Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000) group photo

Yahoo Groups archive

Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 23:16 UTC

Message

RE: [bc2000] Re: NRPN's with SX3

2006-03-31 by Elea

Hi Kmxe

The xml thing is a known bug. For some reason Cubase Sx Generic Remote
commits mistakes when transcribing the script. It'll probably be fixed in
next version.

About your Knob #6, make sure it is really assigned to the controller you
want. If you haven't changed the Learn/Edit/Store/Exit Function buttons,
check manually in the unit if the assignment is really correct. If not,
reset the unit and BC-Edit and see if BC-Edit shows the correct parameters
when reading your unit.

 

Another important thing is: do you have the latest Behringer Midi Drivers
and Firmware. Check the website and make sure you do.

 

The thing you describe about the push encoders happens to mine too. I think
it isn't the unit, I think it's Cubase. And I'll tell you why: When you use
Mackie Control Emulation mode (which I really recommend. After doing
templates and stuff I finally ended using it) it doesn't happen. Mackie
Control Emulation mode uses HUI protocol. When you use the Generic Remote
Mode it happens. I just think the Cubase Generic Remote protocol is not yet
fully implemented and developped. It is very recent too. They'll eventually
fix it.

I've found that the only thing you can do about it is just to wait for it to
stop "dancing around". :-)

Do you use a USB connection? Try using a Midi connection only (S-4 mode) and
see if it happens again. USB connection many times gives errors. I began
having an error from BC-Edit when trying to transfer sysex files. After a
lot of trying and searching I found out that in S-4 mode and Midi connection
only it works fine. So when I want toconfigure the unit I switch to Midi!!

 

Cheers

 

  _____  

De: bc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bc2000@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de kmxe
Enviado el: viernes, 31 de marzo de 2006 13:15
Para: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [Norton AntiSpam] [bc2000] Re: NRPN's with SX3

 

Hi Elea,

this is exactly what was happening. actually i got some help from 
this guy in Canada who has been trying to help me. Eventually he 
sent me a template for SX3 as a basic 8channel mixer control. 
Needless to say it worked. I compared the 2 .xml files in word pad 
and noticed the difference in the flags numbering. when i changed 
my .xml file with these same numbers, it worked. ive been trying to 
find a logical explanation for this, but i guess there is no logic - 
Cubase just screws this part up. Is this a known bug?

anyways, now i have a problem with my push/rotary knob #6 in encoder 
group 1. It doesnt matter what i assign it to it doesnt work. im 
trying to figure out what could be causing it, but the more tests i 
do, the more i think i have a faulty unit.

Another thing, this guy from Canada, set up the 1st 8 push 
button/rotary knobs (encoder group 1) to select the audio track 
(between 1-8). So by pressing the 2nd knob in encoder group 1, Audio 
track 2 is selected. However, it doesnt always work properly. what 
sometimes happens is that i press 1 of these push/rotary knobs (say 
number 3) and sx3 selects audio track 3, but then it would select 
audio track 2, and sometimes bounce back to audio track 3 - this is 
all with 1 press of the push/rotary knob. its almost as if sx3 
receives a message from 1 of the other push/rotary knobs to select a 
different track. i wonder if you could try to set up 1 row of your 
push/rotary knobs to select audio tracks, and see if the same thing 
happens to you. 

i cannot think of why it would jump between selecting tracks.... it 
just doesnt make sense. 

