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2011-05-24 by weston_underwood
This is possibly a daft question but here goes! I have my synth midi cables running to a motu 128 8 way midi box and some others connected to a 2x2 and another connected to the port on an interface. Is there any way of avoiding the need for plugging and unplugging the whole time into the cirklon and then back into the interfaces for live and logic?
2011-05-24 by Paul Nagle
On 24/05/2011 08:42, weston_underwood wrote: > This is possibly a daft question but here goes! I have my synth midi cables running to a motu 128 8 way midi box and some others connected to a 2x2 and another connected to the port on an interface. Is there any way of avoiding the need for plugging and unplugging the whole time into the cirklon and then back into the interfaces for live and logic? If I have instruments that I want to connect to both my computer and Cirklon, I connect them to my Akai ME80P MIDI patch bay and use that to direct the routing according to need. That way suits me best. These days I have Cirklon and Logic running in sync and if I want to use any of my hardware synths in a Logic song, I just record them as an audio track. Sometimes I make Apple Loops out of my Cirklon patterns too. I *think* one of the testers is using the USB connection to route MIDI into Cirklon then redirect it to connected MIDI instruments. I've been doing it the other way lately, connecting Cirklon's USB to my iPad then playing synths on the iPad via Cirklon's thru. I see from my inbox I was going to formally test using Cirklon as a MIDI input to drive various soft/hard synths in Logic. I really must get more organised and do that, sorry! I'm sure it'll work as I did it months ago but I will pull my finger out this week, John, and report back now I've remembered. -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-05-24 by Colin Fraser
> I *think* one of the testers is using the USB connection to > route MIDI into Cirklon then redirect it to connected MIDI > instruments. Not quite yet... I've upped the number of MIDI ports on the USB connection to 6 to support it, but haven't enabled the thru mode for it yet. It will be done soon, I'll just need to get a sequencer installed on a PC within USB connecting distance of my studio gear to test it out. The idea is that the 6 USB ports will map straight to the 5 hard MIDI ports and CVIO. A PC would then be able to use Cirklon as a 6-port USB MIDI interface. Not that I recommend doing this, obviously. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2011-05-24 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> wrote: > I see from my inbox I was going to formally test using Cirklon as a MIDI > input to drive various soft/hard synths in Logic. I really must get more > organised and do that, sorry! I'm sure it'll work as I did it months ago > but I will pull my finger out this week, John, and report back now I've > remembered. > > -- > Paul Thanks Paul. Guess you'd got a little busy of late. Hope to read a report on this soon. John
2011-05-26 by Paul Nagle
Hi John, I had a quick whizz through connecting hardware synths to my Mac then routing Cirklon's output into it.... > I guess the easiest and most helpful thing would be to see if you can > sequence a hardware synth through Logic, using Cirklon? OK, no problem doing this. Cirklon sends normal MIDI which you route through Logic in the same way as you do your master keyboard. It sequenced my Access Virus fine, just as if I were playing it via a keyboard. >Select a hardware synths track in the arrange, go to it's inspector >setting and see if you can select Cirklon as its "midi input" so as to >sequence it. Oops, I don't know where to select specific MIDI inputs in Inspector, that appears to offer only the output field? Anyway, all live inputs will drive the selected track/instrument unless, I suppose, you start fiddling in the Environment. I'm not a big Logic expert really but if you can tell me where to select the inputs I can try in more detail. I can do this in Cubase as I know Cubase a bit better. Did you mean using the Cirklon's USB output rather than one of its MIDI outputs? OK, did this once I found a USB cable long enough to reach (had to add a hub in the middle). Then I defined an instrument in Cirklon as USB1 MIDI channel 1 and sent notes. Again, works as normal. >Logic to send MTC, Cirklon to receive MTC, to test the sync would also > be helpful too. Will do this next, seem to recall testing this many months ago but will check again. All the best (and hope this helps), Paul On 25/05/2011 02:44, John wrote: > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle<softroom@...> wrote: > >> I see from my inbox I was going to formally test using Cirklon as a MIDI >> input to drive various soft/hard synths in Logic. I really must get more >> organised and do that, sorry! I'm sure it'll work as I did it months ago >> but I will pull my finger out this week, John, and report back now I've >> remembered. >> >> -- >> Paul > > Thanks Paul. Guess you'd got a little busy of late. Hope to read a report on this soon. > > John > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-05-26 by John
