its simply as if you remove a note whilst its playing, it never sends
> the note off midi message.

yeah, I fgigured it wouldn't matter from drum patterns, but its a bit
sloppy really.

> Paul, you mention that youd rather have a desktop style... If your
> looking a the picture on the site that mentions the stuck notes then it
> looks like a rack, but it isnt.  Its kinda a shoebox sized desktop.

Ahhh, ok thanks..

> If you were real fussy, theres so little inside the boxes, providing
> you could maeasure it accuratly, it would be real easy to remount.

:-)

> IMHO the sq16s are realy very good for rythams.  Note tracks are a nice
> option on them, but somewhat awkward to use.  The lack of continious
> controllers are, as far as im concerned, their only let down.  I like
> them a lot, as theyre very quick to work arround once youve learnt
> them.  No more than one level in any menue or anything like that, and
> plenty of interface.  Ive described them before as not doing much, but
> what they do do, they do verry well indeed.  But then ive never used
> any of the real expensive bits that are about...

I just want something I can bash drum patterns into, in much the same way
as the P3 but for drums, I don't want anything really fancy, but I would
like the 'delay' parameter on the drum pattern thingy (colin?)

> You can pick up the mams for about £150-£180 now and again.  Ebay is
> realy normally the only source, and then normally from the continint
> (europe), although there was one in sound on sound a while back.

I'll keep an eye out, but a lot depends on what Colin does..

> I did as Alison did, and bought one pretty much as a shot in the dark
> in desparation, and was very pleased.  I now have 2.

:-)
Sounds like a recomendation!

Paul

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, <Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:
> I just want something I can bash drum patterns into, in much the 
same way
> as the P3 but for drums, I don't want anything really fancy, but I 
would
> like the 'delay' parameter on the drum pattern thingy (colin?)
> 
I pretty much agree with everything Julian said :)  Basically if you 
like the TR-606, just imagine one on steroids.

You do get selectable kits for each pattern, also selectable accent 
levels for each pattern, so you're not stuck to 100/127 (or 
whatever) for everything.  Those can all be changed while it's 
playing too.  If you use a delay-style accent you can make it repeat 
that drum sound X times, with Y steps between each "echo", fading 
out, fading in, or in-then-out.  This is actually a way cool 
feature, because if you switch to a pattern with delay-style 
accents, then back to a pattern with "normal" accents any delays 
created in the previous pattern will keep on playing, which can make 
two or three patterns sound like ten different ones.

"Rotate" is the other touted feature.  I usually end up turning it 
on by accident, then creating something cool which i can never 
recreate.  At its very simplest, you can set a single track in the 
pattern to "move up" one step on every loop.  So you might have an 8-
step pattern with a hihat on 1, 4, 7: first loop it's on 1, 4, 7 - 
next loop it's on 2, 5, 8 - next loop it's on 1, 3, 6 etc.  You can 
set when it should loop and also how many steps it should rotate by 
on each loop.  That's just a basic example, but you could also 
say "every 3 steps, advance the data in this track by 2 steps" - 
triggering every 2nd step in that track on every 3rd step in the 
actual sequence.  And you can turn that on and off as you want 
aswell.  It can get very hectic when you apply that to a melody 
track, similar to what i'm guessing the P3 does in random mode, but 
with a little bit more predictability.  You could also use this 
together with the track reset function to make a 6 or 12 step 
sequence play polyrhythms against a regular 4/4.

The interface is the usual 16 step buttons (TR-style) and then a 
whole bunch of extra buttons to set the mode.  For example the "play 
mode" will change the 16 step buttons to be pattern-change 
buttons, "inst/note mode" will change the 16 step buttons to be the 
track mute buttons, "inst step mode" will change the 16 step buttons 
to be the trigger on/off for an instrument in the sequence etc.  
Like Julian said - there's only one "menu" of depth because there's 
a seperate button for each mode.

Colin, the "rotate" stuff might be a bit difficult to do on your R3, 
but i'd definitely take a look at doing interesting things with 
accent.  It saves quite a bit of programming if you want all 
your "accents" to do the same thing, but something a little more 
interesting than just "play louder".  Another thing that might be 
nice is having accent trigger another note altogether, so a really 
loud rim cymbal would create a crash or something.  Granted, i can 
do that sort of thing already on the synth side, but i'd imagine 
people with analog-style or "simple" drum modules would appreciate 
it.  Maybe even crossfading between two layers of drum depending on 
velocity - though again that's something i personally would be more 
inclined to do on the synth side.

