Analogue systems

hello all
my first message here so I guess a little introduction is apropriate:
I'm an improvising musician from Amsterdam/Holland (trained as a 
pianist) and I work a lot with analogue stuff and personal 
modifications to it. The last years mostly on the EMS Synthi AKS but 
also on a hybrid doepfer/AS (well 90 % AS really). 
I was just looking on the module list on the AS site and saw the 
spring reverb has disapeared. I personaly love the sound of springs
(I have 2 AS spring modules myself, and have attatched other springs)
and I really think there is no digital substitute. 
Digital reverbs etc. can be great, but it's a different 
soundworld/domain altogether I think....
Lately there has been a lot of focus on the digital domain by AS and 
that makes me wonder.
It's called ANALOGUE systems after all....
And I'm a big fan of AS, that's why I'm a bit disapointed an esential 
module like the spring-reverb is gone
What do you people think about this?
best wishes
Giw

hello,

i don't know exactly, but the AS spring reverb's pcb was
identical with the spring reverb from analogue solutions
and i guess, the springs are both the same too.
maybe a copyright issue?

best wishes

self oscillate


--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "Giwalo" <fuhler@e...> wrote:
> hello all
> my first message here so I guess a little introduction is 
apropriate:
> I'm an improvising musician from Amsterdam/Holland (trained as a 
> pianist) and I work a lot with analogue stuff and personal 
> modifications to it. The last years mostly on the EMS Synthi AKS 
but 
> also on a hybrid doepfer/AS (well 90 % AS really). 
> I was just looking on the module list on the AS site and saw the 
> spring reverb has disapeared. I personaly love the sound of springs
> (I have 2 AS spring modules myself, and have attatched other 
springs)
> and I really think there is no digital substitute. 
> Digital reverbs etc. can be great, but it's a different 
> soundworld/domain altogether I think....
> Lately there has been a lot of focus on the digital domain by AS 
and 
> that makes me wonder.
> It's called ANALOGUE systems after all....
> And I'm a big fan of AS, that's why I'm a bit disapointed an 
esential 

> module like the spring-reverb is gone
> What do you people think about this?
> best wishes
> Giw

hi giw,
i don't care if the new AS modules are digital,as long
as they are superb!(like the new harmonic synthesis
module!!!).as for the spring reverb,yes,i would like
AS to build and sell one for the integrator,as i
haven't bought one yet!
in a few words,both analogue and digital modules can
find their places in integrator as long as they're
inspiring...
bakis.


--- Giwalo <fuhler@euronet.nl> wrote:
> hello all
> my first message here so I guess a little
> introduction is apropriate:
> I'm an improvising musician from Amsterdam/Holland
> (trained as a 
> pianist) and I work a lot with analogue stuff and
> personal 
> modifications to it. The last years mostly on the
> EMS Synthi AKS but 
> also on a hybrid doepfer/AS (well 90 % AS really). 
> I was just looking on the module list on the AS site
> and saw the 
> spring reverb has disapeared. I personaly love the
> sound of springs
> (I have 2 AS spring modules myself, and have
> attatched other springs)
> and I really think there is no digital substitute. 
> Digital reverbs etc. can be great, but it's a
> different 
> soundworld/domain altogether I think....
> Lately there has been a lot of focus on the digital
> domain by AS and 
> that makes me wonder.
> It's called ANALOGUE systems after all....
> And I'm a big fan of AS, that's why I'm a bit
> disapointed an esential 
> module like the spring-reverb is gone
> What do you people think about this?
> best wishes
> Giw
> 
> 


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Hi and welcome to the group.

My reply to your first email is a response to your comments about 
digital modules from a company called "Anlogue" Systems.

It would be very easy for Analogue Systems to take the easy route and 
just recycle 30 to 40 year old ideas and designs. Some people would 
still buy them.

In my opinion, analogue synthesis has come of age. It still does some 
things better than anything else, but these days - it is not the only 
way to synthesise. Bob Williams has his head firmly in this century 
and is willing to risk a great deal to try to create new ideas as well 
as re-creating some of the most loved modules/effects from the past. 

In the 80s we had digitally controled analogue synths which allowed 
poliphonic synthesis for mass production (and credible cost). Now we 
have a chance to control digital equipment from an analogue source - 
so the balance has been restored and as far as I can see, this can 
only be for the good of all of us.

This could be a great debating area, does anyone else want to add to 
it?

Regards

Dave.



