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Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

2003-06-03 by Arnauld Michelizza

"Hi Arnauld
              The debate about whether we are going digital is
unfounded.We wanted to make a voltage controlled delay based on the old
Electro Harmonix Memoryman which used the MN3005 B.B.D chip but Moog got
the last decent batch for their Moogerfooger Delay and Modcan got the
remains. We located 230 chips but this would not be worth getting as it
would limit the amount of modules we could make.So we embarked on rs290
and rs390 which you can change the bit size and sample rate(in fact you
can voltage control those parameters amongst many others)so tape echo and
B.B.D can be emulated as well as the higher rate 16 bit settings.With so
many v.c. points on the larger unit and the ability to sample and v.c. the
start and end points plus a host of other features make these modules
unique. Yes the rs320 spring reverb is a useful module but when we had
them in stock nobody wanted them and as they were an Analogue Solutions
board behind one of our panels we had to rely on Tom Carpenter having them
in stock,not the best of situations.
The rs320 was discontinued almost 12 months ago and had no bearing on the
release of rs290 and rs390. I should imagine that rs370 is the module
which might cause die-hard AS users to think we are changing direction but
it is the only digital module we will be embarking on. To explain it think
of it as a six channel midi/cv converter with 4 fully programmable aux.
outs and the six gate outputs can be assigned to gate/trigger/s
trigger.The six c.v. outs will be 1 v/oct. Next add an arpeggiator a
simple one based on the Roland sh101,so far so good nothing to radical.Now
imagine 2 banks of stored harmonics and with v.c you can travel through
the harmonics which are being calculated at a rate of every half a second
but because of the way it swaps between the two you do not hear any
glitches.These wave banks will have traditional wave forms plus factory
and user ones,As the unit is six voice/note and there are 24 generators to
draw upon then you can see you can assign up to 4 generators per
voice/note with the ability to detune them for a fat,animated sound. So
far so good and here is the killer.You can do additive synthesis and
calculate the first 32 harmonics with feedback from the LCD through
addition of sinewaves.You can get some amazing sounds with just the first
16 and of course the unit will have knobs and c.v. sockets so it will be
in the analogue realm as far as control goes. But the major interest comes
when you v.c the first 24 harmonics in real-time mode(you will need the
expander for this)although essentially a mono voice in this mode the
realism will more than make up for it .In fact the Kawai K3 which is
enjoying a mini revival was based on additive oscillator generation plus
analogue subtractive synthesis. In fact because of the six voice midi/c.v.
feature the user can blend rs95 and user waveforms to pack more punch.
This module will be a wolf in wolfs clothing.It will be the nearest thing
we do to a digital voice and we do not intend going any further.I fact the
Ramesys project will be taking up a lot of our time when we start on it
and any new analogue modules,we think are worthwhile pursuing will take
second place. We do not want to bring out say just a band pass filter or a
vca with linear input and another with log input just to enlarge the
module range,with the new rs300 c.v./midi we think our larger 8500 systems
just about cover everything a musician might need. So no, Analogue Systems
will stay true to the name."

Re: Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

2003-06-03 by Giwalo

hey Arnauld
it's great to hear from Bob and what his vision on this isue is
I welcome all the latest modules and don't mind even more in the 
digital domain (or FM, transistor, tube etc)
It's good to see AS sticking out it's neck

I think there might be a lot more to do in the region of physical 
control of the modules and especially the conections between them.
I for example have build for my EMS a rotating system to change the 
route of the modules. It's a fine balance between random connections 
and precise physical control. At the moment I'm making a connection 
board for the AS modules, so to have presets and variations on them 
available in a moments notice (well.... accepting analogue never 
sounds the same)
I think in this field there could be interesting modules/boxes 
developed by AS.
anyway, it keeps me off the street
best
Gi

Re: [analogue_systems] Re: Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

2003-06-04 by Arnauld Michelizza

Hi Giwalo

> it's great to hear from Bob and what his vision on this isue is
> I welcome all the latest modules and don't mind even more in the
> digital domain (or FM, transistor, tube etc)
> It's good to see AS sticking out it's neck

Yes really. Bob Williams does a really good job and he's got a lot of good
ideas. I am waiting with a lot of impatience his new rs370 module.

> I think there might be a lot more to do in the region of physical
> control of the modules and especially the conections between them.
> I for example have build for my EMS a rotating system to change the
> route of the modules. It's a fine balance between random connections
> and precise physical control. At the moment I'm making a connection
> board for the AS modules, so to have presets and variations on them
> available in a moments notice (well.... accepting analogue never
> sounds the same)

What you say makes me thinking about the rs150 (4 channel sequential
switch). Isn't it the same ?

Arnauld

Re: Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

2003-06-04 by d_salteruk

Hi all,

First I can't wait for this module. We (A100 user group) have been 
after a subtractive osc bank for ages and this appears to be so much 
better than a number of sine wave generators obtained by pure 
analogue electronics, so thumbs up.

I personally don't understand peoples hang up's about using digital 
electronics in a modular system, as long as it can interface to the 
rest of the system (CV's & gates etc) what's the problem.

One of the great thing about Reaktor and the Nord is being able to 
take a traditional modular patch and put it through a granular 
module. It opens up a new world in sonic ability.

I'm interested in sound not just analogue technology .

I also congratulate Bob and his team on their working ethic in 
relation to sic "just another filter". Because I mix and match 
manafacturers, it's the new and different I crave.

David

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Arnauld Michelizza <am@z...> 
wrote:
> 
> You can do additive synthesis and
> calculate the first 32 harmonics with feedback from the LCD through
> addition of sinewaves.You can get some amazing sounds with just the 
first 16 and of course the unit will have knobs and c.v. sockets so 
it will be in the analogue realm as far as control goes. But the 
major interest comes when you v.c the first 24 harmonics in real-time 
mode(you will need the expander for this)although essentially a mono 
voice in this mode the realism will more than make up for it .In fact 
the Kawai K3 which is enjoying a mini revival was based on additive 
oscillator generation plus analogue subtractive synthesis. In fact 
because of the six voice midi/c.v. feature the user can blend rs95 
and user waveforms to pack more punch. This module will be a wolf in 
wolfs clothing.It will be the nearest thing we do to a digital voice 
and we do not intend going any further.I fact the Ramesys project 
will be taking up a lot of our time when we start on it and any new 
analogue modules,we think are worthwhile pursuing will take second 
place. We do not want to bring out say just a band pass filter or a 
vca with linear input and another with log input just to enlarge the 
module range.

Re: Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

2003-06-04 by selfoscillate

> One of the great thing about Reaktor and the Nord is being able to 
> take a traditional modular patch and put it through a granular 
> module. It opens up a new world in sonic ability.
> 
> I'm interested in sound not just analogue technology .

hello david,

it's absolutely the same with me.
i love reaktor and use it quite often, sometimes together with my
modular in the same patch. the combination of both is even more
powerful than each on it's own. it's absolutely amazing.

best wishes

ingo

Re: [analogue_systems] Re: Bob Williams about digital vs. analogue

2003-06-04 by Arnauld Michelizza

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, d_salteruk wrote:

> One of the great thing about Reaktor and the Nord is being able to
> take a traditional modular patch and put it through a granular
> module. It opens up a new world in sonic ability.

Yes, I totaly agree with you. Digital give us a lot of possibilities that
classic analogue synth can't give to us :
- granular synthesis
- FM synthesis (impossible with analogue synth to tune an osc to
a precise and stable frequency)
- additive synthesis
etc.

What's cool with hybrid modules is the way we can modulate some parameters
by CV. So, it give us the best of 2 worlds.

Arnauld

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