Analogue-sequencer

on 29-01-2004 13:24, privat_joy at privat_joy@yahoo.de wrote:

> --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, boele <bgerkes@s...> wrote:
> 
>> A6, Evolver, Xbase, Machinedrum, WAVE, Q+, XT, Emu E-5000 ultra, Doepfer
>> A-100.
>> 
>> Boele (VA's slowly disappearing...)
>> 
>> Something Completely Different
>> http://www.synthmusic.info
> 
> Yes, yes, yes, VA's starting also to catch the dust...
> Bought an PerFourmer last December, wait for my Sunsyn and the comming
> Poly Evolver, Spectralis could be also intresting.

That's a cool list you're waiting for :-))

> I think i should sell some of my VA's, but i am not 100% sure.

Don't sell to soon... It's better to not having regrets later.

...you assemble a complete P3, power it up, and it works perfectly 
first time ;-)

Once it's soak tested, this one's bound for Frankfurt.
The units for Herndon and Manchester are in the final assembly stage 
now.

Colin f

Colin,

> ...you assemble a complete P3, power it up, and it works perfectly 
> first time ;-)

hehe, I should hope of all people could manage this!

> Once it's soak tested, this one's bound for Frankfurt.

hehe, in time for march31st?
MusikMesse?

Paul (just teasing)

> > Once it's soak tested, this one's bound for Frankfurt.
> 
> hehe, in time for march31st?
> MusikMesse?

Well, of course !
I've got a stand booked right between Roland and Yamaha.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Wednesday 28 January 2004 21:48, colinfraser_com wrote:
> ...you assemble a complete P3, power it up, and it works
> perfectly first time ;-)

That's because this one doesn't have any underware stuck 
between the boards?

- Robert

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<colin@c...> wrote:
> ...you assemble a complete P3, power it up, and it works perfectly 
> first time ;-)
> 
> Once it's soak tested, this one's bound for Frankfurt.
> The units for Herndon and Manchester are in the final assembly stage 
> now.
> 
> Colin f

Yippihh,
that's me! Nice news, and good to know that this one was working
perfectly from the first time! 
I have so many plans for using P3, still have to wait until P3
recieving to my studio.
Wonder which synth's the other P3-Owners using most? Virus, MW,
Voyager or VSTi's?
Stefan

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:34:41 -0000, "privat_joy" <privat_joy@yahoo.de>
wrote:

>Wonder which synth's the other P3-Owners using most? Virus, MW,
>Voyager or VSTi's?

The entire studio, pretty much, runs off the P3 and my MIDI patch bay
can route its output to most of my synths. 
I tend to mostly use the Vermona PerFourmer, Novation Nova, Monowave,
Orbital, Digisound modular, V-Synth, Electribes. Plus I trigger the
Polymorph, ARP sequencer, SH-101 sequencer and various arpeggiators of
other synths. Live a Triton arpeggiator also gets clock from it so one
day I want to change the Sync output to a pure MIDI clock output, with
no other data.
And, once I get the clock input to my Oberheim Two-Voice tweaked down
to 5V I want to trigger its sequencer also... 8-)

Mayhem rules!

Paul
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          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

Stefan

> Wonder which synth's the other P3-Owners using most? Virus, MW,
> Voyager or VSTi's?

two Chameleons, one running Farenheit (303/303/808/909/mixer/effects) and
one running australis, usually (16 note Poly multimbral VA synth).

I Don't have anything else left (still have a Virus Rack classic but thats
up for sale).
A very minimal setup

Paul

Stefan
> 
> > Wonder which synth's the other P3-Owners using most? Virus, 
MW,
> > Voyager or VSTi's?

An Oakley Modular and only 1 Chameleon, usually running Australis 
or Fahrenheit.