Alison

> 
> All I need now is a drum sequencer to match!
> 
> Paul

Paul,
i use Schaltwerk a lot for sequencing drumsounds (but mostly i use
MachineDrum and Xbase09).
This "Zeit"-Machine looks very nice and intresting, will this one ever
be released?
StefanH

Stefan,

> i use Schaltwerk a lot for sequencing drumsounds (but mostly i use
> MachineDrum and Xbase09).

Schaltwerk is a little big for me, and Im not keen on the sounds of the
machine drum (I used to own a VIC20)

> This "Zeit"-Machine looks very nice and intresting, will this one ever
> be released?

yes :-)
Dave is assembling one as I type (unless he's still in bed), he's promised
photos of a fully assembled and working unit very soon..

Paul

Simon,

> I didn't think the Machine Drum used the SID chip, or are you saying
> that it sounds too low-fi? Not sure what the VIC20 reference is about.

to me, it sounded very similar to what you could acheive with the SID chip.
I've not yet played with one, but I will do over the next few days.

Paul

I didn't think the Machine Drum used the SID chip, or are you saying that it sounds too low-fi? Not sure what the VIC20 reference is about.

Thanks,
Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

> > i use Schaltwerk a lot for sequencing drumsounds (but mostly i use<BR>
> > MachineDrum and Xbase09).<BR>
> <BR>
> Schaltwerk is a little big for me, and Im not keen on the sounds of the<BR>
> machine drum (I used to own a VIC20)<BR>

Paul,

Please report back after you have played with it, I'd like to know what you think of it, and how it compares to other drum machines that you might know.

Thanks,
Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

>> I didn't think the Machine Drum used the SID chip, or are you saying
>> that it sounds too low-fi? Not sure what the VIC20 reference is about.

>to me, it sounded very similar to what you could acheive with the SID chip.
>I've not yet played with one, but I will do over the next few days.
>Paul

Simon,

> Please report back after you have played with it, I'd like to know what
you think of it, and how it compares to other drum machines that you might
know.
>

sure will..

Paul

> to me, it sounded very similar to what you could acheive with the 
> SID chip.

the Machinedrum doesn't use a SID chip. Elektron used SID's in their 
SIDstation, but have stopped production because there are no more 
chips available. in fact they have a new (and from what i hear pretty 
impressive) synth coming, the Monomachine, which can do a kind of SID 
emulation, amongst others.

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, <Paul.Maddox@s...> wrote:
> Simon,
> 
> > I didn't think the Machine Drum used the SID chip, or are you 
saying
> > that it sounds too low-fi? Not sure what the VIC20 reference is 
about.
> 
> to me, it sounded very similar to what you could acheive with the 
SID chip.
> I've not yet played with one, but I will do over the next few days.

The Machine Drum offers some really great mangling of drum souds, 
but I wouldn't classify it as sounding like the SID chip.

Hi,

Well I had a play with it, some nice sounds, but I didn't like the
interface.. it seemed a little 'clumsy' to me..
Not sure I'd pay 1300 Euros for it though.

Paul

> Well I had a play with it, some nice sounds, but I didn't like the
> interface.. it seemed a little 'clumsy' to me..
> Not sure I'd pay 1300 Euros for it though.

So...it was better sounding than you expected?

How does the sound compare to other drum machines?

Thanks,
Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

On Saturday 03 January 2004 15:10, Paul Maddox wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well I had a play with it, some nice sounds, but I didn't
> like the interface.. it seemed a little 'clumsy' to me..
> Not sure I'd pay 1300 Euros for it though.

Had a play with it as well. Liked the interface, didn't like 
the sounds (way too digital and thin, no body). Liked the 
interface. Well *never* pay 1300 euros for it. ;)

For some reason I suspect the MD is selling only for its 
interface and nice metal looks...

- Robert

On Saturday 03 January 2004 15:25, Robert van der Kamp 
wrote:
>
> Had a play with it as well. Liked the interface, didn't
> like the sounds (way too digital and thin, no body).
> Liked the interface. Well *never* pay 1300 euros for it.
> ;)

Did I say I liked the interface? ;)

Anyway, try the MD, and then an analog machine, like the 
Jomox Xbase09. You'll understand what I mean then.