Hi Paul, Thanks for looking into this !!.... > I had a quick whizz through connecting hardware synths to my Mac then > routing Cirklon's output into it.... > > > I guess the easiest and most helpful thing would be to see if you can > > sequence a hardware synth through Logic, using Cirklon? > > OK, no problem doing this. Cirklon sends normal MIDI which you route > through Logic in the same way as you do your master keyboard. It > sequenced my Access Virus fine, just as if I were playing it via a keyboard. This should work as long as you continue to keep your Virus track selected. I think im right in saying that if you select another Logic track, then the Virus wont respond. Just the way Logic works..But not really a big deal. > >Select a hardware synths track in the arrange, go to it's inspector > >setting and see if you can select Cirklon as its "midi input" so as to > >sequence it. > > Oops, I don't know where to select specific MIDI inputs in Inspector, > that appears to offer only the output field? Anyway, all live inputs > will drive the selected track/instrument unless, I suppose, you start > fiddling in the Environment. I'm not a big Logic expert really but if > you can tell me where to select the inputs I can try in more detail. I > can do this in Cubase as I know Cubase a bit better. > > Did you mean using the Cirklon's USB output rather than one of its MIDI > outputs? OK, did this once I found a USB cable long enough to reach (had > to add a hub in the middle). Then I defined an instrument in Cirklon as > USB1 MIDI channel 1 and sent notes. Again, works as normal. Yes i meant using Cirklon USB midi. In Logic, on the left hand side you should see a column that lets you select midi ins and outs for your selected track. For example, your ins and out ports on your midi interface would show up here. But ONLY if you've first set up your midi interface ins and outs in the "Apple Audio MIDI setup utility". I've a strong feeling that Cirklon will show up in this utility, and once its configured there, will then show up in Logic as Cirklon in and out USB ports. Paul any chance you could open the "Apple audio midi setup utility", and then plug Cirklon USB into your Mac, and see if Cirklon then appears in the midi setup window please? > >Logic to send MTC, Cirklon to receive MTC, to test the sync would also > > be helpful too. > > Will do this next, seem to recall testing this many months ago but will > check again. Again the document evidence points to this working as it should, but anytime you've a chance to try a real world test would be very helpful Paul. Brilliant!! Thanks for your time and help Paul !! Cheers, John
2011-05-28 by Paul Nagle
On 26/05/2011 16:04, John wrote: > This should work as long as you continue to keep your Virus track selected. I think im right in saying that if you select another Logic track, then the Virus wont respond. Just the way Logic works..But not really a big deal. Aye, I think you can do more sophisticated routing in the environment but I reckon I'd rather eat my own spleen. :) > Yes i meant using Cirklon USB midi. In Logic, on the left hand side you should see a column that lets you select midi ins and outs for your selected track. It does indeed, my apologies. I can see Cirklon 1-4, the four ports currently assigned to its USB. I can select individual ports, all or none to drive the track. On the MTC front, I've tested it with Logic now as master and slave and it works fine. Or it does once you tell Logic to start at 00:00:00 rather than 01:00:00 - thanks to Colin for working out what was going on. It worked fine with Cubase first time, perhaps unsurprisingly. -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-05-28 by Colin f
> On the MTC front, I've tested it with Logic now as master and > slave and it works fine. Or it does once you tell Logic to > start at 00:00:00 rather than 01:00:00 - thanks to Colin for > working out what was going on. It worked fine with Cubase > first time, perhaps unsurprisingly. I reckon eMagic/Apple probably thought the timecode for a song should start at 1 hour in, because it'll take you at least that long to work out your MIDI settings and stuff. The lack of a full frame message at the start of playback is another deviation from (ironically), natural logic. If they ever ban hardware sequencers, it'll be Cubase for me. On ST. Cheers, Colin
2011-05-29 by duncan
>>I reckon eMagic/Apple probably thought the timecode for a song should start at 1 hour in...<< joking aside, anyone who's used final-cut-pro would recognise the start timecode as being the default for video editing in the US. it dates from the days of tape-based video editing; if the timecode started at all zeroes on a tape, you would have the so-called "midnight" problem wherein a VTR or edit controller wouldn't know which way to spool the tape to find.... um... anyway, the corresponding convention amongst UK video editors is 10:00:00:00. it can be changed in the sequence settings of FCP, & probably therefore in logic too. d.
