Analogue systems

hello once more,

i got another email from the re-seller in germany, so i want to
send another message to the group and also to bob, i guess he is
reading the group messages too.

i want to state clearly that i'm really happy with the
integrator system itself and with the service provided by
bob and his re-sellers. i had no intention to be rude or
anything. i just wanted to tell my feelings about the
cables and the old rs15 frame, but this is not really
important anymore, since the new rs15 frame got a re-design
and now features more connectors, no extra cables are
necessary anymore.

best wishes

ingo



--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
<synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> 
> hello again,
> 
> i got an email from the german seller which i asked
> for the cables. they wrote now that the cable price was
> wrong and they cost 10 euros instead of 20 euros.
> looks much more comfortable now.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
> <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > hello peter,
> > 
> > yes, i agree with you in the most points.
> > what i was trying to say is that it is not ok
> > to have only 10 connectors in a frame as big as the rs15.
> > it would be ok if the dual or triple cables were free,
> > just like the standard power cables, but it doesn't look
> > like that. i can't think of a system with only 10 modules
> > in a rs15 frame, so you don't have a clue, you have to use
> > those special cables. i don't care about the money, it is
> > more a question of principle. maybe i'm just too german?
> > 
> > another thing, the dip sockets are cheap, yes. but there
> > are other sockets and connectors available which are
> > much more rigid and they are not much more expensive.
> > from my point of view it doesn't make sense to save money on
> > the connectors. would anybody care if the modules would cost
> > 1 pound more than they do? probably not, but it bothers
> > me when i have to pay 20 euro for a cable with cheap dip sockets,
> > just to be able to connect another module.
> > 
> > anyway, yesterday i felt really pissed about that, today
> > i feel much more relaxed. if i have to pay for the cables,
> > then this will be ok, but i don't think that this will make
> > me a happy customer.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > 
> > ingo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Peter Grenader 
> <peter@b...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Bob really raised the pole for everyone with the new PSU.  Its 
> much 
> > better
> > > mechanically and electrically, but let me just comment briefly 
on 
> > the socket
> > > selection.
> > > 
> > > While some of this is my own conclusion, I think it's fair to 
say 
> > that
> > > Analogue Systems, by virtue of coming after Doepfer, was 
> conforming 
> > to the
> > > Doepfer standards for power requirements, size, jack type, etc. 
> > This was a
> > > supremely intuitive decision on Bob's part as it created a 
cross 
> > platform
> > > which has unquestionably helped his sales.  A brilliant move.
> > > 
> > > But - for obvious reasons, he wanted to avoid using other 
> companies 
> > PSUs if
> > > at all possible.  It only makes sense.  You can easily 
guarantee 
> a 
> > product's
> > > performance if you can control it's operation.  Once a second 
> party 
> > product
> > > is introduced, you then lose a certain amount of control and 
> > therefore, you
> > > can no longer unquestionably guarantee the operation.  I'm not 
> > speaking
> > > about the user side of the faceplate here, that's 200% 
> compatible - 
> > I'm
> > > speaking about it's supply voltage source.  I am also not 
dissing 
> > the
> > > Doepfer PSU.  It's a fine unit, it's just not made by Analogue 
> > Systems and
> > > from a manufacturers standpoint, more of a risk.  The very same 
> > holds true
> > > with Doepfer modules powered by A. Sys supplies.  It will work 
> > fine - but
> > > it's not a controlled situation, that's all.
> > > 
> > > So how to you design in exclusivity?  You use another connector 
> > scheme and
> > > that's what Bob did.  Analogue Solutions was willing to take 
that 
> > risk and
> > > their modules have accommodations for both the Doepfer inline 
and 
> > the A.
> > > Sys's DIP connections.
> > > 
> > > Bob's decision to go with DIP connectors make sense as they are 
a 
> > cost
> > > effective functional alternative to the Doepfer scheme.  You 
just 
> > have to be
> > > careful when connecting them, that's all.  Listen, I've got 
hands 
> > as large
> > > as cricket mallets.  It takes a bit of getting used to, but you 
> do 
> > and it
> > > gets easy at that point. One thing I've noticed that really 
makes
> > > connections easier is if you remove either the top or bottom 
> panel 
> > from the
> > > rack when making multiple connections (like when setting up 
your 
> > system
> > > initially), because it allows you to view things from a 
shallower 
> > angle so
> > > you're not covering up the area you need to see with your hand.
> > > 
> > > With Bob's new power distribution panel things are much better 
> off 
> > because
> > > he included Doepfer style terminations along with his DIP 
sockets 
> > on his new
> > > motherboard.   He also fused the secondary side of the syste 
(not 
> > just the
> > > AC mains, but the DC voltsges as well) so even if ther is a 
> > problem, the
> > > chance of it doing little more than blowing a fuse is distant.
> > > 
> > > just my conjecture here...
> > > 
> > > - P