- Robert

Simon,

> So...it was better sounding than you expected?
> How does the sound compare to other drum machines?

it sounded ok, it had some sounds that could be had on others, but it had
some others that you couldn't get from anywhere else..
If it was cheaper I'd think about buying one, but I can't justify the cost
on a drum machine, when that gets me most of the way to a Virus C.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Could you post or give us an audio example please. 
thx RM

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...> 
wrote:
> I just had a little change-around in the studio and, instead of 
using
> a small Yamaha keyboard to input notes into the P3, I now use my 
Korg
> Prophecy.
> 
> The really cool thing I tried at first was feeding the note record
> function with the output of the Prophecy's arpeggiator. This is not 
in
> sync or anything so the notes sorta dribble into the P3 creating 
these
> endless little variations as if you were banging them in madly. For 
a

> gig it would be cool as, combined with FTS you could introduce all
> manner of interesting, changing patterns by something as easily as
> leaning on the keyboard and letting the arpeggiator spurt out the
> results....
> 
> Well, I like it... 8-)
> 
> Paul
> ---
> Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
> Email: paul@s... www.softroom.co.uk
>                            www.BogusFocus.com

I just had a little change-around in the studio and, instead of using
a small Yamaha keyboard to input notes into the P3, I now use my Korg
Prophecy.

The really cool thing I tried at first was feeding the note record
function with the output of the Prophecy's arpeggiator. This is not in
sync or anything so the notes sorta dribble into the P3 creating these
endless little variations as if you were banging them in madly. For a
gig it would be cool as, combined with FTS you could introduce all
manner of interesting, changing patterns by something as easily as
leaning on the keyboard and letting the arpeggiator spurt out the
results....

Well, I like it... 8-)

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:35:38 -0000, "ringmod45" <ringmod45@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hi Paul,
>
>Could you post or give us an audio example please. 

I don't know how useful it will be but here goes:

http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/ArpeggiInput.mp3

I am using a simple 16 step sequence that you can hear unaltered at
first. Then I turn on the arpeggiator and you can hear the notes being
overwritten. I frig about with the tempo of the underlying arpeggio
and then also turn on recording of note ties (the Proph's arpeggiator
has a variable gate) - this has the effect of activating portamento on
the synth being used (Oakley Orbital). After that I noodle about for a
bit, as usual...

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

Hi Paul,

Thank you, a very useful tip indeed, could be very useful for drums.

Cheers,
RM




--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@b...> 
wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:35:38 -0000, "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...>
> wrote:
> 
> >Hi Paul,
> >
> >Could you post or give us an audio example please. 
> 
> I don't know how useful it will be but here goes:
> 
> http://www.bogusfocus.com/mp3/ArpeggiInput.mp3
> 
> I am using a simple 16 step sequence that you can hear unaltered at
> first. Then I turn on the arpeggiator and you can hear the notes 
being
> overwritten. I frig about with the tempo of the underlying arpeggio
> and then also turn on recording of note ties (the Proph's 
arpeggiator
> has a variable gate) - this has the effect of activating portamento 
on
> the synth being used (Oakley Orbital). After that I noodle about 
for a

> bit, as usual...
> 
> Paul
> 
> ---
> Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
> Email: paul@s... www.softroom.co.uk
>                            www.BogusFocus.com

> In the new beta, the P3 only seems to record incoming MIDI notes if
> they are on channel 1. I admit I didn't load the previous version that
> introduced the "any" channel so perhaps this happened then?

Will need to test that and get back to you once I've finished tidying my
room :-)
Are the notes being recorded passing thru OK ?
 
> Also had some strangeness earlier where it seems to throw my Oakley
> Orbital into some kind of strange Omni mode. Seems to have settled
> down now though <g>

Ack. Dodgy DIY synths ;-)
 
> Quick question: is the MIDI thru for notes or everything?

MIDI Thru is for everything, but only notes will be recorded.

Later,
Colin f

In the new beta, the P3 only seems to record incoming MIDI notes if
they are on channel 1. I admit I didn't load the previous version that
introduced the "any" channel so perhaps this happened then?

Also had some strangeness earlier where it seems to throw my Oakley
Orbital into some kind of strange Omni mode. Seems to have settled
down now though <g>

Sorry, only a few moments for testing today - more soon I hope

Quick question: is the MIDI thru for notes or everything?