2011-09-17 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> wrote: > On the MTC front, I've tested it with Logic now as master and slave and > it works fine. Or it does once you tell Logic to start at 00:00:00 > rather than 01:00:00 > Paul Just been re-reading this old thread... Paul you were able to use Logic as a slave, with Cirklon as the master. Which version of Logic would this be? If i'm not mistaken Logic can't slave to midi clock since version 7. Not sure about MTC though......? Now running through my mind to use Logic purely as a "multi track recorder". So ideally Logic should be the slave. No longer intending to sequence synths "through" Logic, but to have all synths directly midied/CV'd to Cirklon, with Logic running in slave sync mode (MTC). Cheers, John
2011-09-18 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Ian Mantripp <ianmantripp@...> wrote: > I've tried this but I cannot get Logic to record. > It seems to not be receiving the incoming audio data. I've tried with all the core audio sync mode settings but I've not yet succeeded. > > Ian > I've not actually seen this in action, but with Cirklon as the master, Logic as slave, can you not just record enable the audio tracks you want to record audio to in Logic? Same as you would if using Logic on it's own. So that when you start playback/transport on Cirklon, Logic would then start playback, and recording to the record enabled audio tracks? Incoming audio into Logic would be routed through an audio track, with input monitoring switched to on. John
2011-09-18 by John
Is MMC enabled in Logic? "Midi machine control" transmits remote control of Play, Fast Forward, Rewind, Stop, Pause, and Record functions. John --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Ian Mantripp <ianmantripp@...> wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 18 September 2011 at 00:33, John wrote: > > > Just been re-reading this old thread... > > Paul you were able to use Logic as a slave, with Cirklon as the master. Which version of Logic would this be? If i'm not mistaken Logic can't slave to midi clock since version 7. Not sure about MTC though......? > > > > Now running through my mind to use Logic purely as a "multi track recorder". So ideally Logic should be the slave. No longer intending to sequence synths "through" Logic, but to have all synths directly midied/CV'd to Cirklon, with Logic running in slave sync mode (MTC). > I've tried this but I cannot get Logic to record. > > I'm using Logic Express 9.1.5, slave works using MTC but it is not, for some unknown reason, recording audio. It seems to not be receiving the incoming audio data. I've tried with all the core audio sync mode settings but I've not yet succeeded. > > Ian >
2011-09-18 by Ian Mantripp
On Sunday 18 September 2011 at 00:33, John wrote: > Just been re-reading this old thread... > Paul you were able to use Logic as a slave, with Cirklon as the master. Which version of Logic would this be? If i'm not mistaken Logic can't slave to midi clock since version 7. Not sure about MTC though......? > > Now running through my mind to use Logic purely as a "multi track recorder". So ideally Logic should be the slave. No longer intending to sequence synths "through" Logic, but to have all synths directly midied/CV'd to Cirklon, with Logic running in slave sync mode (MTC). I've tried this but I cannot get Logic to record. I'm using Logic Express 9.1.5, slave works using MTC but it is not, for some unknown reason, recording audio. It seems to not be receiving the incoming audio data. I've tried with all the core audio sync mode settings but I've not yet succeeded. Ian
2011-09-19 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Ian Mantripp <ianmantripp@...> wrote: > Now I have noticed something that could give some indication of what's happening. When I press record in Logic and then play on the Cirklon, I get the usual recording dialog in Logic, but the bar indicator seems to be caught in a loop and never gets past the countdown. > > Anyone have any ideas ? > > Ian > Like this? "When I try to sync Logic as Slave...I can't even get it to work at all. The transport location just seems to jog in place. The last digits in the transport just keeps repeating themselves but no others, and there is no movement of the play head. It's just stuck." https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1250037?start=0&tstart=0 As Colin said It seems to be a problem with Logic where you have to set SMPTE to start at 00:00:00:00. John
2011-09-19 by Ian Mantripp
On Sunday 18 September 2011 at 15:43, John wrote: > Is MMC enabled in Logic? "Midi machine control" transmits remote control of Play, Fast Forward, Rewind, Stop, Pause, and Record functions. ok, so I've just tried again. Setting MMC doesn't change anything. The play and stop works fine. Here's what I have: Logic: In Project settings->Sync->General: - Sync Mode: MTC In Project settings->Sync->Midi: - MMC: Listen to MMC input is enabled Audio Midi Setup: - Device properties: Transmits Midi Time Code is enabled - Device properties: Midi Machine Control is enabled Now I have noticed something that could give some indication of what's happening. When I press record in Logic and then play on the Cirklon, I get the usual recording dialog in Logic, but the bar indicator seems to be caught in a loop and never gets past the countdown. Obviously there is no recording during the countdown so