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Re: From Bob Williams (about the jack quality of AS modules)

2005-01-10 by levka0

I have recently ordered 3.5 mm patch cables from A.Sys. and I can 
recommend them highly. They are well constructed, and are available 
in practical lengths and colours. They compare quite favourable with 
other brands.
They have proven very reliable in my A.Sys., A.Sol., Doepfer, Blacet 
and other (semi-)modular systems, without any issues.

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "sweathog2121" 
<sweathog2121@y...> wrote:
> 
> Maybe this will end doubt about 1/8 (3.5mm) jacks in general.  The 
following is a 
> response to an Email I sent to AS (which is at the bottom of the 
page).  I might also add 
> that Bob responded very quickly (only took about 1 hour to get a 
response I believe):
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Beau
>                  First of all thank you for considering us as an 
option for
> your first modular purchase.
> To give you a brief history of mini jack problems this is what we 
have
> encountered.
> 
> We first started using a cliff socket part number CL13845 which is 
a 5.5
> version of the CL13844 5.0 that Dieter used in his system.If our 
patch cord
> were used there was minimum problems but some users were buying in 
or making
> their own cables with heavy metal jack plugs which put a strain on 
the
> sockets causing the intermittent problems which the A100 was having 
issues
> with.
> I contacted the socket manufacturer Cliff and informed them that we 
were
> experiencing a small but nevertheless, important to our users, 
contact
> problem.
> Cliff sent their senior engineer down to our workshop and he 
identified the
> problem from their manufacturing side and came up with a new socket 
for us
> (still pcb mounted which is what we wanted) and with this and custom
> designed patchcords to fit exactly we have had no problems that we 
are aware
> of.
> There is a British band which you may or may not know about called 
Radiohead
> who tour with 3 x 8000 and an 8500 system plus numerous Apprentice 
and
> Sorceror systems.The only time they have had problems was by their 
own
> admittance when they bought in different patch cords which were 
like fishing
> weights and that obviously was to much ,but when we recommended our 
new
> length patch cords they have had no problems during 2 world tours.I 
believe
> your own U.S.A band Nine Inch Nails are about to tour with our gear 
live as
> well as Sigur Ros from Iceland.
> We informed Dieter of the new socket to be fair to him and not take 
an
> obvious advantage so the A100 should be clear of any problems as 
well as
> long as the correct patch cords are used.
> If you're going to Namm in a few weeks time come to the Big City 
Music booth
> and try for your self.
> I have never heard of low level noise problems on forums or from
> customers,without naming names we have had high praise from top U.K 
London
> based producers, on how quiet are systems are, quietness is 
also  mentioned
> in the review for the system 1 from what I remember.
> If the forum that has this is on a competitors website and it is 
over 3
> years old then it is there as a negative swipe at Doepfer and by 
default
> ours.
> I do not think Dieter would ever condone such negative posts on his 
Yahoo
> Group just as we would not.
> I have seen and played for a very short time a large 
Synthesizer.com system
> in Belgium last month and I was very impressed.I think which ever 
one you
> choose you will not be disappointed.
> You may post this response if you wish which hopefully will allay 
the fears
> of any potential Analogue Systems/Doepfer customers.
> If you ring Roger at Big City Music in L.A he will give you a frank 
overview
> on all modulars as he has vintage and modern and has sold very good 
amounts
> of our systems and modules to satisfied U.S customers.
> The only time you usually find any bad press for most manufacturers 
is when
> modules are swapped around without any thought to power supply 
issues and
> any modifications.
> We have a system here which has been stock from day one and it has 
never
> failed and it a very big!!
> 
>                                    Best Wishes
> 
>                                   Bob Williams
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > To whom it may concern:
> > I am in the ever-so painful time of researching which modular 
synthesizer
> (my first analog synthesizer) I would like to "invest" in.  One of 
the
> primary qualities that the synthesizer I choose must have is long-
term
> durability.  All over your site I have come across the phrase "high 
quality"
> several times, which makes me feel comfortable about buying your 
products.
> However, I was reading through the "FAQ" section of another 
synthesizer
> manufaturer's site (synthesizers.com) and came across the following 
forum
> posting:
> >
> > http://synthesizers.com/doepfervsdotcom.txt
> >
> > The problem that I have is that the writer describes Doepfer's 
jacks as
> less than adequate in terms of long term durability (their use of 
jacks
> soldered directly to the PC boards as opposed to wired to the PC 
Board).
> When I read it initially, it didn't affect my opinion about Analogue
> System's jacks, because I was not aware of what type of jacks AS 
uses.
> However, I was able to check out the back-side of an RS 95 module 
and found
> that the jacks AS uses are soldered directly to the PC Board like 
Doepfer
> does.  I have also read about low level noise issues with AS 
equipment.
> >
> > Anyways, I just wanted to see if you had any information on the 
long-term
> durability of your jacks.  It may seem like I'm nitpicking, (and 
I'm sorry
> for that) but modular analog equipment (especially from England 
with the
> weakening dollar) is quite expensive.  I am basically torn between
> Synthesizers.com's modulars and AS's (main differences being price 
and
> jacks).  For me, the price of AS's equipment is more here in 
America so I'd
> like to be comfortable with paying for a product with in some cases 
more
> options and hopefully with a higher quality standard.    I know 
this email
> has been fairly long and I appreciate your time.  Any information 
would be
> greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Beau
> >

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