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

Found the bug.
It must have been there for a while - at least since the midi thru 'any'
option was added.
You guys must be asleep ;-)

Basically, it was passing the data thru OK, but when it came to checking
the status byte of each passing message to see if it was a note on or
off, it was comparing the whole byte instead of only the top nybble, so
it was only seeing notes on channel 1.
if (rx_stat == 0x90) should have been if ((rx_stat & 0xF0) == 0x90) for
those of you who know about these things.
Fix is up now, in v3.83 rev 2.

My excuse for not testing this properly is that my only midi keyboard is
a Jupiter 8, which doesn't have a local off, so using it as a master
keyboard is a pain in the blocks.

> Thru seems to work although I kinda thought the Orbital responded to
> Portamento on/off and it clearly wasn't. Might be channel related also
> - had two other beta tests to get into tonight so didn't have long for
> any... 8)

Busy lad.
Anything exciting ?
  
> >Ack. Dodgy DIY synths ;-)
> 
> Tony not subscribed then <g>?

He must be napping too.

Cheers,
Colin f

Colin,

> Found the bug.
> It must have been there for a while - at least since the midi thru
> 'any' option was added.
> You guys must be asleep ;-)

heheh, nah, just not got around to playin with it, Im waiting for the R3
before I do that.

Paul

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:52:58 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>Will need to test that and get back to you once I've finished tidying my
>room :-)
>Are the notes being recorded passing thru OK ?

Thru seems to work although I kinda thought the Orbital responded to
Portamento on/off and it clearly wasn't. Might be channel related also
- had two other beta tests to get into tonight so didn't have long for
any... 8)
 
>Ack. Dodgy DIY synths ;-)

Tony not subscribed then <g>?
 
>> Quick question: is the MIDI thru for notes or everything?
>MIDI Thru is for everything, but only notes will be recorded.

In that case I'll look closer tomorrow....

Paul
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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

> Found the bug.
> It must have been there for a while - at least since the midi      
> thru 'any'
> option was added.
> You guys must be asleep ;-)

i only use the midi-input for sending sysex dumps and sending stuff 
thru from cubase. i haven't used the 'rec'-function yet; who needs a 
keyboard for input when you've got knobs & randomizers? :)

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:33:40 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>My excuse for not testing this properly is that my only midi keyboard is
>a Jupiter 8, which doesn't have a local off, so using it as a master
>keyboard is a pain in the blocks.

Mine is I never needed the 'any' so didn't install that version..

>Busy lad.
>Anything exciting ?

Yes (Wavelab 5) and no (Virus b).

Paul
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Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

> Thru seems to work although I kinda thought the Orbital responded to
Portamento on/off and it clearly wasn't.

The slide on the midiDAC-2 boards is controlled by Port On/off commands.
You should be able to hold it permanently on in this way. Legato playing
will still slide whatever mode the midi control says though.

>>Ack. Dodgy DIY synths ;-)

Yeah, it ought be a crime bringing out that sort of thing. I blame
Trevor of course ;-)

> Yes (Wavelab 5) ....

Groovy. I wonder whether it run on SE at all? It seems most of the CD
burning issues with WL-4 could be fixed if you 'upgraded' to XP.

Regards,

Tony Allgood                         www.oakleysound.co.uk

Oakley Modular Synthesisers      Penrith, Cumbria, England

Paul,

> no (Virus b).


huh?
Thats been out for a while, why not virus XL?

Paul

Paul,

> Cos I don't *have* a Virus XL.

I mean, how can you beta test the Virus B when its been around for a while?

Paul

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:38:39 -0000 (GMT), <Paul.Maddox@synth.Net>
wrote:

>huh?
>Thats been out for a while, why not virus XL?

Cos I don't *have* a Virus XL.

Paul
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Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:31:06 -0000, "Oakley Sound"
<oakley@techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>The slide on the midiDAC-2 boards is controlled by Port On/off commands.
>You should be able to hold it permanently on in this way. Legato playing
>will still slide whatever mode the midi control says though.

Ah, I remembered wrong then. Which is rather typical.

>Groovy. I wonder whether it run on SE at all? It seems most of the CD
>burning issues with WL-4 could be fixed if you 'upgraded' to XP.

Hmm, as a Gina owner, I wish I'd never 'upgraded' to XP. I only did it
for testing Cubase SX (i.e. Nuendo rebadged). Once I found I didn't
like SX and dropped out of testing it, I couldn't be arsed going back
to Win98 - but perhaps I should. The Gina's drivers are very iffy on
XP and unsupported. Won't be getting another Echo card - but I think I
do need a new one.... 

But I digress..

Paul 
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Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com