About the Cirklon - CV/Gate
2010-08-30 by cramseur2000
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2010-08-30 by cramseur2000
IS the CV/Gate going to be a standard item or is it going to be an optional add-on? Is CV/Gate going to be available right from the start, or at a later time? Thanks! Craig
2010-08-30 by Colin Fraser
> IS the CV/Gate going to be a standard item or is it going > to be an optional add-on? > > Is CV/Gate going to be available right from the start, or at > a later time? The CV/gate interfacing has been one of the prime sources of scope-creep that have prolonged Cirklon's development period... The plan up until recently was to include a basic pair of CV/gate outputs as standard. The Cirklon CPU has DACs built-in, so it seemed a waste not to use them. The prototype of that setup left me unconvinced of the value of only 2 channels of CV. One of the biggest advantages of CV/gate is the improvement in timing accuracy compared with MIDI. But with only two channels of CV, you save only 1 or 2ms in latency over serial MIDI. You could tune that out with a timing offset, leaving you no advantage over MIDI and a CV convertor. The next idea I tried was to use the internal DACs in DMA mode to provide a CV multiplex. This provides a low-latency burst of many CV and gate channels, using only a 5 wire connection. Gate/trigger pulse state-changes are synchronised across all channels. The receiving device needs to have a small amount of circuitry to de-multiplex the individual CV/gate signals. I have been using this setup with my 808/909 drum module, that has 23 individual analogue drum sounds. ( http://www.colinfraser.com/tr909/my909.htm ) It gives me independent accent and trigger control for each drum, with *no latency*. The fixed burst period can be tuned out with a fixed offset in the sequencer engine. The timing precision is as good as the internal sequencers on a TR606, 808 or 909. The final option I've been looking at is a board to de-multiplex multiple CV/gate channels internally. This would provide perhaps 16 CV and 8 gate outputs directly from the 25 pin 'analogue bus' socket on the rear panel. Using a standard 25-way D cable, this could be hooked up to a break-out box, or modular break-out panel, to provide lots of outputs where they will be used, rather than having a pile of spaghetti spewing from the rear panel. I am currently laying out a board to do this, with an optional high-precision DAC (built-in is 12-bits). This board will also operate in a multiplex mode, to provide more outputs over fewer wires, with the requirement for remote de-mutiplexing. Once that board is laid out, tested and priced, I will poll those on the pre-order list before deciding whether to make the CV interface standard or optional. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com