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Elea" <eleavampas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Kmxe
> 
>  
> 
> Cubase SX Generic Remote commits  mistakes when recording the 
assignment
> script (xml file). I don't know if this is your problem but give 
it a try:
> 
> Open the xml file with Notepad.  There are 2 sections: the first 
one begins
> with:
> 
> <ctrltable name="Standard MIDI">
> 
> And finishes with
> 
> </ctrltable>
> 
> It defines the BCR/BCF buttons/faders/knobs and their Midi 
assignment. All
> your NRPN buttons/knobs should look something like this:
> 
> <ctrl><name>Fader
> 
1</name><stat>2</stat><chan>0</chan><addr>900</addr><max>999</max><fl
ags>19<
> /flags></ctrl>
> 
> Underlined is the adress for this controller. This is the adress 
you give
> your button/knob when configuring it in BC-Edit (or manually).
> 
> In bold, you can see what defines NRPN 14bits controllers. Cubase 
SX Generic
> Remote sometimes does not write these correctly to the xml file. 
So if you
> want NRPN 14 bits you need stat set to 2 and flags set to 19. If 
you want
> normal CCs or other standard Midi controller stat needs to be 176 
and flags
> 3.
> 
>  
> 
> Of course this is completely useless if it's not mirrored on your 
unit.
> Let's say you have set the first knob to be a 14 bits encoder in 
Cubase, but
> on your unit it's set to a CC, needless to say things won't work.
> 
> So first decide what your unit is going to be like, program it 
either with
> BC-Edit or manually so that the controllers on your xml file will 
match the
> unit's. Then assign these controllers to Cubase Generic Remote 
either
> entering them or using the function Learn. Check the xml file in 
Notepad.
> Then assign functions in Cubase. This is done in the second 
section of the
> xml file. It begins with 
> 
> <bank name="mybankname">
> 
> And finishes with
> 
> </bank>
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Elea
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> De: bc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bc2000@yahoogroups.com] En 
nombre de kmxe
> Enviado el: jueves, 30 de marzo de 2006 9:35
> Para: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Asunto: [Norton AntiSpam] [bc2000] Re: NRPN's with SX3
> 
>  
> 
> 
> > Are you updated to the latest version of the BCR OS?  Do you 
have 
> Java 1.4 
> > instead of 1.5? (You want Java 1.4)  
> 
> yes & yes
> 
> 
> >Are you sure that you have been 
> > successful in loading the configuration that you designed using 
> BCEdit to 
> > the BCR?  
> 
> im as sure as i can be
> 
> >The only easy way for you to test is to attempt to control some 
> > other program via NRPN's, and see if it doesn't work anywhere..  
> 
> ill see what i can find out
> 
> thanks for your help
> 
> 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "kmxe" <kmxeproductions@>
> > To: <bc2000@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:20 AM
> > Subject: [bc2000] Re: NRPN's with SX3
> > 
> > 
> > > hi eric, thanks for the reply. i already know how to tell 
cubase
> > > what to do via CC's. ive had no probs with this - it's using 
> NRPN's
> > > that i'm having problems with. i had a guy via MSN tell me 
step 
> by
> > > step what he does, and i set it up exactly like my first post -

> for
> > > him it worked, for me it hasn't. i'm wondering if there is a 
way 
> to
> > > prove or disprove that my BCR is faulty. ive read and re-read 
> both
> > > manuals and cannot find anything else that im not doing. as 
per 
> my
> > > post, im already trying to set things up via the generic 
remote.
> > >
> > > do you have any ideas as to what I could be doing wrong? if a 
> person
> > > on the other side of the world set up his system which worked, 
> and
> > > then gave me the exact same settings and it didnt work, i can 
> only
> > > conclude that it's either i have some settings or preferences 
> thats
> > > preventing me making this work, or the unit is faulty. if 
there 
> is a
> > > third possibility - i cant think of it.
> > >
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Bowen" <erik.bowen@> 
wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In SX, open the "Devices" drop down menu, select "Device 
Setup",
> > > then in the
> > >> left portion of this window select "Remote Devices > Generic
> > > Remote".
> > >>
> > >> Then, read the part of the SX help file entitled "The Generic
> > > Remote" to
> > >> learn how to tell Cubase what to do when it receives 
information
> > > on each CC#
> > >> that you want to use to control SX.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> From: "kmxe" <kmxeproductions@>
> > >> To: <bc2000@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:13 AM
> > >> Subject: [bc2000] NRPN's with SX3
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > ive tried and tried for the past week to control SX3 
> parameters
> > > via
> > >> > NRPN's to take advantage of the "14 bit resolution". Now, 
im 
> not
> > >> > very good with MIDI, so im not even sure if im wording 
things
> > >> > correctly. This is the settings ive tried:
> > >> >
> > >> > MIDI Date Type: NRPN
> > >> > Send channel: 1
> > >> > NRPN no.: 1
> > >> >
> > >> > Ctrl Mode: Absolute 14bit (ive tried all the other just in 
> case)
> > >> >
> > >> > in SX3 via the Generic Remote
> > >> >
> > >> > MIDI Input: BCR2000
> > >> >
> > >> > MIDI Status: CTRL NRPN
> > >> > MIDI Channel: 1
> > >> > Address: 1
> > >> > Flags: R,T
> > >> >
> > >> > Since i havent done this before, ive basically taken an 
> educated
> > >> > guess based on me being able to control the parameters via 
> CC's,
> > > and
> > >> > whatever i can find on the net.
> > >> >
> > >> > i need someone to set the record straight for me, im losing 
> sleep
> > >> > over this!!!!!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -- 
> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >> > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release 
Date:
> > > 3/27/2006
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 
> 3/27/2006
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS 
> 
>  
> 
> *      Visit your group "bc2000 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000> "
> on the web.
>   
> *      To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>  bc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> 
>   
> *      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Terms of Service. 
> 
>  
> 
>   _____
>







  _____  

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS 

 

*	 Visit your group "bc2000 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000> "
on the web.
  
*	 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 bc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:bc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> 
  
*	 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Terms of Service. 

 

  _____

Attachments

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.