that would explain why I don't get any data in the tracks. Also in Midi monitor I also have noticed a loop, here is a excerpt of the log: 23:54:13.955 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 0 23:54:13.965 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 17 23:54:13.975 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 42 23:54:13.985 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 48 23:54:13.995 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 64 23:54:14.005 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 80 23:54:14.015 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 96 23:54:14.025 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 114 23:54:14.035 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 2 23:54:14.045 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 17 23:54:14.055 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 42 23:54:14.065 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 48 23:54:14.076 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 64 23:54:14.085 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 80 23:54:14.095 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 96 23:54:14.105 From Plug 1 MTC Quarter Frame 114 Remember I'm not trying to record midi notes here, only audio. I'm not sure what the last column (so after "Frame") entitled "Data" is but I'm guessing it's a timecode and every 8 messages, it's returning to the start. Anyone have any ideas ? Ian
2011-09-19 by Colin f
> Anyone have any ideas ? Is Logic set to start from timecode 00:00:00:00 ? That's where Cirklon starts from. Logic will need to have the same idea. I'm told that either 00:01:00:00, or some other time is a 'more standard' starting point for video production. Something to do with a pre-roll not then passing midnight. Cheers, Colin
2011-09-19 by Ian Mantripp
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 at 00:23, Colin f wrote: > Is Logic set to start from timecode 00:00:00:00 ? Mr Fraser, you are an ace :-) However Logic does not set it's tempo to that of the Cirklon. I'm getting clock messages in the midi monitor, so they are leaving ok. oh well that's for another day. Ian
2011-09-19 by Colin f
> However Logic does not set it's tempo to that of the Cirklon. > I'm getting clock messages in the midi monitor, so they are > leaving ok. The idea is to set a MTC slaved device to the same tempo locally. MTC provides a linear time reference, so if both devices fit the same number of beats per the common 'minute', they should stay in sync. Cheers, Colin
2011-09-23 by John
Ian how is the Cirklon + Logic intergration working now? Can I ask if you use an external mixer for your hardware synths, and then route that to Logic + audio interface? I use no external mixer, but have all my synths going into inputs on my audio interface, going through software effects with software through monitoring switched on and mix ITB. I intend to to use Cirklon to directly sequence my hardware, but to still keep my synths routed to my audio interface, with live monitoring on in Logic. Wondering if that's a viable set-up? John --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Ian Mantripp <ianmantripp@...> wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 20 September 2011 at 00:23, Colin f wrote: > > > Is Logic set to start from timecode 00:00:00:00 ? > Mr Fraser, you are an ace :-) > However Logic does not set it's tempo to that of the Cirklon. I'm getting clock messages in the midi monitor, so they are leaving ok. > > oh well that's for another day. > > Ian >
2011-11-07 by John
Ian do you have any further experiences or pointers to share regarding Cirklon + Logic integration please? Anything would helpful, and to whet my appetite :-) Thanks, John --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnplaiduk@...> wrote:
> > Ian how is the Cirklon + Logic intergration working now? > Can I ask if you use an external mixer for your hardware synths, and then route that to Logic + audio interface? > I use no external mixer, but have all my synths going into inputs on my audio interface, going through software effects with software through monitoring switched on and mix ITB. I intend to to use Cirklon to directly sequence my hardware, but to still keep my synths routed to my audio interface, with live monitoring on in Logic. Wondering if that's a viable set-up? > > John > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Ian Mantripp <ianmantripp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 20 September 2011 at 00:23, Colin f wrote: > > > > > Is Logic set to start from timecode 00:00:00:00 ? > > Mr Fraser, you are an ace :-) > > However Logic does not set it's tempo to that of the Cirklon. I'm getting clock messages in the midi monitor, so they are leaving ok. > > > > oh well that's for another day. > > > > Ian > > >
2011-11-07 by weston_underwood
I have logic and a cirklon, as well as a tempest. Everything runs through logic, some effects in board, some out board. Seems to work fine. I've managed to get the cirklon to control the onboard effects using midi learn in logic. I've also managed to get the cirklon to control soft synths in logic although I couldn't get usb midi to work so I gave up, used hardware midi and then the environment to route the various channels to each softsynth. I think you'll enjoy it. After some fairly significant head scratching if you are anything like me! Mike