Andy
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hi Stefan,

> Wonder which synth's the other P3-Owners using most? Virus, MW,
> Voyager or VSTi's?

i'm using a Quasimidi 309 (combined with a Doepfer Drehbank) for all 
drums & percussion on 4 P3 tracks, Yamaha TG33 for pads & background 
weirdness, Yamaha A3k sampler for synths & samples and a DIY 303 
clone for that screaming acid. there's a trigger-modded 707 
(permanently in step-write mode) running along for some extra 
percussion (love the clap & ride) which also triggers a DSM-200 
percussion module (seriously low bass). the P3 also triggers my 
Peavey Spectrum filterbank, and there's a small mound of fx that the 
whole setup runs through. i've drastically reduced my studio-setup 
recently; gotten rid of all that annoying no-midi-no-memory analog 
junk..;)

nice to hear most (if not all) P3-users are hardware-users..also nice 
to hear there's still some quasimidians around :)

grtz Chiel

Stefan
> 
Wonder which synth's the other P3-Owners using most? Virus, MW, Voyager or
VSTi's?
> 
A6, Evolver, Xbase, Machinedrum, WAVE, Q+, XT, Emu E-5000 ultra, Doepfer
A-100.

Boele (VA's slowly disappearing...)

Something Completely Different
http://www.synthmusic.info

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, boele <bgerkes@s...> wrote:

> A6, Evolver, Xbase, Machinedrum, WAVE, Q+, XT, Emu E-5000 ultra, Doepfer
> A-100.
> 
> Boele (VA's slowly disappearing...)
> 
> Something Completely Different
> http://www.synthmusic.info

Yes, yes, yes, VA's starting also to catch the dust...
Bought an PerFourmer last December, wait for my Sunsyn and the comming
Poly Evolver, Spectralis could be also intresting. 
I think i should sell some of my VA's, but i am not 100% sure.
Stefan

Cheil,

> nice to hear most (if not all) P3-users are hardware-users..also nice
> to hear there's still some quasimidians around :)

only for the moment ;-)

Paul

I thought it time I knocked up something showing off the versatility
of just a few of the Aux features. Sure you can use them to produce
random notes and velocities and all that malarkey. This example is far
simpler yet constantly shifting and changing in a way I find
fascinating. 

http://deepbass.demon.co.uk:81/Paul/mp3/P3_Stoned24.mp3

Please note that this MP3 features just two monophonic FOUR STEP
sequences. Add a bit of delay, some P3 Aux magic and you just try to
guess how it was done... 8-)

Paul
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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Paul Nagle wrote:

> Please note that this MP3 features just two monophonic FOUR STEP
> sequences. Add a bit of delay, some P3 Aux magic and you just try to
> guess how it was done... 8-)

um, no. :) but it certainly is pretty. it's wonderful to hear something
like that... to hear it evolve and progress while keeping everything
melodically and harmonically related... that's the beauty of the P3, it
allows for *musical* improvisation with a sequencer... how lovely.

here's a question... is there any way of treating rhythms the way note
data is treated? i looked through the aux events list that colin posted,
and there's all kinds of stuff about changing the note and controller
values, but what about things like rhythm and pattern direction? it could
be something simple like changing the direction of a single pattern at a
particular step... or shifting by X number of steps upon getting to a
specific step... you could even have a shift accumulator like the Xpose
accumulators. shifts could be applied to rhythms, note data, controller
data, or whatever...

i don't have a p3 yet, so there may already be ways to do this kind of
thing that i don't know about... are there?

- fred.


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bleep.
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> i looked through the aux events list that colin posted,
> and there's all kinds of stuff about changing the note and controller
> values, but what about things like rhythm and pattern 
> direction? it could
> be something simple like changing the direction of a single 
> pattern at a
> particular step... or shifting by X number of steps upon getting to a
> specific step... you could even have a shift accumulator like 
> the Xpose
> accumulators. shifts could be applied to rhythms, note data, 
> controller
> data, or whatever...

Those sorts of things are on the TBI list.
There are a few extra things in the latest build that aren't public yet.
Next up after those are random and threshold masks.
These events will allow you to mask another event, so the masked event
only takes place with a certain probability, or when an accumulator is
above or below a threshold value. This will add to the ability to have a
pattern gradually modify its behaviour over time.
Setting tbase, direction, tempo and so on, are slated for future aux
events too.
Also on the TBI list is 'aux note' - this will allow additional notes to
be sent on each pattern step, for up to 5 note polyphonic patterns.
Extra notes will be selectable as absolute notes, or relative to the
primary note on the step.
It's just a question of me finding the time to code them, although it's
been pretty quick so far, as I put the effort in at the start to have a
framework that's easily extended.