--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "Giwalo" <fuhler@e...> wrote:
> hello all
> my first message here so I guess a little introduction is 
apropriate:
> I'm an improvising musician from Amsterdam/Holland (trained as a 
> pianist) and I work a lot with analogue stuff and personal 
> modifications to it. The last years mostly on the EMS Synthi AKS but 
> also on a hybrid doepfer/AS (well 90 % AS really). 
> I was just looking on the module list on the AS site and saw the 
> spring reverb has disapeared. I personaly love the sound of springs
> (I have 2 AS spring modules myself, and have attatched other 
springs)
> and I really think there is no digital substitute. 
> Digital reverbs etc. can be great, but it's a different 
> soundworld/domain altogether I think....
> Lately there has been a lot of focus on the digital domain by AS and 
> that makes me wonder.
> It's called ANALOGUE systems after all....
> And I'm a big fan of AS, that's why I'm a bit disapointed an 
esential 

> module like the spring-reverb is gone
> What do you people think about this?
> be

Hello Dave
I mosly agree with you
It's great to have a choice between all kinds of modules, digital and 
analogue, and I am happy with the way AS is making them. The more 
modules the better I think.
But that's exactly my point: taking away a springreverb on the same 
moment the AS 290 apears is not the way to go. At that moment AS 
decides for me what I should use and which is better..... They are 
different modules and should both be available. (I love the acoustic 
feedback on the springs and the option of touching them with your 
hands and thwacking them around)
Let me explain my big enthousiasm for pure analogue sounds:
I am part of a large ensemble of 12 musicians that play electronics in 
some way (powerbooks, analogue synths, amplified objets, proccesed 
acoustic instruments  etc). At some points it's a (large or small) 
band, at some point it's an instalation, shifting back and forth. At 
the extreme loud tutti moments in which all pitches are used and it 
seems there is no more space, the powerbooks cannot pinch through, no 
matter their volume. Only the analogue syths can! That's not just my 
opinion, all musicians and audience agreed on this (talking to people 
afterwards). We did this at a 24 hour concert so we had a great 
oppertunity to compair the sounds and we had lots of time to focus on 
all these colours and different aproaches.
Analogue or digital is not a matter of having your head firmly in this 
century I think. It's providing a choice for all kinds of purposes: 
acoustic, analogue elctronics, digital electronics and whatever the 
future may hold (and I use all available options so am not a purist in 
that sense). In the 22st century it'll still be great to play the 
fiddle I'm sure. 
But to stop producing the Springreverb is like throwing away the baby 
with the bathwater I think.....

I really like this discussion, and I don't think it is a question of 
right and wrong.
It would be nice to hear other opinions on it as

Also in regards to the spring reverb, while  'wet' souns is an important timbral 
modifier, the A Sys reverb was one of the least popular in their stable as far as 
sales.

Let it be known though that Analogue Solutions is still manufacturing their 
spring reverb, in exactly the same footprint as the the discontinued A. Sys 
offering.  Those of you who actually own an Analogue Systems spring reverb 
may be aware of just how simular they were functionally.

uh-hum.


P

Guys,

Without going into details, Analogue Systems' decision to pull the spring
reverb was not something they really planned for - it was sort forced upon
them.



P


Giwalowrote:

Hello Dave
I mosly agree with you
It's great to have a choice between all kinds of modules, digital and
analogue, and I am happy with the way AS is making them. The more
modules the better I think.
But that's exactly my point: taking away a springreverb on the same
moment the AS 290 apears is not the way to go. At that moment AS
decides for me what I should use and which is better..... They are
different modules and should both be available. (I love the acoustic
feedback on the springs and the option of touching them with your
hands and thwacking them around)
Let me explain my big enthousiasm for pure analogue sounds:
I am part of a large ensemble of 12 musicians that play electronics in
some way (powerbooks, analogue synths, amplified objets, proccesed
acoustic instruments  etc). At some points it's a (large or small)
band, at some point it's an instalation, shifting back and forth. At
the extreme loud tutti moments in which all pitches are used and it
seems there is no more space, the powerbooks cannot pinch through, no
matter their volume. Only the analogue syths can! That's not just my
opinion, all musicians and audience agreed on this (talking to people
afterwards). We did this at a 24 hour concert so we had a great
oppertunity to compair the sounds and we had lots of time to focus on
all these colours and different aproaches.
Analogue or digital is not a matter of having your head firmly in this
century I think. It's providing a choice for all kinds of purposes:
acoustic, analogue elctronics, digital electronics and whatever the
future may hold (and I use all available options so am not a purist in
that sense). In the 22st century it'll still be great to play the
fiddle I'm sure. 
But to stop producing the Springreverb is like throwing away the baby
with the bathwater I think.....

I really like this discussion, and I don't think it is a question of
right and wrong.
It would be nice to hear other opinions on it as


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--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Peter Grenader 
<pgrenader@m...> wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> Without going into details, Analogue Systems' decision to pull the 
spring
> reverb was not something they really planned for - it was sort 
forced upon
> them.
> 

Guy, 
So, you like this or not?
ahum
Giw

> [...]
> Lately there has been a lot of focus on the digital domain by AS and
> that makes me wonder.
> It's called ANALOGUE systems after all....

AS makes some digital modules, but they are controled by voltage ! That
makes them very differents from classical digital effect processors.

> And I'm a big fan of AS, that's why I'm a bit disapointed an esential
> module like the spring-reverb is gone
> What do you people think about this?

I have no opinion on this because I do not know why they stop to produce
spring-reverb. Perhaps there were troubles with it ? The second reason is
that I do not know how it sounds. Well, if you have enough time to make a
small demo, it would be easier for us to forge an opinion.

Best wishes,

Arnauld

I made a short demo of the reverb/chorus module and I converted comb
filter demo in mp3. You can find all that stuff in the "Files" section.

Arnauld