Cheers,
Colin f

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:25:07 -0600 (CST), blip <bleep@waste.org>
wrote:

>um, no. :) but it certainly is pretty. it's wonderful to hear something
>like that... to hear it evolve and progress while keeping everything
>melodically and harmonically related... that's the beauty of the P3, it
>allows for *musical* improvisation with a sequencer... how lovely.

Something I always wanted and now I have it. Life is good sometimes.

>here's a question... is there any way of treating rhythms the way note
>data is treated? i looked through the aux events list that colin posted,
>and there's all kinds of stuff about changing the note and controller
>values, but what about things like rhythm and pattern direction? it could
>be something simple like changing the direction of a single pattern at a
>particular step... or shifting by X number of steps upon getting to a
>specific step... you could even have a shift accumulator like the Xpose
>accumulators. shifts could be applied to rhythms, note data, controller
>data, or whatever...

Well, it's up to Colin to say what is yet to come but I don't think
anyone will be disappointed with the possibilities once the Aux events
are fully populated. 

>i don't have a p3 yet, so there may already be ways to do this kind of
>thing that i don't know about... are there?

There are ways to grab events from other tracks already. So, for
example, you might have one track with no active steps at all. It
plays but no notes are heard. Then you get clever and tell it to grab
its gates from another track. That other track might have gaps or it
might play in a random direction so that the gates are not grabbed
predictably. Suddenly your track plays but the steps that become
active are determined elsewhere. And believe me this is a very simple
example of what is possible.... 8-)

Paul
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Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

> Next up after those are random and threshold masks.
> These events will allow you to mask another event, so the masked   
> event only takes place with a certain probability, or when an 
> accumulator is above or below a threshold value. This will add to 
> the ability to have a pattern gradually modify its behaviour over 
> time. Setting tbase, direction, tempo and so on, are slated for 
> future aux events too.
> Also on the TBI list is 'aux note' - this will allow additional 
> notes to be sent on each pattern step, for up to 5 note polyphonic 
> patterns. Extra notes will be selectable as absolute notes, or 
> relative to the primary note on the step.

nice demo Paul...absolutely no idea what & how you've done. i just 
spent a few hours playing around with the new 'Events' but to be 
honest i have no idea (yet) as to how these work. i'm getting 
interesting stuff allright but i'm basically flying blind with this 
stuff.
Colin; (or Paul or Paul or anyone else of course) could you maybe 
post some examples of possible uses of available events with 
explanations about what's happening? as a syx-dump would be great of 
course as it would allow me (and other potential users) to get a 
hands-on grasp of events. no hurry on my part though; i'll probably 
not be actually using the events until after next week's gig.
i'm looking forward to the polyphonic thing though. should be good; i 
can imagine a bunch of creative uses for it already..
oh Paul M.; as i was listening to Paul N's demo i realised i hadn't 
listened to your Mr. Zorg's 'hot pink' bit yet....that's some fine 
trippy stuff!! you should've added a warning not to smoke large 
blunts while listening if you're planning to do any driving or heavy-
machine operating afterwards. ;)

grtz Chiel

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Colin f wrote:

> Those sorts of things are on the TBI list.

all this stuff you posted looks *fabulous*. but now i'm all keyed up over
the idea of being able to shift entire patterns (note data and
controllers, all together or individually) back and forth based on aux
events. is that something that's on the TBI list? shift accumulators...
*drooool*

you know, i'd never think of looking for that kind of thing in *any* other
sequencer... i think the P3 is sequencing my brain to grab tracks from
less-traveled trains of thought, heh...

> Also on the TBI list is 'aux note' - this will allow additional notes to
> be sent on each pattern step, for up to 5 note polyphonic patterns.
> Extra notes will be selectable as absolute notes, or relative to the
> primary note on the step.

would this be something that's recordable from a keyboard? meaning you'd
play a chord and the first (or lowest?) note would be put into the note
track, and the other notes would be put into the aux tracks in order of
ascending pitch (C4 would be the note, F4 would be on aux 1, C5 would be
on aux 2, etc...). polyphonic P3.... *drooooooool*

> It's just a question of me finding the time to code them, although it's
> been pretty quick so far, as I put the effort in at the start to have a
> framework that's easily extended.

it's much appreciated. if you lived in the states, i'd throw a "ROM full"
party for you when it happened. :)

better go now before i ruin this keyboard with all the drool.

-fred.

bleep.
out.

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:28:30 -0000, ch.³l <oozi@oozi.demon.nl> wrote:

>nice demo Paul...absolutely no idea what & how you've done. i just 
>spent a few hours playing around with the new 'Events' but to be 
>honest i have no idea (yet) as to how these work. i'm getting 
>interesting stuff allright but i'm basically flying blind with this 
>stuff.

Ah, a voyage of discovery. Lovely.
BTW I have totally warmed to the idea of having Aux events not come
active as soon as you turn the knob. It means, as you know, you can
set all steps to, say, grab notes from track 1 and then activate them
neatly in one go. Nice one - I was dumb to think it'd be no use.

>Colin; (or Paul or Paul or anyone else of course) could you maybe 
>post some examples of possible uses of available events with 
>explanations about what's happening? as a syx-dump would be great of 
>course as it would allow me (and other potential users) to get a 
>hands-on grasp of events. no hurry on my part though; i'll probably 
>not be actually using the events until after next week's gig.

Was thinking of doing something very like this, perhaps once all the
development phase is ended. Might even be good as a sorta mixed mode
CD to give away with actual audio demos plus the sysex data and
perhaps some commentary. Of course knowing me I'll just get wrecked
and gibber my way through any commentary and nobody would be any the
wiser.... 8)

>i'm looking forward to the polyphonic thing though. should be good; i 
>can imagine a bunch of creative uses for it already..

Hehe, me too.

Paul

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Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

> Colin; (or Paul or Paul or anyone else of course) could you maybe 
> post some examples of possible uses of available events with 
> explanations about what's happening?

I'll do a manual section on aux events certainly, but probably not until
I get the list finished and polished a bit.

I suspect the accumulators are probably the least obvious bit.
There are three of these per track - one for note, velocity and aux D.
When a new pattern is selected, or the sequencer restarted, all three
accumulators are set to zero.

Whenever a note message is transmitted, the note accumulator is added to
the note value and the velocity accumulator is added to the velocity
value. When a controller message or aux event is processed for aux D,
the aux D accumulator is added to that value.

There are two events to control each accumulator - one to set a specific
value (abs) and one to add or subtract a certain number (rel).

So for example, create a pattern four notes long, and set them to
different notes.
Then configure aux A as 'xpose rel', and set a value of 12 on step one.
As the pattern plays, each time step one is played, 12 will be added to
the note accumulator.
So the four notes will repeat, but an octave higher each time they
repeat, until the accumulator exceeds 36, and is reset (the reset value
will be user-modifiable shortly).
The 'xpose abs' event sets the accumulator to a specific value, so this
allows you to transpose to a specific value.
This is most fun if there is an element of randomness involved.
For example, if you set up a pattern with one step transposing up an
octave, and another transposing down an octave, then set the direction
to random - all the notes following a transpose up or down will be
affected by the transpose, making the pattern jump about octaves on a
semi-regular basis.

The events for modifying the other accumulators are:
 - offset velo abs
 - offset velo rel
 - offset aux D abs
 - offset aux D rel

This do the same things as the xpose events, but for the other
accumulators.
Try mapping filter cutoff to velocity, then setting every step to add
one to the velocity accumulator.
You'll get a nice rising cutoff that takes 8 bars before it wraps around
on a 16 step pattern.

Fun ;-)

Colin f

> all this stuff you posted looks *fabulous*. but now i'm all 
> keyed up over
> the idea of being able to shift entire patterns (note data and
> controllers, all together or individually) back and forth based on aux
> events. is that something that's on the TBI list? shift 
> accumulators...

It's been discussed, but isn't planned imminently.
It could be *very* difficult to understand what's going on in a pattern
that's shifting it's own position - you could end up getting stuck in
loops and things. Plus I have a suspicion that you'll probably find it
doesn't sound much different to running the pattern in 'random'
direction.

> would this be something that's recordable from a keyboard? 

Aux notes are unlikely to be real-time recordable. Might be possible
somtime, but not high on the list.
Playing things in from a keyboard tends to force me down a particular
route. It was a design goal that P3 should be taking you elsewhere.

Cheers,
Colin f